The fact that Arch Manning is not even visiting UT...

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Not sure why we care. Don’t care about Arch Manning. I am more interested in the QBs we actually are recruiting and Arch isn’t one of them. If he wants to make a name for himself at a different school, Texas makes sense to me. If not then he should follow in his family’s footsteps and go to Ole Miss. Bama doesn’t make sense to me and neither does Georgia.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I would bet that he does take a look at the long road with advice from his two uncles more than the his early steps. Granddad will help provide guidance too. I do admire all those guys and hope they don't let me down by entrusting this generation to Kiffin. Some deal like Texas might be the vehicle to do that. Archie survived Peyton coming our way.
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I'm not sold on Sark's coaching talent but I'm certain the Mannings have a much better take than I do about Arch's fit.

I don't think he'll just go after the money but I also doubt he'll not expect a school's supporters to appreciate his potential.

With Ewers already at TX, someone who doesn't expect to sit too long would almost certainly be sitting longer than they expect.

My picks are: Ole Miss, GA, TX.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Google quickly says Cooper is worth $13M and he's got 3 kids.

While not chump change, $4+M would be Arch's cut. That's hardly a vast fortune and I'd think adding a cool million to that wouldn't go unnoticed.
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Archie and Cooper have real estate holdings worth far more, but whatever.

The point is, while prospects that come from little may make determinations on where they are going to school based on NIL deals, athletes whose families are worth millions are going to make a decision based on where is best suited to set them up to become a first round NFL draft pick, which is worth far more than an NIL deal somewhere.
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
Not sure why we care. Don’t care about Arch Manning. I am more interested in the QBs we actually are recruiting and Arch isn’t one of them. If he wants to make a name for himself at a different school, Texas makes sense to me. If not then he should follow in his family’s footsteps and go to Ole Miss. Bama doesn’t make sense to me and neither does Georgia.
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Agree. Not sure we should be overly concerned about Arch. We are good next year and then Traveon (sp?) for the next 2-3 years. He’s nothing to sneeze at. There is no reason why Arch would have TN on his radar. His dad and grandfather would trump his Uncle and I can’t imagine Peyton is going out of his way to push TN.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Archie and Cooper have real estate holdings worth far more, but whatever.

The point is, while prospects that come from little may make determinations on where they are going to school based on NIL deals, athletes whose families are worth millions are going to make a decision based on where is best suited to set them up to become a first round NFL draft pick, which is worth far more than an NIL deal somewhere.
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I'll trust you if you know the Mannings (not named Eli and Peyton) are loaded with real estate, but nothing I've seen says they're anywhere near as wealthy as the Super Bowl QB Mannings.

I think Arch will see college as prep for Sunday and make his decision like a lot of athletes and look to be successful and coached up. I still think he'll expect NIL money because in this era he should.

I don't think the Ewers family is exactly poor but he ditched his senior year for NIL money (not that I believe that was a good idea) and also joined a packed tOSU QB room (and I know that was a bad idea.) Then again...... his haircut, so his judgement is suspect. 😂😳

I think Arch may surprise us with his choice but I'd be stunned if he didn't choose the SEC, specifically Ole Miss or GA, and perhaps, TX.
 
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I would normally be down about it, but I've learned through the Dooley/Butch Jones and Pruitt eras that being able to develop and utilize talent is much more important than recruiting it.

I believe in Huepel, his system, and the way he is building his program. Bring in the right people that will buy in to program and create the right type of culture. Its very similar to how Barnes stabilized the basketball program. It may take some time for the rest of the nation to catch up what's going on, but eventually the right type of talented players will tale notice and want to be part of what we got going on.

Other teams are trying to buy success, but if you get entitled players in the building before ever playing a snap is a dangerous thing in my opinion. Do it wrong and it will take years to clean up the mess and reputation the program created.
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
The most recent one, is the game where they got whipped in the playoffs like 50 to 7. The other was the first one that was televised by ESPN.
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So he had a rough game. Ended the season as his Dad, Eli, & Peyton did...without a state title. I wouldn't call him a bust based on the semi-finals of the private school division in LA. You may turn out to be right, but the fact he isn't considering UT doesn't make him a bust at 17.
 
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BeardedVol said:
It says nothing at all. Literally nothing.

Archie went to Ole' Miss. Peyton decided on Tennessee ultimately because of Cutcliffe. Eli went to Ole' Miss because Chris Simms chose Texas over UT, and we were never even an option for him.

Arch is going to go to whatever school he thinks gives him the best shot at getting into the NFL, just like every other top recruit.
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Lol we were an option for Simms until his dad talked him out of his commitment
 
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Smokeyone said:
Arch doesn’t fit this system. He isn’t going to a school that doesn’t fit his skills and Josh isn’t going to reinvent the O to accommodate him (he’s not his uncles or grandfather)
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He's more mobile than either of his uncles, more like Archie in that respect.
 
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Nooga said:
Isn’t this exactly what we butchered Butch Jones for? Because he turned Trevor Lawrence away due to offensive system fit? Good lord we are a consistent fan base…
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We aren't "turning him away". He's not interested in coming here. It is what it is. We are looking at some good guys the next couple of years who are interested in coming here though. It'll be alright but don't buy some of these guys who laughably act like we wouldn't be interested in Arch if he was interested in coming here.
 
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Athens TN Vol said:
Is he a pocket guy ?We just lost a decent pocket guy. Some systems require different quarterbacks. I could be wrong I’ve not watched him but you got to go where it works or it will not and they leave. That simplifies
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Bailey left because he sucked, not because he was a pocket guy. Anyway, Arch can run.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
If I were Arch Manning, I wouldn't visit us either.
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If you want to be Arch Manning, I am sure plenty of folks will let you. Then UT can spend a little less on pressure washing to mask the stench some folks leave behind.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Huge difference between Arch and Trevor Lawrence.
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Haven't seen the kid play at all, but I'd have to imagine the pressure of carrying that family name is enormous. Kinda feel sorry for the kid to be perfectly honest. I know college isn't "normal" for most top athletes, but a Manning? Whew. Hope he finds a way to enjoy the years in college despite the spotlights.
 
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Nooga said:
Isn’t this exactly what we butchered Butch Jones for? Because he turned Trevor Lawrence away due to offensive system fit? Good lord we are a consistent fan base…
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Jones was "butchered" for lots of good reasons, including, but hardly limited to, his failure to recruit Lawrence. Lawrence openly sought an opportunity at Tennessee and was ignored. This Manning has shown no such interest. Very different.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Google quickly says Cooper is worth $13M and he's got 3 kids.

While not chump change, $4+M would be Arch's cut. That's hardly a vast fortune and I'd think adding a cool million to that wouldn't go unnoticed.
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Maybe if there was only 1 school offering an NIL deal worth that much. The reality is, the sort of NIL deal Arch is likely to be offered will be very similar among all schools in discussion. You really think a difference in 50k-100k (at best) is all that relevant to someone with the fortune his family has amassed?

Furthermore, Arch Manning is someone that likely transcends local NIL deals. Would not be surprised if he signed some sort of Nike/Addidas/Under Armour deal.
 
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Lurker said:
Jones was "butchered" for lots of good reasons, including, but hardly limited to, his failure to recruit Lawrence. Lawrence openly sought an opportunity at Tennessee and was ignored. This Manning has shown no such interest. Very different.
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This is fiction. He wrote us off early but he wasn’t “ignored”.

The Vols offered him a scholarship before his sophomore season, and Lawrence took multiple recruiting visits to Tennessee during Jones’ tenure. Lawrence committed to Clemson in December 2016 over Georgia, his other finalist.
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Nooga said:
Isn’t this exactly what we butchered Butch Jones for? Because he turned Trevor Lawrence away due to offensive system fit? Good lord we are a consistent fan base…
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Difference is Trevor actually expressed interest in playing here. Also, that narrative about Butch not believing he was a fit never made sense considering he also recruited Ferguson, Dormady, and GMan. How exactly was Lawrence a worse fit for his system than those Qbs? I don't know that I buy that one. Seems like sour grapes.


I don't think Arch has ever really considered UT. Part of that is likely the coaching change and being unfamiliar with Heupel and the current coaching staff. It's hard to make those connections in such a short amount of time. He has likely established connections with all his top schools for several years now.
 
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Lurker said:
Maybe "ignored" was too strong, but it sure didn't look like he was prioritized by the staff at the time.
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Offered him as a sophomore and he made multiple visits before writing us off. Butch created what he didn’t want to sign up for but we didn’t PRIORITIZE Will McBride over him. Justin Fields better meets your description.
 
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