The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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Orangeslice13 said:
Or maybe he just found out he has cancer.
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If the following is accurate, methinks the upcoming legal proceedings won't go so well for the prosecution. That Schrader would apparently resign over this is pretty telling.

Per Tennessee Star:

"Former Chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Nashville Ben Schrader reportedly resigned from his post due to the “political” nature of the grand jury indictment against Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Abrego Garcia’s grand jury indictment, which was quietly filed on May 21 and unsealed on Friday, claims that human smuggling was his full-time occupation as he allegedly completed over 100 smuggling trips across the U.S., primarily transporting illegal aliens, including minors and members of the violent MS-13 gang.

The ten-page indictment further accuses Abrego Garcia of abusing women and children during transport, soliciting explicit material from a minor, and being linked to the murder of a rival gang member’s mother. He was also suspected of trafficking firearms and narcotics.

Schrader, who resigned from his post the day Abrego Garcia’s indictment was signed by Acting U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee Robert E. McGuire, reportedly did so out of “concerns that the case was being pursued for political reasons,” according to sources cited by ABC News."
 
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MontyPython said:
If the following is accurate, methinks the upcoming legal proceedings won't go so well for the prosecution. That Schrader would apparently resign over this is pretty telling.

Per Tennessee Star:

"Former Chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Nashville Ben Schrader reportedly resigned from his post due to the “political” nature of the grand jury indictment against Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Abrego Garcia’s grand jury indictment, which was quietly filed on May 21 and unsealed on Friday, claims that human smuggling was his full-time occupation as he allegedly completed over 100 smuggling trips across the U.S., primarily transporting illegal aliens, including minors and members of the violent MS-13 gang.

The ten-page indictment further accuses Abrego Garcia of abusing women and children during transport, soliciting explicit material from a minor, and being linked to the murder of a rival gang member’s mother. He was also suspected of trafficking firearms and narcotics.

Schrader, who resigned from his post the day Abrego Garcia’s indictment was signed by Acting U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee Robert E. McGuire, reportedly did so out of “concerns that the case was being pursued for political reasons,” according to sources cited by ABC News."
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The question will be whether the charges are true and provable.
 
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MontyPython said:
If the following is accurate, methinks the upcoming legal proceedings won't go so well for the prosecution. That Schrader would apparently resign over this is pretty telling.

Per Tennessee Star:

"Former Chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Nashville Ben Schrader reportedly resigned from his post due to the “political” nature of the grand jury indictment against Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Abrego Garcia’s grand jury indictment, which was quietly filed on May 21 and unsealed on Friday, claims that human smuggling was his full-time occupation as he allegedly completed over 100 smuggling trips across the U.S., primarily transporting illegal aliens, including minors and members of the violent MS-13 gang.

The ten-page indictment further accuses Abrego Garcia of abusing women and children during transport, soliciting explicit material from a minor, and being linked to the murder of a rival gang member’s mother. He was also suspected of trafficking firearms and narcotics.

Schrader, who resigned from his post the day Abrego Garcia’s indictment was signed by Acting U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee Robert E. McGuire, reportedly did so out of “concerns that the case was being pursued for political reasons,” according to sources cited by ABC News."
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So pure speculation since there are no named sources.
 
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MontyPython said:
That’s right Hogg. I mean nobody would worry about retribution from our thoughtful, kind President.
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I have to agree with Hogg on this. If there isn’t a named source then it’s made up in my opinion.

The integrity of the press is now dead to me. They’ve lost the credibility they need to be trusted
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I have to agree with Hogg on this. If there isn’t a named source then it’s made up in my opinion.

The integrity of the press is now dead to me. They’ve lost the credibility they need to be trusted
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So where do you get your basic info to be able to post anything here in the political forum?
 
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MontyPython said:
So where do you get your basic info to be able to post anything here in the political forum?
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Articles with verified information
Anything “speaking on the terms of anonymity“ has proven to be false too many times. If someone tips the reporter off then they should be able to verify the information. That’s only if they want to be believed
 
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MontyPython said:
So where do you get your basic info to be able to post anything here in the political forum?
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By definition you should only post information with named sources. That way if it turns out to be false, it's not on you. It's on them. If no one is willing to be a named source then it's not worth reporting to this board
 
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hog88 said:
Does a Vanderbilt Law professor make more money than an Assistant US District Attorney? I ask because he accepted a position at Vandy in March of this year
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So… Watergate. You would have supported Nixon. And anyone who has ever blown the whistle on a person or company… all they say is meaningless.

Come on dude. You’re smarter than that.

Here's a more detailed look at some key examples:
  • Deep Throat:
    This anonymous source, later revealed to be Mark Felt, was instrumental in the Watergate scandal,providing crucial information to journalists Robert Woodward and Carl Bernstein. Felt's insights helped uncover the cover-up and ultimately led to President Nixon's resignation.

  • The Anonymous Author of the New York Times Op-Ed:
    In 2018, the New York Times published an anonymous op-ed by a White House official who described the Trump administration as "out of control". This essay sparked significant public debate and highlighted concerns about the administration's actions.

  • Daniel Ellsberg:
    Ellsberg, a former Pentagon employee, leaked the Pentagon Papers, a classified study of the Vietnam War, to the New York Times. This act, though controversial at the time, exposed the government's deception and raised important questions about transparency and accountability.
The use of anonymous sources raises ethical and practical considerations:

  • Ethical Considerations:
    Journalists must balance the need to protect their sources with the public's right to know. The use of anonymous sources can sometimes raise questions about the credibility of the information.
  • Practical Considerations:
    Reliability and accuracy of information from anonymous sources must be carefully considered and verified. Journalists often rely on multiple sources, corroborating information from various sources to ensure accuracy.
 
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MontyPython said:
So… Watergate. You would have supported Nixon. And anyone who has ever blown the whistle on a person or company… all they say is meaningless.

Come on dude. You’re smarter than that.

Here's a more detailed look at some key examples:
  • Deep Throat:
    This anonymous source, later revealed to be Mark Felt, was instrumental in the Watergate scandal,providing crucial information to journalists Robert Woodward and Carl Bernstein. Felt's insights helped uncover the cover-up and ultimately led to President Nixon's resignation.

  • The Anonymous Author of the New York Times Op-Ed:
    In 2018, the New York Times published an anonymous op-ed by a White House official who described the Trump administration as "out of control". This essay sparked significant public debate and highlighted concerns about the administration's actions.

  • Daniel Ellsberg:
    Ellsberg, a former Pentagon employee, leaked the Pentagon Papers, a classified study of the Vietnam War, to the New York Times. This act, though controversial at the time, exposed the government's deception and raised important questions about transparency and accountability.
The use of anonymous sources raises ethical and practical considerations:

  • Ethical Considerations:
    Journalists must balance the need to protect their sources with the public's right to know. The use of anonymous sources can sometimes raise questions about the credibility of the information.
  • Practical Considerations:
    Reliability and accuracy of information from anonymous sources must be carefully considered and verified. Journalists often rely on multiple sources, corroborating information from various sources to ensure accuracy.
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1st you didn't answer my question regarding Vandy professor pay vs Assistant US Attorney pay and ignored the fact that his linkedin page has him accepting the Vandy position in March. Maybe he resigned for a new position?

Only 2 of your 3 examples of anonymous sources have been confirmed accurate and how many decades ago were they? 50+ years ago? LOL
 
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hog88 said:
1st you didn't answer my question regarding Vandy professor pay vs Assistant US Attorney pay and ignored the fact that his linkedin page has him accepting the Vandy position in March. Maybe he resigned for a new position?

Only 2 of your 3 examples of anonymous sources have been confirmed accurate and how many decades ago were they? 50+ years ago? LOL
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Ugh.

Seems I responded to your post rather than the person whom my original post was geared towards. Just get your big old nose out of my bidnezz
 
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Kilmar Abrego pleads not guilty to Human Smuggling charges in Nashville court​


Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador in March, has pleaded not guilty to the criminal charges against him in a Nashville federal court.

He is accused of conspiracy to transport aliens and unlawful transportation of undocumented aliens.

Both prosecutors and defense are heavily staffed for the case. Acting U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee Rob McGuire, who leads all federal prosecutors in Nashville, and lawyers from the U.S. Department of Justice are representing the federal government. Abrego Garcia's attorneys include the local Federal Public Defender Dumaka Shabazz and three assistant public defenders.

www.tennessean.com

Kilmar Abrego pleads not guilty to human smuggling charges in Nashville court

He is accused of conspiracy to transport aliens and unlawful transportation of undocumented aliens.
www.tennessean.com
 
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volbound1700 said:
How did he end up in Nashville for trial?
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Probably because he was pulled over by THP and they suspected he was trafficking people....... But they didn't arrest him at the time I don't believe. Which I don't understand, at least detain and investigate.
 
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KB5252 said:
Probably because he was pulled over by THP and they suspected he was trafficking people....... But they didn't arrest him at the time I don't believe. Which I don't understand, at least detain and investigate.
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They supposedly spoke with Biden's FBI at the time of the stop and were told to let him go 🤷‍♂️. There were 8 people in the vehicle and not one shred of bags with clothes or anything else
 
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Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the migrant who had been deported to El Salvador in March by the Trump administration, will remain in jail for now ahead of his trial on criminal charges of human smuggling.

At the conclusion of a hearing on Friday in federal court in Nashville, U.S. Magistrate Judge Barbara Holmes said she would rule at a later date on Abrego Garcia's bid to be released on bail pending trial.

Robert McGuire, the U.S. attorney in Nashville, said Abrego would be placed into immigration detention even if Holmes orders his release.
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Nadine Seiler listens and a protester holds a sign as Ama Frimpong, Legal Director at CAS speaks after attending a hearing for Kilmar Abrego Garcia

www.dailymail.co.uk

Migrant 'wrongly' deported by Trump appears back in US courthouse

Garcia pleaded not guilty on Friday to the charges with his wife, Jennifer Vasquez Sura, and a gaggle of protesters on hand.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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KB5252 said:
Probably because he was pulled over by THP and they suspected he was trafficking people....... But they didn't arrest him at the time I don't believe. Which I don't understand, at least detain and investigate.
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Vol since 77 said:
They supposedly spoke with Biden's FBI at the time of the stop and were told to let him go 🤷‍♂️. There were 8 people in the vehicle and not one shred of bags with clothes or anything else
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Didn't they say on the THP body camera that supposedly he said they were heading back to Maryland from a job site in St. Louis?

I mean if that's true what would you be doing in Tennessee? Wouldn't you take I70 across or even I64?
 
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NY Law Firm Representing Kilmar Abrego Garcia Received $7 Million from Reid Hoffman Nonprofit to Fund E. Jean Carroll Lawsuit Against President Trump​


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Hecker & Fink, the New York law firm representing Kilmar Abrego Garcia in the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) case against him in Middle Tennessee, was paid $7 million by a nonprofit created by LinkedIn co-founder and Democratic Party megadonor Reid Hoffman in 2020. The money was earmarked to fund the lawsuits by former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll against President Donald Trump.

As The Tennessee Star reported, Abgrego Garcia on Tuesday submitted a legal filing which informed the court of his new attorneys, including Rascoe Dean of the Nashville law firm, Sherrard Roe Voigt & Harbison, as well as Sean Hecker, Jenna Dabbs, and David Patton, of the the New York-based law firm, Hecker & Fink.

Previously known as Kaplan Hecker & Fink until attorney Roberta Kaplan departed amid reported acrimony last July, Hecker & Fink in 2020 received $7 million from American Future Republic, the nonprofit organization established by LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman in 2019.

The money from Hoffman’s group was labeled as “public interest litigation funding” in its Form 990 tax filing for 2020, and was used to fund the lawsuits by Carroll against Trump.

 
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Judge says Justice Department failed to make case for Abrego Garcia’s detention ahead of criminal trial​

"...But as she ruled in Abrego Garcia’s favor, Magistrate Judge Barbara Holmes of the federal court in Nashville said Sunday that “the government failed to prove” so far that he endangered any minor victim, might try to flee from the law or might attempt to obstruct justice, as the Justice Department had argued. She noted that under federal criminal law, the Justice Department hadn’t even shown it had enough evidence to hold a hearing seeking his pretrial detention.

Garcia is likely to remain in federal custody, because immigration authorities will be able to keep him detained separate from his criminal case. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Holmes’ opinion is still a notable one, building upon six hours of evidence and testimony regarding Abrego Garcia’s detention earlier this month, in what amounted to a preview of what may be evidence used at a trial.

Holmes’ 51-page ruling essentially deems some DOJ accusations about Abrego Garcia to be overblown — built upon evidence with questionable reliability from a traffic stop, cooperators in the case providing information to law enforcement through hearsay, and a shaky theory of victimizing children in a human-smuggling operation when that has not been charged or proved by the DOJ, the judge wrote."

Looking more and more like the previous Federal Prosecutor who resigned over this did so for good reason. Politics not the proper application of the law.

Remember, the "crime" he committed was so heinous that the LEOs just let him drive away.
 
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