The divide in this country is growing, and is alarming

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lawgator1

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Some recent released data from the Pew Research Center is confirming what us libs on the board have been telling you see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, Republicans and junior TP types: there is serious white flight towards the Republican party, there is a permanent underclass of racial minorities and its getting worse, and what is happening is that the wealthy have coopted government via the Republican party in order to maintain the status quo.

Consider:

1) The median wealth of white households is now 20 times (that's right, TWENTY) the median wealth of black households. And its 18 times that of Hispanic households. These represent the largest gap between types since the government began keeping track of the numbers 25 years ago.

2) The GOP has gained on the Democratic party in terms of raw numbers since Obama took office three years ago. But its all amongst white voters. The GOP had a margin of 2 percent amongst white voters in 2008, is now a whopping 13 percent. Amongst black and Hispanic voters, the numbers have stayed the same. In other words, the ENTIRE gain of the GOP has been amongst white voters.

3) The Democrats had a 7 point edge amongst white voters under age 30 three years ago. That has now shifted to an 11 point GOP edge. Amongst whites earning less than $30,000 a year, the Dems had a 15 point edge, now its the GOP by 4 points.


This data confirms that the right wing hate machine at Fox and the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, and Hannity, have successfully convinced white Americans that blacks and Hispanics are lazy and are trying to live off the productivity of whites. Anyone who does not think that a race conflict is on the horizon is deluding themselves. This whole new GOP approach on tax reform of lowering rates and "broadening the base" is code for lowering taxes on whites, and increasing them on minorities. This despite the fact that the minority community has an incredibly low rate of wealth compared to whites, who, while overall have lost wealth in this economy, have lost it at nowhere near the level of the black and Hispanic communities.

Cut entitlements, increase taxes on the poor. That Republican mantra is all about maintaining these gaps. Thing is, the minority communities continue to grow. It is the changing face of the economy and our culture. If we as a nation want to advance and prosper on the whole, then we need to create opportunities for wealth amongst the minority communities, and fast.

Blaming the underclass for this is pointless. And the GOP unspoken mantra that its the welfare babies taking all of your hard earned cash, is tired and stale.

Time to grow up and smell the bacon here, folks.
 
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could it be that these people recognize that years of liberal policies have held minorities down and believe that reforming these programs will do a better job of equalizing the situation?

Nah - they're racists.

Your opening paragraph (highly divisive) is ironic given the thread topic.
 
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The Democrats had a 7 point edge amongst white voters under age 30 three years ago. That has now shifted to an 11 point GOP edge. Amongst whites earning less than $30,000 a year, the Dems had a 15 point edge, now its the GOP by 4 points.
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This = Major blowout, landslide loss by Obama in 2012
 
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volinbham said:
could it be that these people recognize that years of liberal policies have held minorities down and believe that reforming these programs will do a better job of equalizing the situation?

Nah - they're racists.

Your opening paragraph (highly divisive) is ironic given the thread topic.
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Where is an iota of proof that shifting more taxes away from white families (median wealth $113,000) and to black families (median wealth $6,000), is going to help the black families?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Where is an iota of proof that shifting more taxes away from white families (median wealth $113,000) and to black families (median wealth $6,000), is going to help the black families?
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why pray tell do you think this divide exists? certainly not lack of funding for the poor.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Where is an iota of proof that shifting more taxes away from white families (median wealth $113,000) and to black families (median wealth $6,000), is going to help the black families?
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where have I ever advocated that?

we have steadily grown social programs to help the less fortunate and the situation hasn't improved and may have gotten worse (using your stats). Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe what we've been doing ain't working.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
Hold on I thought ppl who made 50k or less didn't pay taxes
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Everyone pays taxes. Everyone.

Now, they might just be sales taxes, or some other form of point of sale revenue generator. But don't fall for this oversimplistic line that there's a whole class of people who pay absolutely nothing in taxes.

How do you explain the fact that the top hedge fund managers made $25 billion and paid a lower rate in taxes than did their secretaries?
 
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Trickle down economics is obviously working. Glad we're gonna extend the Bush tax cuts. They're obviously leading to job growth and not being hoarded away by the richest 1%.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Everyone pays taxes. Everyone.

Now, they might just be sales taxes, or some other form of point of sale revenue generator. But don't fall for this oversimplistic line that there's a whole class of people who pay absolutely nothing in taxes.

How do you explain the fact that the top hedge fund managers made $25 billion and paid a lower rate in taxes than did their secretaries?
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that's bull****. a guy making $6k a year isn't paying any material sales tax and certainly isn't paying property tax or any other tax the rest of us pay. a hedge fund guy making $25 billion is still paying at least $5 billion in taxes. the only reason it might be a lower % than his secretary is because his secretary is making 6 figures.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Some recent released data from the Pew Research Center is confirming what us libs on the board have been telling you see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, Republicans and junior TP types: there is serious white flight towards the Republican party, there is a permanent underclass of racial minorities and its getting worse, and what is happening is that the wealthy have coopted government via the Republican party in order to maintain the status quo.

Consider:

1) The median wealth of white households is now 20 times (that's right, TWENTY) the median wealth of black households. And its 18 times that of Hispanic households. These represent the largest gap between types since the government began keeping track of the numbers 25 years ago.
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While I feel bad for those affected, this is directly caused by the housing market collapse. They put all their savings into housing and it collapsed and has not come back like the stock market has.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Trickle down economics is obviously working. Glad we're gonna extend the Bush tax cuts. They're obviously leading to job growth and not being hoarded away by the richest 1%.
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please explain specifically how we are taking money from the poor to give it to the rich when we have a progressive tax system. thanks much.
 
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droski said:
why pray tell do you think this divide exists? certainly not lack of funding for the poor.
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Lack of education, lack of opportunity to enter the system of making money off of business interests, whether direct or through stock or asset ownership.

A tax system manipulated to tax the poor and middle class and to encourage the flight of capital overseas, the hiding of income, etc.

I remember a number of years ago living in West Palm and a controversy erupted when several of the wealthiest people in the world, with mansions in Palm Beach, were buying art from the auction houses in New York or London and having it delivered elsewhere in order to avoid sales taxes usually running into the range of a hundred thousand dollars or so.

Imagine that -- a single purchase where the sales tax is almost 20 times the entire wealth of the median black family, avoided.

Do you not see something wrong with that?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Everyone pays taxes. Everyone.

Now, they might just be sales taxes, or some other form of point of sale revenue generator. But don't fall for this oversimplistic line that there's a whole class of people who pay absolutely nothing in taxes.

How do you explain the fact that the top hedge fund managers made $25 billion and paid a lower rate in taxes than did their secretaries?
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I bet those secretaries are doing pretty well for themselves in terms of their retirement portfolios. Unless those evil hedge fund managers treat their secretaries as bad as you treat your paralegals.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Everyone pays taxes. Everyone.

Now, they might just be sales taxes, or some other form of point of sale revenue generator. But don't fall for this oversimplistic line that there's a whole class of people who pay absolutely nothing in taxes.
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are they really paying taxes if they aren't using their own money

PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Trickle down economics is obviously working. Glad we're gonna extend the Bush tax cuts. They're obviously leading to job growth and not being hoarded away by the richest 1%.
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you are keeping more money because of the cuts right? Feel free to send in a check if you are feeling extra generous. Personally I feel the govt has enough of my money
 
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volinbham said:
where have I ever advocated that?

we have steadily grown social programs to help the less fortunate and the situation hasn't improved and may have gotten worse (using your stats). Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe what we've been doing ain't working.
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It doesn't take a sotted clam to figure it out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If we as a nation want to advance and prosper on the whole, then we need to create opportunities for wealth amongst the minority communities, and fast.
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Can you provide some ideas for solutions that would be accepted by minorities?

How can a culture that deemphasizes learning and education be expected to keep up in a world that is moving towards high-tech jobs that require education?

I happened to have the pleasure of meeting and speaking at length with a civil rights leader last week and the discussion was very interesting. His answers probably aren't what you'd anticipate.

Need to quit blaming races, ethnicities, and political parties and start looking at our overall culture, IMO. This is also an American problem and not a white/black/hispanic/Republican/Democrat problem. We all live together so we need to accept that fact.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Trickle down economics is obviously working. Glad we're gonna extend the Bush tax cuts. They're obviously leading to job growth and not being hoarded away by the richest 1%.
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Ahh Yes... Its Bush's Fault

Zero blame on the current POTUS who happens to be so anti-business, that even his own party is scratching their heads
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lack of education, lack of opportunity to enter the system of making money off of business interests, whether direct or through stock or asset ownership.

A tax system manipulated to tax the poor and middle class and to encourage the flight of capital overseas, the hiding of income, etc.

I remember a number of years ago living in West Palm and a controversy erupted when several of the wealthiest people in the world, with mansions in Palm Beach, were buying art from the auction houses in New York or London and having it delivered elsewhere in order to avoid sales taxes usually running into the range of a hundred thousand dollars or so.

Imagine that -- a single purchase where the sales tax is almost 20 times the entire wealth of the median black family, avoided.

Do you not see something wrong with that?
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we have the best higher education system in teh world.

you can't seriously be arguing we have a tax system that taxes the poor?

umm you commit tax fraud in this country and you go to jail. you want me to list all the people on food stamps sellign them for .50 cents on teh dollar to buy drugs? please explain why one is oh so horrible and the other is ok?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lack of education, lack of opportunity to enter the system of making money off of business interests, whether direct or through stock or asset ownership.

A tax system manipulated to tax the poor and middle class and to encourage the flight of capital overseas, the hiding of income, etc.

I remember a number of years ago living in West Palm and a controversy erupted when several of the wealthiest people in the world, with mansions in Palm Beach, were buying art from the auction houses in New York or London and having it delivered elsewhere in order to avoid sales taxes usually running into the range of a hundred thousand dollars or so.

Imagine that -- a single purchase where the sales tax is almost 20 times the entire wealth of the median black family, avoided.

Do you not see something wrong with that?
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kinda like John Kerry keeping his yacht in another state to avoid property taxes - that racist bastage
 
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