The divide in this country is growing, and is alarming

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lawgator1 said:
Many have that point of view and we can debate that. But sjt claiming he opposes government entitlement programs because they keep the black man down and he's all about helping out the black man is just absurd.
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i believe he's complained about the cost. i'd admit i'd have a lot less beef if it was simply keeping just the black man down rather than directly costing me money. racist comment i know.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Many have that point of view and we can debate that. But sjt claiming he opposes government entitlement programs because they keep the black man down and he's all about helping out the black man is just absurd.
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I'm for helping every broke mf'er help himself, more for posterity's sake than anything else. I don't give a crap the ethnicity of the broke mf'er and don't really care the reason. I want the mf'er to figure out a way to become unbroke on his / her own. Almost all wealth in this country can be traced back to some broke mf'er that figured it out. Most broke-ity can be traced back to a bunch of mf'ers who don't have to care enough to figure it out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This is a lie.

You don't care about poor blacks. You don't reject government programs because you think they hurt the poor.

You do it because you resent the black poor people.
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Nope. Sorry. It is the absolute truth. I don't think gov't programs hurt the poor. I have witnessed it up close and personal... over and over and over again. Black, white, red... it is all the same.

You could not possibly be more wrong.
 
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droski said:
i believe he's complained about the cost. i'd admit i'd have a lot less beef if it was simply keeping just the black man down rather than directly costing me money. racist comment i know.
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I 100 pct believe that for you it is a matter purely of cost. I even think cost is a major factor to sit.

But his claim that he opposes the programs because they hurt black people is a farce.
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lawgator1 said:
Many have that point of view and we can debate that. But sjt claiming he opposes government entitlement programs because they keep the black man down and he's all about helping out the black man is just absurd.
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I oppose them for many reasons... the fact that they hurt those they are intended to help is just one of them. It is only absurd because you are blinded by a worldview detached from reality.
 
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droski said:
i believe he's complained about the cost. i'd admit i'd have a lot less beef if it was simply keeping just the black man down rather than directly costing me money. racist comment i know.
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I would have a lot more beef if that was the expressed intent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I 100 pct believe that for you it is a matter purely of cost. I even think cost is a major factor to sit.

But his claim that he opposes the programs because they hurt black people is a farce.
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No. It simply isn't. But keep saying it and proving what I stated earlier concerning your habit of ignorantly assigning... or maybe transferring... motives to other people.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. It simply isn't. But keep saying it and proving what I stated earlier concerning your habit of ignorantly assigning... or maybe transferring... motives to other people.
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Your efforts to deflect are pathetically transparent.
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lawgator1 said:
Your efforts to deflect are pathetically transparent.
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What do you think I am trying to deflect? I have answered every error I have noticed on your part concerning this directly.

I have absolutely nothing but good will and hope for people regardless of their color. I know that to accept this you would have to take a really hard look at your worldview... and that you are more than likely unwilling to do so. But it is nonetheless true.

You can say and believe whatever lie you find convenient I suppose. You are free to be as willfully ignorant as you want. But I really don't judge people by the color of their skin. I really do want the best for my neighbor regardless of their race.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I 100 pct believe that for you it is a matter purely of cost. I even think cost is a major factor to sit.

But his claim that he opposes the programs because they hurt black people is a farce.
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Why do you keep it race related? The numbers provided by Droski show that there are far more whites than blacks in poverty. Even if you didn't agree with SJ that many of these programs actually hurt the "poor" as much as (or more) than help them in the long run there are still more whites that fit that description than blacks. (or any other single ethnicity) Unless he is singling out blacks then, by numbers, he is talking more about poor whites than any other group.

The person with the biggest hangup about blacks would appear to be you.
 
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LG, how do you know sjt's comments concerning it keeping black people down is a farce? I know many conservatives who genuinely care for African Americans as a group and their situation in this country, and honestly believe those policies are part of the problem.

I don't think you can know his mind for sure.
 
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fact is the democrats need to keep the black population down so they keep voting for the dems who they think are on their side.

if the entire black population suddenly started making as much or more the medium average the democrat party would be dead.

it's sick.
 
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I would argue that someone who proposes to give able bodied people entitlements, thus destroying their character and work ethic is the true racist deep down. I have always believed that as truth.
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Just anecdotal evidence but I know now more than several people that either were or are unemployed so long that it seriously impacted their drive, motivation and self-esteem. None would be people I would call freeloaders but all to some extent were on the pathway to dependency.

It's enough for me to seriously question just how destructive the entitlement culture can be.
 
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Instead of comparing just wealth, it might be interesting to compare income over a similar period of time.

Median Income.jpg

Somewhat interesting that blacks actually saw the largest percentage increase in income. My best guess is that if they would look at the same data by income first, and then race, then you wouldn't see nearly as large of a difference between the races relative to changes in wealth. In other words, I would think those with lower incomes were probably impacted more in terms of net worth than those with higher incomes... regardless of race. jmo.


edit: I calculated percentages based on the year 2000.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Instead of comparing just wealth, it might be interesting to compare income over a similar period of time.

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Somewhat interesting that blacks actually saw the largest percentage increase in income. My best guess is that if they would look at the same data by income first, and then race, then you wouldn't see nearly as large of a difference between the races relative to changes in wealth. In other words, I would think those with lower incomes were probably impacted more in terms of net worth than those with higher incomes... regardless of race. jmo.


edit: I calculated percentages based on the year 2000.
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Asians in the house say "Hey"
 
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volinbham said:
Just anecdotal evidence but I know now more than several people that either were or are unemployed so long that it seriously impacted their drive, motivation and self-esteem. None would be people I would call freeloaders but all to some extent were on the pathway to dependency.

It's enough for me to seriously question just how destructive the entitlement culture can be.
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Interesting thought. I struggle with this issue. I like the idea of a safety net in our society, but I can definitely see that it can often act as a demotivator.
 
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IPorange said:
Interesting thought. I struggle with this issue. I like the idea of a safety net in our society, but I can definitely see that it can often act as a demotivator.
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Definitely need a safety net - I'd never argue otherwise.

The last guy I talked with was quite clear that his unemployment was jacking with his head and self-worth.
 
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volinbham said:
Definitely need a safety net - I'd never argue otherwise.

The last guy I talked with was quite clear that his unemployment was jacking with his head and self-worth.
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I can definitely see that. It's happening with young people now. They get out of college and there's nothing there for them - going back to Applebee's is their best option...that would make me sad.
 
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I am sure that some people go through this demotivation experience, but I doubt very seriously that it's public assistance that caused this widening gap between the median net worths of whites versus blacks and Hispanics.

Returning to my original post and the simple fact of the divide, I think the question is what can be done about it. I can't see how increasing taxes on the poor is the answer. Maybe it's too much for my pea brain to comprehend, but how taking more of their meager income is a solution is beyond me.

Would think we are better off with more education, perhaps some concerted effort at bringing some industry to blighted areas where decent paying jobs can over the long term improve their chances.
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KiffinKiller said:
I can definitely see that. It's happening with young people now. They get out of college and there's nothing there for them - going back to Applebee's is their best option...that would make me sad.
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then they shouldn't get an Art History or Psych degree and expect to have jobs waiting. So many people getting out with worthless degrees that don't help for anything but entry-level/trainee jobs and they feel above that

FTR I made more in a restaurant than I did in my first year of working out of college. I knew it would pay off so I stuck it out. Not sure many want to do that anymore
 
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