The Color Orange: The Condredge Holloway Story

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Gatorules said:
Missed it. Is ESPN going to run it again?
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Im sure. I caught it last night on ESPNU. It will probably run at least once a day for the next week on any given ESPN channel. Its an awesome story. Got chill bumps several times. Im sure it wouldntbe the same for a Gay-tor though.
 
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justingroves said:
A great coach wins regardless.

Bear did that at TAMU, Kentucky and Alabama.


Or the fact that they're not in 100% control of who they want on the roster.
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Yeah, but was he really a great coach or do we perceive him as a superior coach because he recruited well and won on personnel. Bear had a lot of lackluster seasons:

5-3-2
5-4-2
1-9
5-4-1
6-5
6-5-1

Was he not a good coach those seasons or did he not have the personnel? Personnel is always an excuse when a coach loses, but nobody says a coach built a dynasty on personnel. They always credit the coach for being a genius. Why is that? We have the perfect example right in front of us. Fulmer won when he recruited well and lost when he didn't. If he had always recruited well we'd be calling him a genius still today.
 
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justingroves said:
It could have been that he was using an outdated offense and was smart enough to change it.
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I have always thought that one of the biggest rule changes that would have severly hurt the bear was reduction in scholarships. In his day the signed kids just so they wouldnt go elsewhere. I remember hearing (true or not i dont know) at one point he signed over 100 players in one class.

Also, speaking of history and a previous post in this thread. I am pretty sure Neyland invented tear away jerseys.
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Ari Silverstein said:
Got that right. :eek:k: Couldn't recruit, couldn't coach all he could do was Praise Jesus and raid Young Life for crappy 1 star recruits. Took us forever to undo what that arseclown did to us in a few short years. Absolutely idiotic head coach pick which I also blame on Traitor Doug Dickeyheed for dumping us in a heartbeat for Florida. :realmad:
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Have you seen coach Battle's won-loss record at UT? He was no coach Neyland, but his record - particularly his first four years - is something to be proud of. And you called Doug Dickey a traitor? Yea, he left for Florida but he won a national championship in '67 and another SEC title in '69. He had great seasons besides those two as well. And what about his tenure as AD? A traitor? Really?!
 
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homesweetTN said:
Have you seen coach Battle's won-loss record at UT?
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In person, you weren't even an embryo then. :spank: Battle took over recruiting classes of Doug Dickey's FYI. As those recruting classes fell off the roster, so did his "coaching expertise". From four years of Dickey's recruits:
11-1
10-2
10-2
8-4
to
7-3
7-5
6-5
they canned his ass. Hell, I sat and listened to Bill Battle come into the fraternity houses in 1971 and literally tell us how he did not like to recruit. We knew then he was a clown. Clowning was perfected when he traveled all the way to Memphis to recruit my cousin who was at best a 2 star player. Why? Met him at Young Life and was "impressed". No one else gave him a scholly, not even a look.
And you called Doug Dickey a traitor? Yea, he left for Florida but he won a national championship in '67
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:huh: Go re-read your history books, Sonny.

BTW, Dickey didn't just "leave", he ran. Everyone knew he was goin to Florida including his players because Dickey had his wife in Gainesville looking for a home before we lost to Florida, yeah, Florida, an inferior team, in the Gator Bowl 14-13.

Dickey handled the transition like a dunce and when he returned, he was absolutely pelted with oranges the entire time he was on the field in 1970.

He gets back to Tennessee by sucking up to Bob Woodruff, another Gator coach who Dickey played for, another in a long line of dunce ADs which includes The Lord Of Dunces, Mike HammyTon.

On top of that, dickey was an SAE and I HATE the E's, socially retarded bastards that they are.
 
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justingroves said:
It could have been that he was using an outdated offense and was smart enough to change it.
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As brilliant as Neyland was supposed to be, he kept hiring single wing coaches and ex-Tennessee football players (Robinson, Wyatt, McDonald) and they failed miserably. Dickey learned the "T" formation from Frank Broyles of Arkansas fame who was a superior coach and took it to Tennessee. Bob Woodruff followed the tradition of hiring your ex-football players when he signed Dickey on. More luck than skill here. :crazy:
 
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edram150 said:
I have always thought that one of the biggest rule changes that would have severly hurt the bear was reduction in scholarships. In his day the signed kids just so they wouldnt go elsewhere. I remember hearing (true or not i dont know) at one point he signed over 100 players in one class.Posted via VolNation Mobile
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True story. I saw a UT-Alabam frosh football game and ALA looked like an army of players over there. As sophs, he would whack them down in numbers dramatically. Bear would pay back favors to big time boosters by recruiting their kids so they could say their sons played for the Crimson Turds. It was pathetic, really.
 
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As an aside, Lester McClain was the first player to LETTER in the SEC as a black. The first player RECRUITED was Albert "Sonny" Davis "Alcoa's great Negro running back" but UT did not admit him after he had signed his scholly papers. :disappointed: There was a lot of hullaballoo around his recruiting much of it centered about his <GASP> dating a white cheerleader.

"Passing the Plaudits of History" | The Vol Historian | GoVolsXtra.com

Davis left for TSU and brother did that recruiting fiasco hurt us. We lost Ed "Too Tall "Jones, Joe Gilliam, Woody Wynn and a host of other NFL caliber players to TSU between 67-71.

:bash:
 
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Ari Silverstein said:
In a similar thread, a poster commented that Condredge wasn't all that crazy about the "The Color Orange". As I watched, I couldn't come up with a reason other than having to through Chesney a pass and the minuscule amount of coverage given his wife and son. In case you missed her, she is white.

I got a sense of there being an issue, perhaps not. Not an issue in the marriage but an issue in the subject of a black-white marriage.

I am surprised that Condredge came out of his mostly private shell to do "The Color Orange" especially with Chesney. IMO, Chesney is a phony through and through, if you don't believe me, ask Renee Zellweger. :crazy:
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could be a very simple reason that he's a humble man and wasn't comforatable with the attention nor having to relive some of the negative stuff he had to deal with.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
could be a very simple reason that he's a humble man and wasn't comforatable with the attention nor having to relive some of the negative stuff he had to deal with.
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I'll grant you that.

But imo, Condredge missed a great chance to push himself forward for the AD spot when they get around to firing HammyTon. Maybe he doesn't want it, I have always felt Condredge's placement as AAD was HammyTon not hiring someone who could replace him.

Humility isn't on the "required requisite" list for AD.
 
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Ari Silverstein said:
True story. I saw a UT-Alabam frosh football game and ALA looked like an army of players over there. As sophs, he would whack them down in numbers dramatically. Bear would pay back favors to big time boosters by recruiting their kids so they could say their sons played for the Crimson Turds. It was pathetic, really.
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Like Carson Anderson being on scholarship here?

It happened everywhere back then and still happens today.
 
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I thought a lot of the other 30/30 were better.. Especially the SMU story. That one always fascinated me because I never knew what happened there.
 
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Taped it Tuesday night and just watched it.

CH definitely came across as a perfect example of a Vol For Life. He gave the impression of being a man of character (refusing a legal bribe from the Baseball Scout, respecting Bryant telling him truthfully that he wouldn't play QB @ UA) as well as a huge football talent.

Man it was great hearing John Ward call those games. I also like the JW interview - you could tell he was playing to the camera - what a talent. Man I miss that guy.

What about that Ga Tech play - I counted and eleven guys really did touch him on that TD run ! :eek:hmy:

I didn't realize that he played in the CFL. Seemed like he did pretty well. I didn't buy the implication that his not being allowed to play QB in the NFL as racisim. IHMO a 5'7'' college QB who had a poor Senior season would have a hard time getting drafted today.

I also thought the family part was a little weird. It came across as a split somehow in the relationship. Could be just a poor job in the cutting room.

Man I really enjoyed the footage of old UT games. Made me want to hurry up and get to Fall !

Regardless it made me proud to have Condredge Holloway as a Vol and especially to have him at the University now. What a testimony for the program.

VFL Baby ! :rock:
 
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