The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

[volbound1700]

Guessing you've never had to fire an employee.

Tell me how a Judge is going to fire the head of a law enforcement agent (in this case someone in the Department of State).

 

[utvolpj]

You crying about the rule of law then cry about some being a money grab and not what they’re intended for. I suggest making them more about what they’re intended for and not just a “money grab” and you still cry. Good to know you’re the self proclaimed arbiter of what laws matter and which ones don’t.

I cried about nothing and just simply stated basic facts you have trouble comprehending. As usual, you then make up some idiotic hypothetical and run around trying to use it against everyone. It's a pattern and not in a good way

 

[hog88]

Fire him and replace him with an employee who will abide by the Rule of Law.

Gosh that was hard. Next!

Who's going to fire him, the judge?

 

[C-south]

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I don’t need to see your selfie I already know.

 

[MontyPython]

Tell me how a Judge is going to fire the head of a law enforcement agent (in this case someone in the Department of State).

That would not be the person detaining you partner.

Bailiff. Check into it.

 

[volbound1700]

Who's going to fire him, the judge?

Don't you know, Judges can fire people in the Department of State. It is simple...

 

[C-south]

I cried about nothing and just simply stated basic facts you have trouble comprehending. As usual, you them make up some idiotic hypothetical and run and trying to use it against everyone. It's a pattern and not in a good way

There’s nothing hypothetical about it. You’re a hypocrite. You’re crying about the “rule of law”……..except those.

 

[hog88]

Let me introduce you to the U.S. Marshals Service.

And what branch does the US Marshal Service work for?

 

[MontyPython]

It's both laughable and disconcerting how the MAGA nutballs here live in some dream world where they think they can violate the judicial branch of the United States without penalty.

Go for it, universe of numbnuts.

Your master is reopening a nice scenic spot on a Bay in Cali for ya.

 

[hog88]

That would not be the person arresting you partner.

Bailiff. Check into it.

Federal court bailiffs work for the US Marshal Service, state/local courts they work for the local sheriffs department or State Police.

 

[volbound1700]

Federal court bailiffs work for the US Marshal Service, state/local courts they work for the local sheriffs department or State Police.

Yeah, that also had me baffled with his response. Bailiffs are typically pulled from the local police force in my area.

 

[hog88]

It's both laughable and disconcerting how the MAGA nutballs here live in some dream world where they think they can violate the judicial branch of the United States Scot free.

Go for it, universe of numbnuts.

The point of this exercise is for you to understand that the judicial branch (even at the state level) relies on the executive branch to enforce it's orders/rulings.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Except you can't right now. Why not just answer the question? Does a deportation override us law and court rulings?

I'm no lawyer. He shouldn't be protected by our laws though because he is not an American citizen.

 

[Ritzwatch]

I can find no evidence that the admin deported him under AEA, and IMHO, it would be inappropriate to try.

Well, that is why I asked. There had been a lot of discussion on the board about the AEA, and most the news articles I have read about A-G have also discussed the AEA. Taken together, most of what I read indicated he was deported under the AEA. That is why I have been asking, only to be met with smart-ass "MAGA/Trumper/Hater" responses which are not particularly educational and are even less helpful.

You, on the other hand, have given me reason to think perhaps the deportation was not based in AEA. I appreciate your response. You have piqued my interest enough that I will try to find some time this week to look into it some more. I usually like doing my own homework, and I certainly don't trust the mass-news stories to be 100% accurate; I have just been busy with work and family time, so hoped someone here knew definitively what law was used to deport A-G so I could be lazy and piggyback on their work. Since that didn't work, I am going to have to OCD this myself.

 

[hog88]

I'm no lawyer. He shouldn't be protected by our laws though because he is not an American citizen.

Anyone on US soil is subject to our laws and protections minus people here in a diplomatic capacity.

 

[Orangeburst]

Oh noes..I am going to the Traz!

 

[utvolpj]

I'm no lawyer. He shouldn't be protected by our laws though because he is not an American citizen.

This is about the executive ignoring rulings from the judicial. It's not about the fact you believe govt grants rights

 

[MontyPython]

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[BeardedVol]

And what branch does the US Marshal Service work for?

It would be a Constitutional crisis of Trump's making should he pit the Director of the Marshals service against the DOJ, attempting to carry out the lawful order of the court, by having Pam Bondi order him to refuse to do so.

An Attorney General with integrity would refuse to do such a thing, but it's Pam Bondi we're talking about so...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Anyone on US soil is subject to our laws and protections minus people here in a diplomatic capacity.

Well then we are screwd, because Puddinhead let in the whole ****ing world. They can do whatever the hell they want I guess and they get protections. Actually being subject to the law only applies to actual citizens.

That's kind of wrong isn't it

 

[hog88]

Curious... you would argue that the executive branch is the only one that has the authority and ability to enforce laws?

Ability, no question about that. Not sure about authority but probably so.

 

[MontyPython]

Ability, no question about that. Not sure about authority but probably so.

More specifically, you would argue that the executive branch can simply set aside a judicial branch ruling by not enforcing it?

Isn't that the definition of a Constitutional crisis partner?

SPOILER: YES.

 

[OrangeTsar]

What's the judge going to do if the chief law enforcement officer in that jurisdiction refuses to enforce the judges order?

If it is contempt of a federal court, then the enforcement officer of record is AG Pam Bondi. So it ain’t happening no matter what fever dreams the Libs come up with

 

[Orangeburst]

More specifically, you would argue that the executive branch can simply set aside a judicial branch ruling by not enforcing it?

Isn't that the definition of a Constitutional crisis partner?

SPOILER: YES.

Cough cough..sanctuary cities
The irony.

 

[hog88]

It would be a Constitutional crisis of Trump's making should he pit the Director of the Marshals service against the DOJ, attempting to carry out the lawful order of the court, by having Pam Bondi order him to refuse to do so.

An Attorney General with integrity would refuse to do such a thing, but it's Pam Bondi we're talking about so...

The US Marshal Service is a branch of the DOJ which is part of the executive branch.

Again I say, the judicial branch of our government is dependent on the executive branch to enforce it's rulings/orders. Now, a battle between the judicial branch and the executive shouldn't happen but it has several times in our history. Even some of our "best" presidents have gone much further than Trump in ignoring, threatening and chastising the federal judiciary.