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MWAVolfan said:
In case you haven't seen this rerun before, the current coach maxes out his potential and the precipitous decline begins. First with inexplicable history making (in a bad way) on-field results and then on the recruiting trail. By the time people wake up you're on your way to losing every SEC game. When there are six games to go and everyone knows the coach is a dead man walking, but just hasn't been fired yet the recruits will jump ship.

" But all this coach needs is a QB and things will get better" and where's that QB gonna come from when recruits are fleeing the program? He doesn't have the ability to convince a top shelf QB to come here now. He's a defensive guru supposedly and he can't keep our top defensive prospects from bolting. How's he gonna get a good QB?

Once the slow moving unresponsive program finally wakes up and terminates the coaching staff, its too late. The body has been cold for too long on the operating table. Too damaged by its injuries.

You then hire a new coach who is given the task of trying to bring a dead program back to life after it's been drained and embalmed. Setting them up for failure before they even had a chance.

The key to ending this cycle is cutting off the coach BEFORE this inevitable conclusion. While there are still plenty of good recruits in the pipeline. DO YOUR COACHING SEARCH NOW AND NAME THE NEW COACH WITHIN A WEEK OF FIRING THE OLD ONE. Don't give the recruits a chance to bolt. Show them a big name coach and they will get as excited as the fans will.

If you have to go into debt to get the right coach, do it because winning again will generate unimaginable amounts of money. the ROI is solid in the SEC. We need to be done hiring coaches who have to "grow and develop" on-the-job. Literally any coach will come here for the right dollar signs. YES TENNESSEE IS NOW IN A POSITION WHERE IT WILL HAVE TO DRASTICALLY OVERPAY FOR A GOOD COACH. Tennessee had soiled itself and made this an extremely tough job. The good news is UT has been shopping in the bargain bin for years, so they should be able to step up now with all the money they've saved over those years, buyouts or no buyouts. The way I figure it, Tennessee will need to pay 7-8 million to get the right coach here immediately. Just call it the cost of doing business once you have given up all your leverage as a premier football program. Those days are gone now. Time to pony up and pay for all your sins.
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My goodness...logic!!!!! How dare you apply logic!!!! We’re a program of hand sitters here now !! And don’t you know if we fire Pruitt now we could be 2-6 at this point next season!!!!!!!
 
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superdave1984 said:
Anyone ever know why Belichick was let go from Cleveland? Because he let Bernie Kosar walk while he still had a few good years left. He doesn't have a problem dropping even a star player just before he is past his prime. And he wins a heckuvalot with this strategy. UTAD should try it. Had we fired Fulmer just before he was done, like say 2005, there were several really good coaches that we could have hired. We weren't a pit of misery yet and were still considered a top tier job. Probably could have gotten a Gary Patterson back then. Saban was not enjoying success for the Dolphins. Why wouldn't he have come to UT instead of bama?
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The problem with that is we do not believe in hiring excellence at UT. Only look for coaches with potential.

I think right now the best scenario for us might be if Texas fires Tom Herman and we can get him for a decent salary and let Texas pay our coach for a couple of years to develop our program. Didn’t he go undefeated at Houston? He is young and a member of MENSA. He could recruit from Texas and hire some staff with SEC recruiting potential. You also can’t look at what he has done at Texas. Remember they fired an old washed up basketball coach several years ago who they thought could not coach.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
In case you haven't seen this rerun before, the current coach maxes out his potential and the precipitous decline begins. First with inexplicable history making (in a bad way) on-field results and then on the recruiting trail. By the time people wake up you're on your way to losing every SEC game. When there are six games to go and everyone knows the coach is a dead man walking, but just hasn't been fired yet the recruits will jump ship.

" But all this coach needs is a QB and things will get better" and where's that QB gonna come from when recruits are fleeing the program? He doesn't have the ability to convince a top shelf QB to come here now. He's a defensive guru supposedly and he can't keep our top defensive prospects from bolting. How's he gonna get a good QB?

Once the slow moving unresponsive program finally wakes up and terminates the coaching staff, its too late. The body has been cold for too long on the operating table. Too damaged by its injuries.

You then hire a new coach who is given the task of trying to bring a dead program back to life after it's been drained and embalmed. Setting them up for failure before they even had a chance.

The key to ending this cycle is cutting off the coach BEFORE this inevitable conclusion. While there are still plenty of good recruits in the pipeline. DO YOUR COACHING SEARCH NOW AND NAME THE NEW COACH WITHIN A WEEK OF FIRING THE OLD ONE. Don't give the recruits a chance to bolt. Show them a big name coach and they will get as excited as the fans will.

If you have to go into debt to get the right coach, do it because winning again will generate unimaginable amounts of money. the ROI is solid in the SEC. We need to be done hiring coaches who have to "grow and develop" on-the-job. Literally any coach will come here for the right dollar signs. YES TENNESSEE IS NOW IN A POSITION WHERE IT WILL HAVE TO DRASTICALLY OVERPAY FOR A GOOD COACH. Tennessee had soiled itself and made this an extremely tough job. The good news is UT has been shopping in the bargain bin for years, so they should be able to step up now with all the money they've saved over those years, buyouts or no buyouts. The way I figure it, Tennessee will need to pay 7-8 million to get the right coach here immediately. Just call it the cost of doing business once you have given up all your leverage as a premier football program. Those days are gone now. Time to pony up and pay for all your sins.
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If I’m ranking Pruitt mistakes it they seem obvious. Number one is staff. He won the lottery with the Fitz hire, but he failed to initially hire veteran coordinators. In fact, he’s really never hired a true DC. This set him back and lengthened his learning curve. Hiring someone with head coaching experience would have been the way to go. He then inexplicably ran off guys who were very good position teachers. Most notably was Rocker. We’ve seen a decrease in development in all defensive positions. Hiring your Friend(s) is a really bad move.

Second was trying to retain Butch’s players. Specifically JG. Rumor is that Pruitt ignored staff suggestions for several grad transfer QBs. Roster attrition was much lower than I expected the first two years. Granted, scholarship restrictions have made rebuilding even tougher. The NCAA needs to offer relief to schools that have an exodus amd allow them to over sign a percentage of what they lose. We are at the end of year three and this team still has Lyles fingerprints all over it.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Nothing fun to watch about Pruitts teams outside of a handful of players..
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To'oto'o and Gray flash and that's about it other than the o line guys. I'm not seeing anyone else who cracks the NFL outside being an UDFA. Maybe Palmer since he got a SR Bowl invite.

These WR have been completely neutered not entirely through their own doing. Aside from Guarantano, they have zero fire like we are used to seeing.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Unfortunately we skipped over the part where we beat Georgia and Florida and have decent seasons before the meltdown.
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True. Unfortunately, I feel those seasons we had the talent to make noise in the SEC, but player mismanagement, such as Alvin Kamara. Much like we see today, smh.
 
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BisonVol said:
The problem is if he's fired now, then Tennessee goes into the early signing period without a head coach. A head coach, even a lame duck head coach, probably bodes slightly better for the early signing period than no coach at all. Had Fulmer and co. pulled the trigger weeks ago like they should have, we could have already named a new head coach, and he could be working on shoring up this class.

As it is, Tennessee is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can go into signing day without a head coach or go into 2021 with a lame duck who everyone knows is going to get fired at some point next season.
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“If”? The problem is he is fired. He knows it, most recruits know it, most fans know it, and his assistants also know it. The fact that it hasn’t actually happened is irrelevant. Pruitt is a dead man walking. IF Tennessee were going to make a splash hire it probably helps recruiting more to get it done now than to hang onto Pruitt bc everyone knows what will happen there.

Of course Tennessee being Tennessee we will hang onto him, win 6 games next year and give him a fat extension. Bowling Green, Pitt, South Alabama, Vandy, Kentucky, Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss are on our schedule. I’m sure he will win the first four in that list and can win vs 2 of the others. He could have 6-7 wins and even then only the most delusional would think we’re any closer to competing for the SEC title.
 
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I saw on a site about Grad Transfers that if JG wants to play somewhere else next year that he would be in high demand. Just proves again it’s coaching not talent.
 
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EODVOL said:
True. Unfortunately, I feel those seasons we had the talent to make noise in the SEC, but player mismanagement, such as Alvin Kamara. Much like we see today, smh.
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The Flute player blew 2 SEC East championships (‘15 & ‘16) with his personal insecurity and uncontrollable appetite for attention.
 
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DaddyChad said:
“If”? The problem is he is fired. He knows it, most recruits know it, most fans know it, and his assistants also know it. The fact that it hasn’t actually happened is irrelevant. Pruitt is a dead man walking. IF Tennessee were going to make a splash hire it probably helps recruiting more to get it done now than to hang onto Pruitt bc everyone knows what will happen there.

Of course Tennessee being Tennessee we will hang onto him, win 6 games next year and give him a fat extension. Bowling Green, Pitt, South Alabama, Vandy, Kentucky, Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss are on our schedule. I’m sure he will win the first four in that list and can win vs 2 of the others. He could have 6-7 wins and even then only the most delusional would think we’re any closer to competing for the SEC title.
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What makes you think he will win all of those first 4?
 
#38
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DaddyChad said:
“If”? The problem is he is fired. He knows it, most recruits know it, most fans know it, and his assistants also know it. The fact that it hasn’t actually happened is irrelevant. Pruitt is a dead man walking. IF Tennessee were going to make a splash hire it probably helps recruiting more to get it done now than to hang onto Pruitt bc everyone knows what will happen there.

Of course Tennessee being Tennessee we will hang onto him, win 6 games next year and give him a fat extension. Bowling Green, Pitt, South Alabama, Vandy, Kentucky, Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss are on our schedule. I’m sure he will win the first four in that list and can win vs 2 of the others. He could have 6-7 wins and even then only the most delusional would think we’re any closer to competing for the SEC title.
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Don't count on him winning that Pitt game. Pitt may not have great talent, but Pat Narduzzi is far and away a better coach than Pruitt.

With Pruitt, 6 wins is far from a guarantee next season. We play Missouri and Kentucky on the road. I can't see us beating Missouri with how they've come on this season. Kentucky is far from a given with Pruitt as we all well know. We know Florida, Georgia, and Alabama are blow out losses. I can't see us beating Ole Miss either.

So the way I see it, I think Tennessee only beats South Carolina and Vandy in SEC play, and even those aren't givens. Factor in a loss to Pitt, and that's a 5-7 train wreck season. 2022 recruiting will be a mess in a class where the in state talent is phenomenal. Sadly, our administration is either too prideful or too stupid to see that. Our best hope of getting rid of Pruitt is that some of the big money boosters force UT's hand. And if that doesn't work, people just need to walk away from UT football until they start giving a care.
 
#39
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BisonVol said:
Don't count on him winning that Pitt game. Pitt may not have great talent, but Pat Narduzzi is far and away a better coach than Pruitt.

With Pruitt, 6 wins is far from a guarantee next season. We play Missouri and Kentucky on the road. I can't see us beating Missouri with how they've come on this season. Kentucky is far from a given with Pruitt as we all well know. We know Florida, Georgia, and Alabama are blow out losses. I can't see us beating Ole Miss either.

So the way I see it, I think Tennessee only beats South Carolina and Vandy in SEC play, and even those aren't givens. Factor in a loss to Pitt, and that's a 5-7 train wreck season. 2022 recruiting will be a mess in a class where the in state talent is phenomenal. Sadly, our administration is either too prideful or too stupid to see that. Our best hope of getting rid of Pruitt is that some of the big money boosters force UT's hand. And if that doesn't work, people just need to walk away from UT football until they start giving a care.
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Agreed. We win 3 of 4 OOC games, Vandy, and maybe SC. I don’t see us beating Ole Miss, at Ky or at Mizz. We will be in the 5 or 6 win range, and wonder why didn’t fire him when we had very few jobs open.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
In case you haven't seen this rerun before, the current coach maxes out his potential and the precipitous decline begins. First with inexplicable history making (in a bad way) on-field results and then on the recruiting trail. By the time people wake up you're on your way to losing every SEC game. When there are six games to go and everyone knows the coach is a dead man walking, but just hasn't been fired yet the recruits will jump ship.

" But all this coach needs is a QB and things will get better" and where's that QB gonna come from when recruits are fleeing the program? He doesn't have the ability to convince a top shelf QB to come here now. He's a defensive guru supposedly and he can't keep our top defensive prospects from bolting. How's he gonna get a good QB?

Once the slow moving unresponsive program finally wakes up and terminates the coaching staff, its too late. The body has been cold for too long on the operating table. Too damaged by its injuries.

You then hire a new coach who is given the task of trying to bring a dead program back to life after it's been drained and embalmed. Setting them up for failure before they even had a chance.

The key to ending this cycle is cutting off the coach BEFORE this inevitable conclusion. While there are still plenty of good recruits in the pipeline. DO YOUR COACHING SEARCH NOW AND NAME THE NEW COACH WITHIN A WEEK OF FIRING THE OLD ONE. Don't give the recruits a chance to bolt. Show them a big name coach and they will get as excited as the fans will.

If you have to go into debt to get the right coach, do it because winning again will generate unimaginable amounts of money. the ROI is solid in the SEC. We need to be done hiring coaches who have to "grow and develop" on-the-job. Literally any coach will come here for the right dollar signs. YES TENNESSEE IS NOW IN A POSITION WHERE IT WILL HAVE TO DRASTICALLY OVERPAY FOR A GOOD COACH. Tennessee had soiled itself and made this an extremely tough job. The good news is UT has been shopping in the bargain bin for years, so they should be able to step up now with all the money they've saved over those years, buyouts or no buyouts. The way I figure it, Tennessee will need to pay 7-8 million to get the right coach here immediately. Just call it the cost of doing business once you have given up all your leverage as a premier football program. Those days are gone now. Time to pony up and pay for all your sins.
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wouldn’t it be great if they already had a new coach in the Freezer?
 
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