The coaches or the players to blame?

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IndianaVolunteer

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I've seen a lot of different opinions on here mostly consisting of "fahr Butch" and all that non sense.

After watching the game last night there is one thing that really stood out to be. If you check out that Callaway TD you will notice Foreman and Mosely both lose interest/think the play is over/lack of effort resulting in the TD.

The defense let this team down. I saw this on multiple plays. If the defensive players had the 63 mentality, Callaway doesn't score.

I want Butch to be the guy, regardless, he will leave this place more appealing in another coach is hired.
 
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Look, the coaches have really been bad in our two losses. Some real head scratchers. But in both games, they did put this team in MULTIPLE positions to make 1 play and win.

If someone said "While playing Oklahoma, all the players would need to do is make 1 play out of 10 chances to ice the game, do you think we win?" I would say "Sure. Those odds are great!". I could say the same thing against FL.

Like it or not, the staff despite all the gaffes did put this team in mulitple chances to make 1 play and go home 4-0. And we came up 0 for 20 (or so) in both games to put us at 2-2.

The blame, IMO, can be spread around.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
I've seen a lot of different opinions on here mostly consisting of "fahr Butch" and all that non sense.

After watching the game last night there is one thing that really stood out to be. If you check out that Callaway TD you will notice Foreman and Mosely both lose interest/think the play is over/lack of effort resulting in the TD.

The defense let this team down. I saw this on multiple plays. If the defensive players had the 63 mentality, Callaway doesn't score.

I want Butch to be the guy, regardless, he will leave this place more appealing in another coach is hired.
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Foreman was diving in the endzone still trying to tackle Callaway. He didn't give up on that play... Or if he did, not as much as Moseley.

In all honesty, neither one of them should see the field at any Power 5 Conference school.
 
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The coaching staff put our secondary in soft coverage all afternoon including every fourth down passing attempt.... which they all completed. There was zero tight coverage and we just let them pass and catch at will. They do not have a world class QB and stable of WRs. We got zero pressure on the QB all day. The defense was on the field, once again, the entire game because our OC(coaching staff) wanted to run the ball up the middle every play... The defense is coached and told where to line up and how to play and were out there for four quarters.... the players, while making some mistakes, overall did not let us down.... the coaches who coached them and put them in those positions and taught them where to be in practice let us down.
 
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Butch needs to hire a Gameday Coach to manage the game on gameday since he has no clue.
 
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Could the players have made enough plays to win in spite of the terrible coaching decisions? Yes.

Did the players play well enough to win without the terrible coaching decisions? Yes.

The players shouldn't have to pick up the slack from the coaching staff.
 
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Please. Dobbs and Hurd abused those guys last night. Kamara made them look stupid in limited time, as well. The defense held the Gators in check when not forced to sit back and give Grier all day to pass. We had better players today. For all the youth excuses we get, we let a freshman QB who has been relatively unimpressive to this point win the game by not pressuring him when it mattered.
 
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I believe CBJ is a good coach and we know he's a great recruiter. I would, at least for a while, like to not hear about charts and analytics and sleep coaches and hover boards and hear more talk about yanking up our jocks, buckling our chin straps and taking the game to our opponents. I may be outdated and way wrong, but I'm not sure Belichek, Saban, Meyer and other top coaches rely on charts to make their major decisions. I think, they rely on their guts and their players. I remember seeing a preseason practice where the ohio state university wrestled over a truck tire. Not very high tech but seems to be effective. So let's back off the high tech a little and play hard nosed football. Oh, and no more eric ainge at the smart board during the CBJ show.
 
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jenkins76 said:
Please. Dobbs and Hurd abused those guys last night. Kamara made them look stupid in limited time, as well. The defense held the Gators in check when not forced to sit back and give Grier all day to pass. We had better players today. For all the youth excuses we get, we let a freshman QB who has been relatively unimpressive to this point win the game by not pressuring him when it mattered.
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This is a major part of why I just can't support Butch until he changes this Offense and this pansy-esque/OBVIOUSLY PREDICTABLE gameplan the damn second they get up by Two Touchdowns.

Kamara was a 5* HB, and he barely gets the ball. We have Marquez North, Von Pearson, Pig Howard, Preston Williams, and Jauan Jennings. And who do we throw to the majority of the time? Josh Smith, Johnathan Johnson, and Ethan Wolf. What is the damn point of recruiting all these 4/5* Wide Receivers when they don't even get looked at for a pass?? What was the point of Kamara if we use him the same way we use Hurd even though they have two TOTALLY separate play styles??? This staff is totally ruining these kids possible professional careers. Every year we say "Marquez is due for a big year" and "he won't be back after his Junior year". Well, he probably will be because he basically NEVER gets the ball!! One of the most talented Wide Receivers in the COUNTRY is having his talent wasted. Last time I checked, I thought you won football games by utilizing your BEST talent... But, maybe that's just me..

This coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball is totally clueless and the absolute worst in the country. After 3 years of this "conservative" play calling where we are now 0-4 in big games, 0-2 the past 3 weeks. And there was a stat, just to point out how freakin pathetic this is, and it says that this year teams are 188-3 when leading by 14 points in the 4th Quarter. Tennessee has 2 of those 3 losses.

And as if that bad isn't enough, now players and their parents are getting pissed at the insanely idiotic play calling the staff comes up with. We have USA Today articles telling Butch to actually coach with Common Sense. We have an SEC Analyst saying "Butch Jones is being very Butch Jones" right now. Hell, even Rocky Top Insider blasted Butch saying his in game coaching could be labeled as "incompetent".

This stuff has GOT to stop if we want to win any sort of big game in the future... And the sad thing is... It won't.

EDIT: UT's top 3 WR's have combined for 19 rec for 267 yards & 3 TDs this year.

Yesterday, TCU's Josh Doctson had 18 rec for 267 yards & 3 TDs.

Let that sink in for a bit...
 
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I mean, we've got consecutive top 5 classes and we are heading into next week needing a win against Arkansas in order for Butch to stay even with Derek Dooley in the W-L column. Do you think it's players or coaches?
 
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Well, coaches didn't help much late. not really debatable.

not being able to stop FL on 4th down...every time....someone needs to make a play. and no one did. i can't put this all on the players. overall, i think they played their butts off.

that said, defensively, we didn't play great, and made a bad UF offense look pretty damn good. no way we should have ever given up 4th and 14.

at the same time, it should have never come down to that.
 
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The coaches brought in all this talent. A handful of busts is to be expected. This team fails all over because the coaching staff isn't coaching them up properly and makes poor game day decisions. At the end of the day, it comes down to the coaches bottom line.
 
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Bits and pieces from posts seem valid. This one might not, but I'll say it anyway. I wonder how bad calls in past games affected our players. Coaches no doubt responded by teaching them to be more careful, to avoid play which allows zebras to make bad calls, like PI. On the fourth down pass to Callaway, there were two DBs standing flat-footed on either side of him, as if they were waiting for the receiver to catch the ball before making a move. Why did they do that unless they were coached to avoid another bad PI call by zebras? I think that bad calls in past games affected our coaching in ways which led to bad defensive play.
 
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I can't blame yesterdays loss entirely on the coaches, the defense was suspect yesterday. Someone has to step up on 4th down and make a play. We could really use Gaulden at this point and how's that Martin kid coming along?
 
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oryankees said:
Foreman was diving in the endzone still trying to tackle Callaway. He didn't give up on that play... Or if he did, not as much as Moseley.

In all honesty, neither one of them should see the field at any Power 5 Conference school.
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He slowed up when the catch was made and looked like Callaway was pinned in; then he tried to run him down from behind after it was too late.
 
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oryankees said:
Foreman was diving in the endzone still trying to tackle Callaway. He didn't give up on that play... Or if he did, not as much as Moseley.

In all honesty, neither one of them should see the field at any Power 5 Conference school.
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The reason Callaway was open on that play to begin with was because Tennessee was in soft coverage plus the QB had all day to find him (only rushed three). Both Foreman and Moseley were sleep walking on coverage. If you watch the replay you will see Foreman "trotting" as he looks for someone else to make the tackle. Chasing Callaway into the end zone is too little too late. Foreman and Moseley have no business on the field.
 
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VolunteerTitan3 said:
I can't blame yesterdays loss entirely on the coaches, the defense was suspect yesterday. Someone has to step up on 4th down and make a play. We could really use Gaulden at this point and how's that Martin kid coming along?
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I'd be willing to guess he can't be any worse than Moseley.............. He and TKellyjr should switch jersey numbers.if you throw to whom ever Moseley is covering it's more than likely 6
 
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VOODOO DIABLO said:
The reason Callaway was open on that play to begin with was because Tennessee was in soft coverage plus the QB had all day to find him (only rushed three). Both Foreman and Moseley were sleep walking on coverage. If you watch the replay you will see Foreman "trotting" as he looks for someone else to make the tackle. Chasing Callaway into the end zone is too little too late. Foreman and Moseley have no business on the field.
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Funny you bring up DBs when discussing whether or not it is coaches or players. You know how many times Martinez was fired in the years right before we hired him?
 
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