The flow of the offense

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Lexvol

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The UT offense improved tremendously this year. There is no doubt about it. The games against better defensive teams were difficult to watch. It seemed like the offense could never get into any kind of rythym.

Ainge had a decent game today, but the numbers lie. He never really got into the flow of the game. This game was a summary of how I have felt about this offense all season. They still look out of sync the majority of the time, but are able to string big plays together (like Coker's run) to compile decent stats.
 
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The play calling was a little....well awful! The offensive staff had all this time come up with this game plan. Don't get me wrong, I think Coach Cut and the rest of the offensive staff is great but last half of the season the game plan and game calling hasnt been very good
 
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The play calling was a little....well awful! The offensive staff had all this time come up with this game plan. Don't get me wrong, I think Coach Cut and the rest of the offensive staff is great but last half of the season the game plan and game calling hasnt been very good

I was disappointed by the game plan as well. Especially the fact that they could not get Meach the ball with some open space. It was also a bit horizontal for my taste. This is a verticle offense.
 
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The UT offense improved tremendously this year. There is no doubt about it. The games against better defensive teams were difficult to watch. It seemed like the offense could never get into any kind of rythym.

Ainge had a decent game today, but the numbers lie. He never really got into the flow of the game. This game was a summary of how I have felt about this offense all season. They still look out of sync the majority of the time, but are able to string big plays together (like Coker's run) to compile decent stats.

UT wouldn't beat anyone playing today scoring 10 pts. I don't blame the defense for this loss. The offense has to do better then 10 pts a game.
 
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I think this is a really interesting post. A couple of years ago when reading about some spring scrimmages I was struck how the analysis some how reflected a kind of dissconnect between plays. In other words each play is looked at for its potential to score with not much concern with the set up. Its a difficult thing to describe and obviously there was some set up in the pass in the fourth to Brown that got us down into the red zone before the fumble. And I know that when I first observed this dimension in what appeared to be a kind of thinking in the program that this was before Cut and was just really an impression. Still it seems likes this is what you are describing. But maybe this has to do with all the check offs which seem to be norm for the offense both at the line and during any pass play. And this seems to have carried over from Sanders to Cut. With a check off there is no commitment to a plan. Still this idea of a series multiple critical decisions with each play is fascinating. Ainge looked like Manning at times today as he was checking through the receivers looking for the play when back in the pocket. But you are right, this seems to minimize the importance of game plan.

The run game did have a bit more than one isolated run by Coker. Foster was getting good numbers and this was heartening even as heart breaking the fumble was. And here shadows of losses to Georgia and Alabama suggest there is something around ball protection in the red zone that is somehow not being taught. Even though the hit today like the hit in Alabama game last year was something. The Penn. St. defense was for real, but I agree the Vols might should have challenged vertically earlier and more often. Go strength against strength. That flubbed reverse definitely lacked flow.

But remember as a friend of mine observed it was an opportunistic Auburn defense that was the difference in their win of Nebraska. I have a good feeling about the Vols moving ahead. Penn St. looked very talented and is one year out of the Orange Bowl. I think the game was much closer than the final score indicated. Still I agree the Vols seemed to lack an edge. I am thinking vaguely however that the problems addressed in this thread revolve around falling away from an emphasis on "body lean" in the running game.
 
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I think this is a really interesting post. A couple of years ago when reading about some spring scrimmages I was struck how the analysis some how reflected a kind of dissconnect between plays. In other words each play is looked at for its potential to score with not much concern with the set up. Its a difficult thing to describe and obviously there was some set up in the pass in the fourth to Brown that got us down into the red zone before the fumble. And I know that when I first observed this dimension in what appeared to be a kind of thinking in the program that this was before Cut and was just really an impression. Still it seems likes this is what you are describing. But maybe this has to do with all the check offs which seem to be norm for the offense both at the line and during any pass play. And this seems to have carried over from Sanders to Cut. With a check off there is no commitment to a plan. Still this idea of a series multiple critical decisions with each play is fascinating. Ainge looked like Manning at times today as he was checking through the receivers looking for the play when back in the pocket. But you are right, this seems to minimize the importance of game plan.

The run game did have a bit more than one isolated run by Coker. Foster was getting good numbers and this was heartening even as heart breaking the fumble was. And here shadows of losses to Georgia and Alabama suggest there is something around ball protection in the red zone that is somehow not being taught. Even though the hit today like the hit in Alabama game last year was something. The Penn. St. defense was for real, but I agree the Vols might should have challenged vertically earlier and more often. Go strength against strength. That flubbed reverse definitely lacked flow.

But remember as a friend of mine observed it was an opportunistic Auburn defense that was the difference in their win of Nebraska. I have a good feeling about the Vols moving ahead. Penn St. looked very talented and is one year out of the Orange Bowl. I think the game was much closer than the final score indicated. Still I agree the Vols seemed to lack an edge. I am thinking vaguely however that the problems addressed in this thread revolve around falling away from an emphasis on "body lean" in the running game.

UT's defense isnt that good this year. PSU scoring 20 thats the most they have scored against a good team. PSU's run defense is good, but their secondary is average. I wasn't real impressed with them. UT doesnt play well in bowl games.
 
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They seemed to play well against Texas A & M a couple of years ago. They played well against Michigan in 2002.
 
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I think this is a really interesting post. A couple of years ago when reading about some spring scrimmages I was struck how the analysis some how reflected a kind of dissconnect between plays. In other words each play is looked at for its potential to score with not much concern with the set up. Its a difficult thing to describe and obviously there was some set up in the pass in the fourth to Brown that got us down into the red zone before the fumble. And I know that when I first observed this dimension in what appeared to be a kind of thinking in the program that this was before Cut and was just really an impression. Still it seems likes this is what you are describing. But maybe this has to do with all the check offs which seem to be norm for the offense both at the line and during any pass play. And this seems to have carried over from Sanders to Cut. With a check off there is no commitment to a plan. Still this idea of a series multiple critical decisions with each play is fascinating. Ainge looked like Manning at times today as he was checking through the receivers looking for the play when back in the pocket. But you are right, this seems to minimize the importance of game plan.

The run game did have a bit more than one isolated run by Coker. Foster was getting good numbers and this was heartening even as heart breaking the fumble was. And here shadows of losses to Georgia and Alabama suggest there is something around ball protection in the red zone that is somehow not being taught. Even though the hit today like the hit in Alabama game last year was something. The Penn. St. defense was for real, but I agree the Vols might should have challenged vertically earlier and more often. Go strength against strength. That flubbed reverse definitely lacked flow.

Very well stated. At times it looks as though they are simply pulling play calls out of a hat rather than game planning. I think that it is a combination of check offs, cognitive limitations with Ainge, and an offensive line that is not that athletic. These all lead to a disjointing that I cannot otherwise explain.
 
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cognitive limitations with Ainge

I think Ainge is showing incredible mental discipline in the way he moves through his progressions. I am serious, it is pure Manning. I am amazed to be able to recognize the influence. You can contrast this with someone like Grossman who came out looking good at the beginning of this year as a gunslinger but in the end because of his lack of method has crashed. The system (the proset with check offs) engenders the disjointed pace, thats all I am saying. The chip away get away with what you can take passing game is nothing new. A. Kelly was the master of this wasn't he? I would love to see a return to an emphasis on the I with a full back the long ball keeping a defense honest. (I think we were doing this til the Memphis game this year to some degree). Still I am sure this dates me.

Offensive schemes will always evolve but perhaps the pro set/spread has run its course. I know this is a simplistic explanation in a complex game but I just long for the day when we could take over a game with the run.
 
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Remember, when Ainge did go deep to Meach and Swain the passes were right on the money even though the defense was tight. I understand though this goes to the point of getting Meach the ball with open space.
 
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UT's defense isnt that good this year. PSU scoring 20 thats the most they have scored against a good team. PSU's run defense is good, but their secondary is average. I wasn't real impressed with them. UT doesnt play well in bowl games.

PSU only scored 1 TD on our defence...other was the 80yd fumble return
 
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I think Ainge is showing incredible mental discipline in the way he moves through his progressions. I am serious, it is pure Manning. I am amazed to be able to recognize the influence. You can contrast this with someone like Grossman who came out looking good at the beginning of this year as a gunslinger but in the end because of his lack of method has crashed. The system (the proset with check offs) engenders the disjointed pace, thats all I am saying. The chip away get away with what you can take passing game is nothing new. A. Kelly was the master of this wasn't he? I would love to see a return to an emphasis on the I with a full back the long ball keeping a defense honest. (I think we were doing this til the Memphis game this year to some degree). Still I am sure this dates me.

Offensive schemes will always evolve but perhaps the pro set/spread has run its course. I know this is a simplistic explanation in a complex game but I just long for the day when we could take over a game with the run.

Ainge is beginning to understand offensive theory, and he rarely stares his target down anymore, but I remained convinced that he does not recognize defenses as quickly as he should, nor does he get through his progressions with the necessary speed.
 
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You may have a better eye for this than I do. It was noticeable at least. Quarterbacks can go far without necessarily cultivating this skill it seems to me. I based my comment on this observation, but I am a slow learner.
 
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They seemed to play well against Texas A & M a couple of years ago. They played well against Michigan in 2002.

...and those opponents were completely outmanned by TENN in those games. Those two bowl games turned out just like they should have.
 
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The UT offense improved tremendously this year. There is no doubt about it. The games against better defensive teams were difficult to watch. It seemed like the offense could never get into any kind of rythym.

Ainge had a decent game today, but the numbers lie. He never really got into the flow of the game. This game was a summary of how I have felt about this offense all season. They still look out of sync the majority of the time, but are able to string big plays together (like Coker's run) to compile decent stats.

i agree lex. every good team we played besides Cal we struggled badly against.
 
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All the reviewed calls, especially of close sideline catches also interrupted flow.
 
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