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Let's take a look at what appears to have been at this point the biggest and best hires in college football and see if it tells us anything about wanting immediate closure to Jones.


For now I think these schools all are happy with the process of how they acquired there current football coaches.


Let's start with the obvious,Alabama. They didn't fire Shula until late November and ended hiring Saban after a long wait. Being early to party was far from relavant.

Washington is next. Their coach left them for USC and they were able to hire one of the best coaches in the country in Peterson. They didn't need to be early to the shopping table.

Georgia fans are in love with Smart. Well they didn't fire CMR until late November.


Michigan didn't fire Hoke until early December and got their guy.


Penn state is a great one to look at. There program was in shambles and their coach left them in late December for the NFL but they hired a rock star in
January.

Ohio state hires CUM in late November after having a full season of a an interim.


The only school I think of that fired their coach midseason and the resulting hire ended up being a home run is Clemson. However they ended up hiring Dabo as he was the interim.



So the evidence is clear to me that unless we believe we have DAbo on our staff, which is ridicules to think, there is really no benefit to firing a coach this early in the season. There is no evidence suggesting it is a good thing. In fact if you at places like USC and LSU you will see it is far from.



In closing the timing of butch being fired matters not. The only thing that matters is who is hired and the timing of that doesn't matter either, (see PSU).
 
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Well that may have been true in the past the rules have changed. There’s this thing called an early signing period in December. Meaning the candidates will look at the recruiting class as a whole and who is even thinking ut and if all the top guys are already signed and the few remaining have zero interest in ut then there is a solid chance that coach will say thanks but no thanks because he is being setup to fail year one and that only makes things harder the next few years after.
 
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BruinVol said:
Let's take a look at what appears to have been at this point the biggest and best hires in college football and see if it tells us anything about wanting immediate closure to Jones.


For now I think these schools all are happy with the process of how they acquired there current football coaches.


Let's start with the obvious,Alabama. They didn't fire Shula until late November and ended hiring Saban after a long wait. Being early to party was far from relavant.

Washington is next. Their coach left them for USC and they were able to hire one of the best coaches in the country in Peterson. They didn't need to be early to the shopping table.

Georgia fans are in love with Smart. Well they didn't fire CMR until late November.


Michigan didn't fire Hoke until early December and got their guy.


Penn state is a great one to look at. There program was in shambles and their coach left them in late December for the NFL but they hired a rock star in
January.

Ohio state hires CUM in late November after having a full season of a an interim.


The only school I think of that fired their coach midseason and the resulting hire ended up being a home run is Clemson. However they ended up hiring Dabo as he was the interim.



So the evidence is clear to me that unless we believe we have DAbo on our staff, which is ridicules to think, there is really no benefit to firing a coach this early in the season. There is no evidence suggesting it is a good thing. In fact if you at places like USC and LSU you will see it is far from.



In closing the timing of butch being fired matters not. The only thing that matters is who is hired and the timing of that doesn't matter either, (see PSU).
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Well in my mind it needs to happen now. There will be multiple major openings this season. Quite a few just in the sec. Also I would say the new early signing period this year in recruiting is huge. What are we gaining by waiting, while a school like Florida who is committed to winning fired their coach already and is going to take one big time coach off the board already?
 
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One of the biggest mistakes Tennessee has made in a long time is rushing the search and hiring Dooley, instead of naming and interim coach and thinking it through.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Well that may have been true in the past the rules have changed. There’s this thing called an early signing period in December. Meaning the candidates will look at the recruiting class as a whole and who is even thinking ut and if all the top guys are already signed and the few remaining have zero interest in ut then there is a solid chance that coach will say thanks but no thanks because he is being setup to fail year one and that only makes things harder the next few years after.
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Recruiting is the last thing to matter here. Hire the right guy in January and it doesn't matter. Saban and Franklin prove that.
 
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Bruin, you may be right, but I'm sick of the circus I watch every week. Maybe the interim can motivate our team to at least a bowl appearance. They need the practice if nothing else.
 
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615vols said:
Well in my mind it needs to happen now. There will be multiple major openings this season. Quite a few just in the sec. Also I would say the new early signing period this year in recruiting is huge. What are we gaining by waiting, while a school like Florida who is committed to winning fired their coach already and is going to take one big time coach off the board already?
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Look at Texas and LSU last year and tell me if it matters who has an opening first or not.
 
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BruinVol said:
Let's take a look at what appears to have been at this point the biggest and best hires in college football and see if it tells us anything about wanting immediate closure to Jones.


For now I think these schools all are happy with the process of how they acquired there current football coaches.


Let's start with the obvious,Alabama. They didn't fire Shula until late November and ended hiring Saban after a long wait. Being early to party was far from relavant.

Washington is next. Their coach left them for USC and they were able to hire one of the best coaches in the country in Peterson. They didn't need to be early to the shopping table.

Georgia fans are in love with Smart. Well they didn't fire CMR until late November.


Michigan didn't fire Hoke until early December and got their guy.


Penn state is a great one to look at. There program was in shambles and their coach left them in late December for the NFL but they hired a rock star in
January.

Ohio state hires CUM in late November after having a full season of a an interim.


The only school I think of that fired their coach midseason and the resulting hire ended up being a home run is Clemson. However they ended up hiring Dabo as he was the interim.



So the evidence is clear to me that unless we believe we have DAbo on our staff, which is ridicules to think, there is really no benefit to firing a coach this early in the season. There is no evidence suggesting it is a good thing. In fact if you at places like USC and LSU you will see it is far from.



In closing the timing of butch being fired matters not. The only thing that matters is who is hired and the timing of that doesn't matter either, (see PSU).
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All good points but there is one huge difference between then and now. Thats the early signing period in recruiting. Thats a major hiccup. We need a great coach in place quickly to help the recruiting class out. Guys like Mays seem to be looking elsewhere.

There is little benefit in keeping Butch around. Fire him and get a big time coach in here and everything will likely work out. The longer Butch is retained, the worse its going to get imo. We will keep losing and recruits will look at the way the program is trending.
 
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BruinVol said:
Let's take a look at what appears to have been at this point the biggest and best hires in college football and see if it tells us anything about wanting immediate closure to Jones.


For now I think these schools all are happy with the process of how they acquired there current football coaches.


Let's start with the obvious,Alabama. They didn't fire Shula until late November and ended hiring Saban after a long wait. Being early to party was far from relavant.

Washington is next. Their coach left them for USC and they were able to hire one of the best coaches in the country in Peterson. They didn't need to be early to the shopping table.

Georgia fans are in love with Smart. Well they didn't fire CMR until late November.


Michigan didn't fire Hoke until early December and got their guy.


Penn state is a great one to look at. There program was in shambles and their coach left them in late December for the NFL but they hired a rock star in
January.

Ohio state hires CUM in late November after having a full season of a an interim.


The only school I think of that fired their coach midseason and the resulting hire ended up being a home run is Clemson. However they ended up hiring Dabo as he was the interim.



So the evidence is clear to me that unless we believe we have DAbo on our staff, which is ridicules to think, there is really no benefit to firing a coach this early in the season. There is no evidence suggesting it is a good thing. In fact if you at places like USC and LSU you will see it is far from.



In closing the timing of butch being fired matters not. The only thing that matters is who is hired and the timing of that doesn't matter either, (see PSU).
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This is a great post. Hopefully our ad is thinking this way. Hopefully he is not why the emotional weaklings in the fan base that just want to bear pitchforks and fire someone to appease their feelings.

The firing is not that important. The hiring is Mission critical.
 
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beneVOLence said:
Bruin, you may be right, but I'm sick of the circus I watch every week. Maybe the interim can motivate our team to at least a bowl appearance. They need the practice if nothing else.
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I would agree if they weren't playing hard but I don't think I have seen a team play harder than last night.

We are just a bad team and that isn't going
To change with an interim imo.
 
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BruinVol said:
Look at Texas and LSU last year and tell me if it matters who has an opening first or not.
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It does matter if you're aiming to hire a top notch proven coach. But we will sit on our butts and let Florida get frost or kelly, and we will end up with a dave doeren.
 
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615vols said:
Well in my mind it needs to happen now. There will be multiple major openings this season. Quite a few just in the sec. Also I would say the new early signing period this year in recruiting is huge. What are we gaining by waiting, while a school like Florida who is committed to winning fired their coach already and is going to take one big time coach off the board already?
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Because they won't. Coaches aren't going to bail on their teams midseason. If Florida wants to hire Dan Mullen or Scott Frost, they're going to have to wait a month just like us.
 
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UTRavens said:
Because they won't. Coaches aren't going to bail on their teams midseason. If Florida wants to hire Dan Mullen or Scott Frost, they're going to have to wait a month just like us.
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Florida officially has an opening now and can begin communications and all that good stuff in an official manner. We cannot.
 
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BruinVol said:
Let's take a look at what appears to have been at this point the biggest and best hires in college football and see if it tells us anything about wanting immediate closure to Jones.


For now I think these schools all are happy with the process of how they acquired there current football coaches.


Let's start with the obvious,Alabama. They didn't fire Shula until late November and ended hiring Saban after a long wait. Being early to party was far from relavant.

Washington is next. Their coach left them for USC and they were able to hire one of the best coaches in the country in Peterson. They didn't need to be early to the shopping table.

Georgia fans are in love with Smart. Well they didn't fire CMR until late November.


Michigan didn't fire Hoke until early December and got their guy.


Penn state is a great one to look at. There program was in shambles and their coach left them in late December for the NFL but they hired a rock star in
January.

Ohio state hires CUM in late November after having a full season of a an interim.


The only school I think of that fired their coach midseason and the resulting hire ended up being a home run is Clemson. However they ended up hiring Dabo as he was the interim.



So the evidence is clear to me that unless we believe we have DAbo on our staff, which is ridicules to think, there is really no benefit to firing a coach this early in the season. There is no evidence suggesting it is a good thing. In fact if you at places like USC and LSU you will see it is far from.



In closing the timing of butch being fired matters not. The only thing that matters is who is hired and the timing of that doesn't matter either, (see PSU).
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What makes you think that the AD and Administration the boosters and the Board will not screw this up....We have a track record of hiring the cheapest quick fix we can....and calling it the hire of the century....

More of the Same? I don't know. Fulmer to Kiffin, Kiffin to Dooley, Dooley to Jones.

Jones changes staffs every year???? Why??? Are they leaving or are they gone because they can't handle Jones.
 
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It’s all a moot point, so none of this discussion matters anyway. I wanted him gone a month ago, but he’s not going anywhere until after the Vanderbilt loss. Bruin’s information helps with perspective and little peace of mind if nothing else.
 
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615vols said:
It does matter if you're aiming to hire a top notch proven coach. But we will sit on our butts and let Florida get frost or kelly, and we will end up with a dave doeren.
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Herman was a much hotter name last year than Frost is this year
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
All good points but there is one huge difference between then and now. Thats the early signing period in recruiting. Thats a major hiccup. We need a great coach in place quickly to help the recruiting class out. Guys like Mays seem to be looking elsewhere.

There is little benefit in keeping Butch around. Fire him and get a big time coach in here and everything will likely work out. The longer Butch is retained, the worse its going to get imo. We will keep losing and recruits will look at the way the program is trending.
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This class is going to lose kids no matter when the move comes. Happens everytime a coaching change is made. Think about it...this class committed to this coaching staff. They aren't going to be there. Kids will naturally start looking at their second, third and fourth choices again. Unless it's kelly or Gruden a replacement can't be named until the regular season ends anyway. Gruden is a fantasy. Kelly is a fool to sign with a school now. He will have far more options and far greater bargaining power after the season than right now due to an increase in demand. His agent won't let him do something that stupid. So any coach we would want is employed and won't announce anything while his team is playing so how can any move now do a damned thing to impact this class? On top of that, maybe the kids won't want to play for this new coach. Maybe these kids don't fit what this new coach wants to do? Maybe he has other kids he's been recruiting that he will flip to it? Getting the right coach is far more important than this class.
 
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Everyone needs to chill. We will get our guy. We will have a good class. We will have long and sustained success.
 
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You have to believe the search is already happening behind closed doors let it happen and don’t rush into a bad hire
 
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We may already have our guy, but he or the AD won't announce it until the end of his season at his current school. If that is indeed the case, it will be a month before we hear anything.
 
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