The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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Mods, I think this issue is worthy of its own thread given a Constitutional crisis is possible...

Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia[a] is a citizen of El Salvador who was illegally deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error." He was subsequently imprisoned without trial in the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), a maximum-security prison in El Salvador, despite never having been charged with or convicted of a crime in either country. His lawyers argue that his imprisonment is part of an agreement to detain U.S. deportees there in exchange for payment, a claim that was confirmed by U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen, who had spoken with Félix Ulloa, El Salvador's vice president. The administration has defended the deportation in the press by accusing him of membership in the MS-13 gang, a U.S.-designated terrorist organization—an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.

Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then immigrated illegally to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him "withholding of removal" status—a rare alternative to asylum—due to the danger he faced from gang violence if returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he was living in Maryland with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

On April 10, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal. The Court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Justice Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene."

The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return. The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his return and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S. and providing a plane if El Salvador chooses to release him. President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has refused to do so, stating that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".
 
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Bad look for Sen. Hollen to take a flight for optics to the media, hoping to see an illegal who had two domestic abuse charges.
"But I had no issues pulling the lever for an ADJUDICATED rapist and 34-time CONVICTED criminal." -- Majors
 
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Mods, I think this issue is worthy of its own thread given a Constitutional crisis is possible...

Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia[a] is a citizen of El Salvador who was illegally deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error." He was subsequently imprisoned without trial in the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), a maximum-security prison in El Salvador, despite never having been charged with or convicted of a crime in either country. His lawyers argue that his imprisonment is part of an agreement to detain U.S. deportees there in exchange for payment, a claim that was confirmed by U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen, who had spoken with Félix Ulloa, El Salvador's vice president. The administration has defended the deportation in the press by accusing him of membership in the MS-13 gang, a U.S.-designated terrorist organization—an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.

Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then immigrated illegally to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him "withholding of removal" status—a rare alternative to asylum—due to the danger he faced from gang violence if returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he was living in Maryland with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

On April 10, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal. The Court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Justice Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene."

The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return. The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his return and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S. and providing a plane if El Salvador chooses to release him. President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has refused to do so, stating that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".
Additionally, El Salvador's Vice President told Senator Hollen that Garcia is being held solely because El Salvador is being paid to do so by the Trump administration.

This means that not only is the Trump administration not "facilitating" his return as ordered by the Supreme Court, rather they are are taking willful action to defy the SCOTUS order by continuing to pay for the cost of his incarceration.

I would not be shocked if Garcia is never seen alive again (if he even is at this point)
 
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Truly stunning how cavalier people are about this. Just straight up giving SCOTUS - which has a 6-3 conservative split - the finger and you goobers are like "schwing"!

 
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Truly stunning how cavalier people are about this. Just straight up giving SCOTUS - which has a 6-3 conservative split - the finger and you goobers are like "schwing"!



Agreed. They need to bring him back for one day. Have him stand before an immigration judge. And then immediately deport him again.
 
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Mods, I think this issue is worthy of its own thread given a Constitutional crisis is possible...

Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia[a] is a citizen of El Salvador who was illegally deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error." He was subsequently imprisoned without trial in the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), a maximum-security prison in El Salvador, despite never having been charged with or convicted of a crime in either country. His lawyers argue that his imprisonment is part of an agreement to detain U.S. deportees there in exchange for payment, a claim that was confirmed by U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen, who had spoken with Félix Ulloa, El Salvador's vice president. The administration has defended the deportation in the press by accusing him of membership in the MS-13 gang, a U.S.-designated terrorist organization—an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.

Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then immigrated illegally to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him "withholding of removal" status—a rare alternative to asylum—due to the danger he faced from gang violence if returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he was living in Maryland with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

On April 10, 2025, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal. The Court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Justice Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene."

The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return. The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his return and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S. and providing a plane if El Salvador chooses to release him. President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has refused to do so, stating that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".
I don't care.
 
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"But I had no issues pulling the lever for an ADJUDICATED rapist and 34-time CONVICTED criminal." -- Majors
That’s not a direct quote as I don’t use all caps. But but, but, but…

If you had the same energy for Americans as you do for illegals committing crimes here, the liberals may have a chance of winning. But here we are with old white guys flying with cameras to see criminals.
 
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That’s not a direct quote as I don’t use all caps. But but, but, but…

If you had the same energy for Americans as you do for illegals committing crimes here, the liberals may have a chance of winning. But here we are with old white guys flying with cameras to see criminals.
Yeah I might vote Democrat if they cared that much about American citizens.
 
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I mean she has a point here Mr Van Hollen

"On Wednesday, Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., flew to El Salvador to visit Abrego Garcia in prison and work to secure his release. His trip has been criticized by many, including the mother of Rachel Morrin, a 39-year-old Maryland mother who was raped and murdered by a Salvadoran illegal immigrant in 2023.

"To have a senator from Maryland who didn't even acknowledge, or barely acknowledge, my daughter and the brutal death that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother and now a grandbaby without a grandmother so that he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El Salvador to bring back someone that's not even an American citizen. Why does that person have more rights than I do, or my daughter, or my grandchildren? I don't understand this," she said. "
 

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