The game is changing.

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JoAllan said:
Well sure.....that happens no matter what you do.....O heavy....D heavy....both good....both bad.......but “if” you want to try and gain....you probably going to at least try and “join them.”
You really think other coaches are watching these same teams year after year being good......and their thinking.....hey we need to be different than that?

I’m only explaining the “general” switch to more offense......and seemingly not as great defense.

coaches see who is winning. They understand what they used to do......isn’t what’s working right now.

If you look across the country most of the best teams (consistently) now are more offensive minded.....than maybe they used to be.

Also the teams which are testing those teams also seem to be more offensive minded. Many of the “new comers” are also good offensive teams.

Right now “if” you want to keep up you must be more offensive minded. You have to be able to score......or you will probably not be keeping up.......or even gaining on the competition.
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Im not questioning whether coaches across the country should or shouldn't go heavy either way. Obviously you have to score more now to beat the best teams, but your not gonna do that if Bama, Clemson, OSU, UGA, OU (maybe a couple others) continue to out recruit you substantially on that side of the ball every year. They 're still gonna do whatever it is that you re both trying to do better you can.

I don't know who the "other" coaches are refusing to change to the heavy O strategy. Surely its not everyone but the 6 or so teams your champion is coming from every year. If thats the case there are a lot of coaches making the change that are losing 49-23 instead of 35-10.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The rules for pass interference favor the offense and targeting has neutered those bone crushing hits that guys used to have to worry about in the middle of the field.
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Yep. Reminds me of the NBA where they don't allow you to play defense anymore. Bird, Jordan, and Ainge would have fouled out of every game they played in with today's rules.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Football has always been about scoring. I don't understand why everyone thinks the game has "Changed" so much. I will GUARANTEE you that if I can run the ball consistently and STOP the run on defense consistently... against ANY team... I will win MANY many more than I lose. Slinging the ball all over the field will only take you so far. You have to be able to control the clock and game at some point. All these teams that score in the 40's, etc. would have limited opportunities if I can have long sustained drives by RUNNING the football. You can still score a ton with a dominant, run-first, offense.
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What team is having these long sustained drives? i have to respectfully disagree, you used to could win like you mentioned, but not anymore. Ky comes to my mind, yes you can win a few, but not going to win a championship in any conference. The problem is, when you are a one dimensional team, other good teams can stop any one dimensional team, you have to have a balanced attack in todays football imo. This was the problem with Les Miles at Lsu, he didn't change with the game, Saban has changed.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Football has always been about scoring. I don't understand why everyone thinks the game has "Changed" so much. I will GUARANTEE you that if I can run the ball consistently and STOP the run on defense consistently... against ANY team... I will win MANY many more than I lose. Slinging the ball all over the field will only take you so far. You have to be able to control the clock and game at some point. All these teams that score in the 40's, etc. would have limited opportunities if I can have long sustained drives by RUNNING the football. You can still score a ton with a dominant, run-first, offense.
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Because the game has changed.

As stated: of the past 6 National Champions 4 of them scored 42 or more in their championship game. One scored 35 and only one scored less than 35.

here are the winners and their winning scores of the next 6.

2008 Florida 24
2009 Bama 37
2010 Auburn 22
2011 Bama 21
2012 Bama 42
2013 FSU 34

Only 1 of those scored over 40....and 4 of the 6 scored less than 35 points.

The game ebbs and flows, and swings all the time.

It was a running game. It was a pro style QB game, a great D game, a spread game......it’s always changing.......right now it’s more of an offensive game.....at least for the majority of really good teams.
 
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superdave1984 said:
Offense sells tickets and is great for TV ratings. Star players that have the skills to play either offense or defense are opting for offense because it is more flashy. You don't have punishing defense anymore because that gets you a flag.
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The mound was lowered, holding by oline pretty much allowed, shot clock in college, no hand checking in NBA, the eurostep, blatant traveling, player protection in college and pros, you nailed it. Fans wanted offense. They got offense. Saban flat said just a couple of days ago that defense cant compete with current framework of the game. Pruitt must adjust or go done in flames.
 
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The NFL has gone more to scoring and wide open offenses and also more and more are using QB's that can run....Not too many years ago that was a no no in the NFL.

Last night Seattle with Wilson and AZ with Murray put up a combined 1,100 yards of offense.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not questioning whether coaches across the country should or shouldn't go heavy either way. Obviously you have to score more now to beat the best teams, but your not gonna do that if Bama, Clemson, OSU, UGA, OU (maybe a couple others) continue to out recruit you substantially on that side of the ball every year. They 're still gonna do whatever it is that you re both trying to do better you can.

I don't know who the "other" coaches are refusing to change to the heavy O strategy. Surely its not everyone but the 6 or so teams your champion is coming from every year. If thats the case there are a lot of coaches making the change that are losing 49-23 instead of 35-10.
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As stated previously.....yes your going to lose a good majority of the time if/when you have the lesser talent.

However your probably not going to play Bama or Clemson every week. Also most coaches understand.....their not Bama....and their probably not going win a national championship (in said season).

These “other” coaches are changing.....because the game is changing right now. Are they going to “change” and beat Bama.....probably not....but they can try. However they are going to change and beat South Carolina or Maybe Iowa.

Their not going to necessarily “keep up” with Bama.....but they can try to keep up with everyone else.....while improving.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
One of the things that bothers me about this team are it's silly mistakes. That's coaching. You don't see Alabama or Clemson making silly mistakes. They play with intelligence. That's entirely coaching and player development.

People keep saying Pruitt is good at player development. There's simply no real evidence of that at this point in actual games. He's never been anything but an assistant coach and coordinator
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Silly mistakes don't are magnified when your team is losing. When your team is winning conference games 73-7 no one bats an eye at silly mistakes.
 
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supposedly, Chaney presented multiple playbooks to Pruitt in order to offer some options for the offense of things he thought the Vols can run successfully with the current roster and Pruitt shut his OC down.
 
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One thing about mistakes and such.

When your down and trying to learn and gain....you “have” to cut down on the mistakes (if you expect to grow and gain).

Discipline needs to be instilled.....even before gaining more talent.

Sure you need talent, and even “more” talent; however it is imperative that the talent you have and that which is gained is disciplined....from the get go.

Tennessee’s mistakes are certainly more glaring than say Bama’s........that is exactly why Tennessee must keep them to a minimum.
 
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The world has changed.
I see it in the water.
I feel it in the Earth.
I smell it in the air.
Much that once was is lost,
For none now live who remember it.​
J. R. R. Tolkien
 
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JoAllan said:
As stated previously.....yes your going to lose a good majority of the time if/when you have the lesser talent.

However your probably not going to play Bama or Clemson every week. Also most coaches understand.....their not Bama....and their probably not going win a national championship (in said season).

These “other” coaches are changing.....because the game is changing right now. Are they going to “change” and beat Bama.....probably not....but they can try. However they are going to change and beat South Carolina or Maybe Iowa.

Their not going to necessarily “keep up” with Bama.....but they can try to keep up with everyone else.....while improving.
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Yes, that was my original point.

In the NC game last year you had 2 really good teams. Both with exceptional offenses headed into the game. Both averaged well over 40 points a game.
The headline (and not to take anything from LSUs offense, it was as good as Ive seen) was LSUs historic offense.
What many overlooked was LSU's D that nite. It hadn't been great all year but it held Clemson to 25 points. That doesn't sound like much until you factor in Clemson was averaging 44 going in.

The game is higher scoring now and the focus is scoring points. But losing 48-45 today is the same as losing 24 -21 a decade ago.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The world has changed.
I see it in the water.​
I feel it in the Earth.​
I smell it in the air.​
Much that once was is lost,​
For none now live who remember it.​
J. R. R. Tolkien
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Much props.

Fortunately for Vol football, he also said:

"Death is not the end."
A far green country sure does sound nice right about now.

Of course, he also said, "I'm glad we could be together, here at the end of all things."
 
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JoAllan said:
Of the past 6 National Championship winners 4 of them scored 42 or more points (in that game). Only one time did the winner score less than 35 points.

Coaches can easily see what is winning now days.......offense.

If teams like Bama, Clemson, Ohio ST....ect are trying to improve their offense, and playing more of an offensive minded game.......everyone else has to as well......or be left behind.
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Good thing we have a defensive guru at the helm.😉
GBO!!
 
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jeff1vol said:
Football has always been about scoring. I don't understand why everyone thinks the game has "Changed" so much. I will GUARANTEE you that if I can run the ball consistently and STOP the run on defense consistently... against ANY team... I will win MANY many more than I lose. Slinging the ball all over the field will only take you so far. You have to be able to control the clock and game at some point. All these teams that score in the 40's, etc. would have limited opportunities if I can have long sustained drives by RUNNING the football. You can still score a ton with a dominant, run-first, offense.
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You just brought a tear to papa Phil’s eye.
GBO!!
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The world has changed.
I see it in the water.​
I feel it in the Earth.​
I smell it in the air.​
Much that once was is lost,​
For none now live who remember it.​
J. R. R. Tolkien
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You don’t need a license,
to drive a sandwich.
Spongebob Squarepants

GBO!!
 
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golfballs said:
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As great as their OL protected Jones our OL didn’t do much worse. It was by far the best job in pass pro our OL has done all year.

that gives me a lot of hope going forward. If the OL and JG can play like they did against bama we have a real shot to turn this year around
 
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maxorange said:
can't 2020 be an outlier?

I mean....COVID, non-existent spring trainings, players held out of practices, etc.
Surely that has something to do with degraded defenses in 2020.
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This is on the surface the easy response but I don’t think it’s really the reason for this

I think it’s two main reasons:
1) coaches are now putting their best Athletes on offense. For instance I bet most places would have put Alontae Taylor at WR instead of DB. He was a very dynamic prospect with the ball in his hands but now he’s just a DB that has some flashes but also gives up a lot of plays. I think Pruitt needs to catch up with the theory of athlete athletes need the ball in their hands and not on defense thinking.

2) I think the rules governing the RPO game is making playing solid defensive football downright impossible. Rules need to be changed if we want defenses to have a chance

jmo
 
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