The DeSantis containment thread -- all things DeSantis go here

[ClearwaterVol]

Ask Merick Garland. He is investigating parents as terrorists for daring speak in opposition to CRT at school board Meetings. Then get back to me

If true it is bs. See how easy it is to maintain a consistent viewpoint? I would assume based upon your support of DeSantis you also support Garland.

 

[OrangeTsar]

He's creating an issue. It is political hackery at it's finest.

I see where you are coming from; but I would clarify slightly. He is IDENTIFYING an issue (it was already making differences in Virginia) and decided to adopt and magnify it. If you call identifying an issue that motivates voters and exploiting it, then please identify ANY politician who isn’t also practicing „hackers“
That’s how elections work

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I see where you are coming from; but I would clarify slightly. He is IDENTIFYING an issue (it was already making differences in Virginia) and decided to adopt and magnify it. If you call identifying an issue that motivates voters and exploiting it, then please identify ANY politician who isn’t also practicing „hackers“
That’s how elections work

And that is the problem with politics. He hasn't identified a PROBLEM. He's created a boogeyman and exploited that for political gain. He could be solving real problems instead he's busy creating issues and demonizing the opposing side.

 

[OrangeTsar]

If true it is bs. See how easy it is to maintain a consistent viewpoint? I would assume based upon your support of DeSantis you also support Garland.

You poor poor deluded soul
You do realize don’t you That the DOJ and attorney General Are required to be apolitical and independent of the executive right? The governor is an explicity political office. And he is going after Disney using the LEGISLATIVE process, which is exactly the way it works. You may find it unsavory, maybe even see it as unethical, but that is the way the political world has ALWAYS functioned

 

[OrangeTsar]

And that is the problem with politics. He hasn't identified a PROBLEM. He's created a boogeyman and exploited that for political gain. He could be solving real problems instead he's busy creating issues and demonizing the opposing side.

„Created“ a boogeyman? oh yeah. I forgot that all those tik tok videos of woke teachers bragging about what they teach to the kids in their classes are obviously faked and really feature project veritas actors

 

[ClearwaterVol]

You poor poor deluded soul
You do realize don’t you That the DOJ and attorney General Are required to be apolitical and independent of the executive right? The governor is an explicity political office. And he is going after Disney using the LEGISLATIVE process, which is exactly the way it works. You may find it unsavory, maybe even see it as unethical, but that is the way the political world has ALWAYS functioned

You poor deluded soul to believe that you statement is a reflection of reality. Your boy trump sure expected loyalty and obedience from Sessions and Barr and publicly ridiculed them for failing to do his bidding.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

„Created“ a boogeyman? oh yeah. I forgot that all those tik tok videos of woke teachers bragging about what they teach to the kids in their classes are obviously faked and really feature project veritas actors

You obviously forgot the video of Cruz you just watched.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You poor deluded soul to believe that you statement is a reflection of reality. Your boy trump sure expected loyalty and obedience from Sessions and Barr and publicly ridiculed them for failing to do his bidding.

Yup, he ridiculed them for NOT doing his bidding. Which men’s they behaved correctly. I have never defended Trumps bullying and tantrums. I have said from day one that I see him as a thoroughly disagreeable individual. So „but Trump“ is wasted on me my friend. I have never seen him as a role model of good political behavior

 

[OrangeTsar]

You obviously forgot the video of Cruz you just watched.

Huh? You lost me there Willis

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Yup, he ridiculed them for NOT doing his bidding. Which men’s they behaved correctly. I have never defended Trumps bullying and tantrums. I have said from day one that I see him as a thoroughly disagreeable individual. So „but Trump“ is wasted on me my friend. I have never seen him as a role model of good political behavior

My point remains that the constant threats of and actual punishment of people that disagree with you politically is a problem in this country and needs to be eliminated.

 

[Vol8188]

So, if I say I am going to support DeSantis opponents should he be permitted to have the police follow me and ticket me if I exceed the speed limit by 1MPH or forget to signal when changing lanes? Is that where we are that we should expect to be punished for having an opinion that differs from our King?

I thought you disapproved of large corporations living by a different standard than the rest of us?

 

[Vol8188]

My .02 outside of this bill.

You want to improve public school performance? Stop worrying about the teachers. Start participating. Join the PTA. Become a room mom/dad. Volunteer at events. Email you kid's teachers regularly. Get to know the teachers in more than just a parent teacher conference day kind of way. Become a fixture at the school.

The parents that make the most noise are usually the ones you never see at any school functions. Don't be that Karen.

Even better: increase the number of 2 parent households.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I thought you disapproved of large corporations living by a different standard than the rest of us?

I am for large corporations paying their fair share. What we are talking about in this instance is the right Disney has to self govern its property. It was a status granted it when it agreed to move to Orlando. So, the governor is threatening renege on a promise made to Disney decades ago. The irony is that in so doing it would cost the taxpayers an enormous amount of money as Disney has its own police force, fire and rescue and maintains all public roads. On the stupidity scale, this is a doozy.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Even better: increase the number of 2 parent households.

I have raised my daughter as a single parent. I managed to participate on the PTA being president for a few years. Donate time and money to school plays (my daughter was drama kid). Each play I would buy most of the front row and bring a bunch of friends and family to support her. I never missed any sort of production, show or event in which she performed.

99% of being a good parent is just showing up.

 

[Vol8188]

I have raised my daughter as a single parent. I managed to participate on the PTA being president for a few years. Donate time and money to school plays (my daughter was drama kid). Each play I would buy most of the front row and bring a bunch of friends and family to support her. I never missed any sort of production, show or event in which she performed.

99% of being a good parent is just showing up.

A lot easier for someone 2 show up when there’s 2 someone’s.

 

[DC_Vol]

I am for large corporations paying there fair share. What we are talking about in this instance is the right Disney has to self govern its property. It was a status granted it when it agreed to move to Orlando. So, the governor is threatening renege on a promise made to Disney decades ago. The irony is that in so doing it would cost the taxpayers an enormous amount of money as Disney has its own police force, fire and rescue and maintains all public roads. On the stupidity scale, this is a doozy.

I don’t agree with you too often, but on this I’m with you. Florida granted the status to Disney, and the government shouldn’t wield their power in a punitive fashion. Terrible look and a bad precedent. Let the people punish Disney if they so choose.

Now if I sat on the board at Disney, I’d be telling the management to focus on the Disney experience and selling more overpriced stuff to their visitors. And leave the politics to the politicians.

 

[hog88]

I don’t agree with you too often, but on this I’m with you. Florida granted the status to Disney, and the government shouldn’t wield their power in a punitive fashion. Terrible look and a bad precedent. Let the people punish Disney if they so choose.

Now if I sat on the board at Disney, I’d be telling the management to focus on the Disney experience and selling more overpriced stuff to their visitors. And leave the politics to the politicians.

Agreed.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

A lot easier for someone 2 show up when there’s 2 someone’s.

You play the hand your dealt. Usually, the parents that are showing up don't have the problem kids.

 

[Vol8188]

You play the hand your dealt. Usually, the parents that are showing up don't have the problem kids.

Sure. But I’m not convinced it’s as easy the kids are problems because their parents don’t show up and that the parent showing up will fix anything. Likely the kid is a problem because the parents are a problem. Greater involvement of trashy parents doesn’t get us anywhere.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Sure. But I’m not convinced it’s as easy the kids are problems because their parents don’t show up and that the parent showing up will fix anything. Likely the kid is a problem because the parents are a problem. Greater involvement of trashy parents doesn’t get us anywhere.

Are they sh!tty parents because they don't show up or do they not show up because they are sh!tty parents?

I think very few people are great parents. I likewise believe that very few are truly sh!tty parents. That vast gulf in the middle of which very few make themselves present at school have kids that could benefit from having them be present.

 

[volinbham]

I don’t agree with you too often, but on this I’m with you. Florida granted the status to Disney, and the government shouldn’t wield their power in a punitive fashion. Terrible look and a bad precedent. Let the people punish Disney if they so choose.

Now if I sat on the board at Disney, I’d be telling the management to focus on the Disney experience and selling more overpriced stuff to their visitors. And leave the politics to the politicians.

I don't agree with DeSantis' reasons for taking this action, it certainly appears to be punitive On the other hand I'm not sure an agreement of this kind made over 50 years ago is sacrosanct. To the extent Disney is getting some special tax breaks in perpetuity that others don't get should be examined.

 

[VolStrom]

I don't agree with DeSantis' reasons for taking this action, it certainly appears to be punitive On the other hand I'm not sure an agreement of this kind made over 50 years ago is sacrosanct. To the extent Disney is getting some special tax breaks in perpetuity that others don't get should be examined.

I think the message they are sending to Disney is for them to stay in their lane and stay out of politics. Since they have decided to foray into politics and exert their force on the people of Florida, the people have an equal right to fight back, which is what DeSantis is doing and what he was elected to do.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I don't agree with DeSantis' reasons for taking this action, it certainly appears to be punitive On the other hand I'm not sure an agreement of this kind made over 50 years ago is sacrosanct. To the extent Disney is getting some special tax breaks in perpetuity that others don't get should be examined.

It is the right to self govern their property. If Disney wants to make DeSantis look like a dummy they should just relinquish the right and then the surrounding areas would have to pay for police, fire and rescue, and maintain the public roads. The real thing Disney gets is the right to decide how to protect the environment on its own land. Building on vs. maintaining wetlands. This saves them a fortune when they build out the property because every project doesn't require governmental approval sending every dirty government worker their way with their hands out.

 

[volinbham]

It is the right to self govern their property. If Disney wants to make DeSantis look like a dummy they should just relinquish the right and then the surrounding areas would have to pay for police, fire and rescue, and maintain the public roads. The real thing Disney gets is the right to decide how to protect the environment on its own land. Building on vs. maintaining wetlands. This saves them a fortune when they build out the property because every project doesn't require governmental approval sending every dirty government worker their way with their hands out.

But there are tax breaks for doing this. Until an analysis is done on the net cost/benefit it's impossible to say whether this is a good deal for Disney or for the state.

Seems if the deal benefits the state they should be offering it to other large corporations

 

[whodeycin85]

Is he actually trying to cancel the existing deal or just is it expiring and he is pushing to not renew it?