The Cold Hard Truth About Fulmers Future!

#52
#52
General Jack said:
Its interesting that so many reliable sources have great information, when most likely, I'd put it at 90%, hambone isn't even exactly sure how everything is going to go down yet.

However, I agree with the OP that revenue is the biggest driver in this whole thing. Hammy is a CPA and not a Vol. His focuses are on bottom line, keeping his back slappin' pal in his roost, and spewing politically correct but meaningless soundbytes about the Tennessee football experience (code for wins/losses aren't the item of #1 importance), while backtracking on his pubic expectations to meet the abilities of his inept football head coach.
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The problem is that most VASF contributors are not going to stop giving and lose their place "in line".
 
#53
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utwyatt said:
What I am about to say is not speculation its reality. I have been a donor for 15 years now and I annually give $4,000 to $7,500. And during this time I have became friends with the majority of the alumni and major contributors. And as sick to my stomach as it makes me these are the cold hard facts from what I have gathered.

1. Zero Chance of a any coaching changes at any position till year end.

2. And this one makes me almost vomit. Coach Fulmer will be our coach for at least 2-3 more seasons.

3. Coach Clawson as well as 4-5 other asst. coaches will be dismissed season end.

4. Tennessee has a short and I mean very short list of any suitable replacements. Mainly because the majority of the head coaches that are capable of running a top notch program have an average age of 52-57. The university has no interest to hire anyone over the age of 45 simply because if a coaching change is made at the top they want someone who can lead the program for a minimum of 12-15 yrs.

5. The University has no intention at this time in spending the $5.25 to $6 million it would cost to buy out the remaining part of Coach Fulmers contract.

6. And as long as myself and the tens and tens of thousands of others kept spending their hard earned money in support of Coach Fulmer no changes will ever be made. That is why after this year I will no longer support the university or Mike Hamilton.
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I don't put much stock in any of these "insider' information threads, however this is probalby the way it will play out. The only difference is he may have another great year in the next two to three years and will then stay on indefinately, ala Joe Pa at Penn State.
 
#54
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Gcrop said:
The problem is that most VASF contributors are not going to stop giving and lose their place "in line".
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The line isn't as long as you might think. I purchased lower level season tix (Z11 row 18) from the UTAD with NO VASF donation this summer. These seats aren't where the "heavy hitters" sit but the ante for the opportunity to purchase these ducats is typically in the 1000 dollar range. I'm sitting next to long time ticket holders (20-42 years running) who were displaced a few years ago when MH came up with tiered donation seating. This isn't the 90's. Seat are not that hard to get.
 
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vtvol98 said:
The line isn't as long as you might think. I purchased lower level season tix (Z11 row 18) from the UTAD with NO VASF donation this summer. These seats aren't where the "heavy hitters" sit but the ante for the opportunity to purchase these ducats is typically in the 1000 dollar range. I'm sitting next to long time ticket holders (20-42 years running) who were displaced a few years ago when MH came up with tiered donation seating. This isn't the 90's. Seat are not that hard to get.
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My parents sit in S and neither them nor any of their surrounding "seatmates" are changing any donations. I will not argue that the line is not near as long as it once was.
 
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vol271998 said:
Joe pa
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Fulmer. The man is a disaster. His record over the last seven/eight years is TERRIBLE. The program is a shadow of what it was in the 90s. Fulmer lucked into a national title--we had a very good team, but miracle win over florida (the gators outplayed us but had five turnovers, miracle win over arky and beat fla. state's third-string QB---and we've been stuck with this well-meaning but not-very-astute coach for WAAAAY too long.

Fire Clawson? Who the hell hired Clawson and then fu&ked with his decision-making. Who the hell would hire the next OC? Exactly. Here is a man with a QB who is stinking up the joint against auburn--a game in which we have the ball on their side of the field for the entire second half and yet cannot make a friggin' first down, and he won't try another QB? And we're worried about recruiting? Spurrier used to needle Fulmer with all his "workin' hard" BS--saying there is a difference between working smart and working hard. How right he was!

As for Joepa: The most selfish coach who ever lived. Yea, he's got a good team this year--after 15 years of utter mediocrity. Maybe Fulmer will have another good team in 2018! And yes, donors should stop contributing--that and a half empty stadium will ensure the Philster's outster.
 
#57
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TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
I could believe this. We all know Hamilton loves Fulmer...no other sane man would have given Fulmer that ridiculous contract that he got last year. And I dont think that the University wants to spend the 6 million it would cost to buy out Fulmer. I mean, people...we've been here before in 2005, almost to a T. Our defense was competent, our offense was terrible and the oc was unpopular. We fired the oc and Fulmer survived.

Clawson will be fired, he'll be the scapegoat.

Plus another thing to think about is recruiting. I guarantee you what has happened at Clemson, where right after they fired Bowden they lost one 5* and two 4* players with the possibility of losing more, has/will be weighing in on the decision makers. Our talent level is thin...I dont know if we can AFFORD to lose what players we have recruited so far (our class so far is ranked #7 in the country).

I am NOT saying this is what I want to happen. I want Fulmer gone. But that contract might keep him around. And we have no one to blame more for the contract then Hamilton.
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If MH makes his decision based on the recruiting class for one year, then he seriously needs to be removed from his post of AD. The recruiting class will just be a casualty of the situation if CPF is let go. To let a few high school kids with 4 stars by their name on paper influence such a huge decision would be ridiculous.
 
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#58
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Volballfan said:
Finally an intelligent post from someone who understands how UT really works ... IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE ... Until the fan base as a whole understands this concept and stops donating to the FB program (VASF), buying tickets, merchandise, etc., a select few donors like Haslam and Fulmer's buddy from Chattanooga will continue calling the shots in regards to this FB program. WHEN ARE THE REAL FANS GOING TO STAND UP, REVOLT, AND DO WHAT MUST BE DONE TO TAKE THIS PROGRAM BACK TO IT'S PROUD TRADITION? As for me, i practice what i preach. I used to be a VASF contributor of the Silver Victor club. It was evident to me a number of years ago, the program lacked the leadership, passion and discipline necessary to be one of the elite programs in college FB. and my donations stopped ! Unfortunately the majority of the UT fan base has chosen to vent their disapproval through message boards and call in shows, rather than through the mighty dollar, the only thing UT understands. Maybe for the betterment of the program and the university in general, you people will get a clue eventually. God can only hope !
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Hat ?
 
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Gcrop said:
The problem is that most VASF contributors are not going to stop giving and lose their place "in line".
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Yeah, but as the demand drops its not going to be hard to get in. I almost bought season tickets for the first time this year (thank God I didn't). It wasn't going to cost that much to be well assured of getting in.
 
#62
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Sherman from Niota said:
If MH makes his decision based on the recruiting class for one year, then he seriously needs to be removed from his post of AD. The recruiting class will just be a casualty of the situation if CPF is let go. To let a few high school kids with 4 stars by their name on paper influence such a huge decision would be ridiculous.
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Fulmer has taken ranked, talented recruits and turned them into average players at best. So what is the loss?
 
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General Jack said:
Yeah, but as the demand drops its not going to be hard to get in. I almost bought season tickets for the first time this year (thank God I didn't). It wasn't going to cost that much to be well assured of getting in.
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Again, I wasn't saying it wouldn't be easy to get season tickets. Just that there are many VASFers that will keep the money rolling in for fear of losing their place and exact seats.
 
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Gcrop said:
Again, I wasn't saying it wouldn't be easy to get season tickets. Just that there are many VASFers that will keep the money rolling in for fear of losing their place and exact seats.
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You are right. There will always be that social crowd that shows up for the party whether we're 12-0 or 0-12. That crowd is counterproductive to the effort for change, along with the "hey, phil's won 75% of his games over the past 16 years" crowd that fails to look at the trend since '98.
 
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General Jack said:
You are right. There will always be that social crowd that shows up for the party whether we're 12-0 or 0-12. That crowd is counterproductive to the effort for change, along with the "hey, phil's won 75% of his games over the past 16 years" crowd that fails to look at the trend since '98.
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Trust me, my parents (and from what they say, everyone around them) want him gone as much as anyone.
 
#67
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Gcrop said:
Trust me, my parents (and from what they say, everyone around them) want him gone as much as anyone.
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That illustrates the very difficult dilemma that fans are in. You want to support the school and players, attend the games and buy the merchandise. But doing so perpetuates the failing regime.

The fans are being used.
 
#68
#68
General Jack said:
That illustrates the very difficult dilemma that fans are in. You want to support the school and players, attend the games and buy the merchandise. But doing so perpetuates the failing regime.

The fans are being used.
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Agreed.
 
#70
#70
3L with debt said:
Why do I have the feeling that this is a legit post?

If so, I can see an argument for all the points except 4 and 5. Everyone wants longevity but I think that you hire the best regardless of age (given good health). And #5 just speaks to commitment.

You know, I often wondered how embarrassing it must have been for Bama's AD to swoon over Saban and return time and time again to offer the job. Now, I just see it as complete and total dedication to making the program relevant again. Who wouldn't want a guy like that for their AD?[/QUOTE

I feel the same way! For those of you idiots that think this is bull......you haven't paid attention to how things have always been run on the Hill especially the football program. besides posts like this seem to give you all the opportunity to show how little the rest of you really know! :banghead2:
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#71
#71
If he cans a bunch of coaches (again).....what decent coach in his right mind would come here knowing it would be a short term gig because either the HC will be gone or if things go wrong they will get thrown under the bus?
 
#72
#72
cd12 said:
If he cans a bunch of coaches (again).....what decent coach in his right mind would come here knowing it would be a short term gig because either the HC will be gone or if things go wrong they will get thrown under the bus?
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The same kind that would go work at Auburn.
 
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cd12 said:
If he cans a bunch of coaches (again).....what decent coach in his right mind would come here knowing it would be a short term gig because either the HC will be gone or if things go wrong they will get thrown under the bus?
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That is exactly what I was thinking last year.
 
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