the coach isn't the problem

[Wolfeman_Vol]

We won games because of talent and assistant coaches like Cut. We won in spite of Fulmer

152-52. Phillip Fulmer coaching record. Who got those players in here? The coach. Who hired Cut? The head coach. I can't believe people actually think Fulmer (who admittedly grew way too complacent in his later years) had nothing to do with the success of our Vols. he's a hall of fame, national championship winning coach who dominated for years. Give me a break with the Fulmer couldn't coach crap. Butch Jones is nowhere near the coach Phil was. Not yet, and maybe never.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Part of being a good HBC is hiring good coordinators and letting them do their job.

You undercut your entire argument with the first three words above: "We won games...."

We will win a lot of games because of talent

 

[vol24/7/365]

No. NO. NO. I cannot stand when we play to hold a lead for 3quarters, our OC is exposed on national TV for being past his prime and I can guarantee you there are plenty of folks finally questioning the ability of this coaching staff. This team has too much talent to blow that. We have one of the best WR corp in the country and they just ran routes all night. I guess I watched a different game. This coaching staff is in DEEP trouble.

I totally agree. I have been saying it. I always got flamed. CBJ is a great recruiter! He has to back it up with wins. I am so tired of hearing we are young, we are thin. BS we will always be young in certain positions. We will always be thin at certain positions. Every year.
I am not calling for anyone's head yet. But I hope to hell all the coaches learn from this loss!

 

[vol24/7/365]

152-52. Phillip Fulmer coaching record. Who got those players in here? The coach. Who hired Cut? The head coach. I can't believe people actually think Fulmer (who admittedly grew way too complacent in his later years) had nothing to do with the success of our Vols. he's a hall of fame, national championship winning coach who dominated for years. Give me a break with the Fulmer couldn't coach crap. Butch Jones is nowhere near the coach Phil was. Not yet, and maybe never.

Amen!

 

[Orangeslice13]

152-52. Phillip Fulmer coaching record. Who got those players in here? The coach. Who hired Cut? The head coach. I can't believe people actually think Fulmer (who admittedly grew way too complacent in his later years) had nothing to do with the success of our Vols. he's a hall of fame, national championship winning coach who dominated for years. Give me a break with the Fulmer couldn't coach crap. Butch Jones is nowhere near the coach Phil was. Not yet, and maybe never.

Couldn't be Florida with Manning.
Doesn't win a title with out a gift pass interference at Syracuse. And a fumble vs Arky.

Fulmer came along when there was a lack of coaching talent in the SEC. He wasn't eliet.

 

[ftsandersvol]

Did anybody forget the way Oklahoma destroyed the Vols last season? HUH? Good grief we just played a great team and went nose to nose. Yeah we didn't win, but whining and crying isn't going to do any good. I'm not ashamed of the coach or the team. The fan base has went insane. I bet you 100% of the people complaining would be singing Butch Jones praises if they beat Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. This team doesn't need a better coach ... Just a better fan base.

Jones, ultimately, has responsibility on how the team does. However, DeBord's play calling gave the game to OU. Throw in the fact we blew a 4th quarter 14-point lead and essentially got beat by the OC of East Carolina, this loss shouldn't sit well with anybody.

 

[DaddyChad]

Did anybody forget the way Oklahoma destroyed the Vols last season? HUH? Good grief we just played a great team and went nose to nose. Yeah we didn't win, but whining and crying isn't going to do any good. I'm not ashamed of the coach or the team. The fan base has went insane. I bet you 100% of the people complaining would be singing Butch Jones praises if they beat Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. This team doesn't need a better coach ... Just a better fan base.

What did the 103k fans that showed up to watch this epic chokejob do wrong? Jones can still turn it around but his whole mindset has to change. You cannot get away with that Big East mentality that an opponent will wilt when you get up a few scores.

 

[Obsessed]

Couldn't be Florida with Manning.
Doesn't win a title with out a gift pass interference at Syracuse. And a fumble vs Arky.

Fulmer came along when there was a lack of coaching talent in the SEC. He wasn't eliet.

Lol.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

But do you want to start over again. I really don't want to go through another coaching change, Hell, we change every year in basketball

Nobody is saying he needs to be fired. At the same time I don't want to hear his cliches and excuses today. "73.12658% of our roster is young. Over half of our individuals have never played a game in Neyland Stadium. 1% better". He needs to own this loss.

 

[igotworms]

Lol.

Phil,
What's so funny?
He's exactly right

 

[vol24/7/365]

Couldn't be Florida with Manning.
Doesn't win a title with out a gift pass interference at Syracuse. And a fumble vs Arky.

Fulmer came along when there was a lack of coaching talent in the SEC. He wasn't eliet.

We have moved on from all former coaches. This is the here and now. We have got to get the wins. We 4/5 star recruits. We have the talent. This loss is on the coaches!

 

[Orangeslice13]

Lol.

Elite coaches don't get fired. They retire. Clearly you are having trouble grasping reality. Getting old will do that to you. It's either been to long or the dump truck fumes have messed up your memories.

Let's try it another way. Would it help you understand what I'm saying if we compared Butch to Mark Richt?

Good recruiter, average coach, not real good on game day, will win some games but lose a few he shouldn't. Will never win a NC without a **** load of luck. (See CPF)

 

[apevol]

My problem with Butch is simple..
You can't have a spread option football team and play cautious. If it isn't scoring it isn't moving, and you can't play ball control if you spend 10 seconds a play getting 2 yards a play. Either get agressive or get rid of the fast pace

 

[sjt18]

Did anybody forget the way Oklahoma destroyed the Vols last season? HUH? Good grief we just played a great team and went nose to nose. Yeah we didn't win, but whining and crying isn't going to do any good. I'm not ashamed of the coach or the team. The fan base has went insane. I bet you 100% of the people complaining would be singing Butch Jones praises if they beat Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. This team doesn't need a better coach ... Just a better fan base.

Yes. The coach IS the problem.

Jones MUST... not may... MUST change his thinking if he is to EVER win at a high level in the SEC. On multiple occasions now he's tried to "manage" games rather than WIN games. Only a fool would have believed 17 points was going to win this game. But instead of opening up the offense when he repeatedly had great field position... he went ultra conservative and hoped the clock would run out before OU figure things out. It didn't... and worse yet IT NEVER WILL against a top tier opponent.

 

[DD4ME]

It's on both.
Ellis catches the TD we win
Make the FG we win
Dobbs hit pig in the hands instead of the dirt we win
3 drive extending penalties in the last 2 OU drives caused the loss
Better play calling in the 2nd half makes a huge difference.
Going for it on 4th and goal from the half and we win.

Realistically the coaches put the team in position to win but the kids didn't execute.

It's on both

Agree. Team loss.

 

[EZE]

We will win a lot of games because of talent

I'm not sure of that right now.

 

[sjt18]

This is football. There are always going to be mistakes and misplays and bad calls. But I would far rather lose taking my best shot than lose trying to play it safe.

You can't run the ball unless you get the opposing D off the LOS. To do that, you have to throw something down field.... The only way UT could have been more predictable after building their lead... is if they let OU's DC call the plays.

 

[sjt18]

We will win a lot of games because of talent

And if Jones doesn't change his game philosophy... UT will LOSE a lot of winnable games because of coaching.

Think back to USCe last year. Circumstances forced Jones to open up on O. What happened? Dobbs and UT exploded. They were unstoppable. Why was UT in position to be desperate? Jones played conservative trying to "manage" the game.

WIN THE GAME. TAKE THE FIGHT TO THE OPPONENT!

 

[Obsessed]

Elite coaches don't get fired. They retire. Clearly you are having trouble grasping reality. Getting old will do that to you. It's either been to long or the dump truck fumes have messed up your memories.

Let's try it another way. Would it help you understand what I'm saying if we compared Butch to Mark Richt?

Good recruiter, average coach, not real good on game day, will win some games but lose a few he shouldn't. Will never win a NC without a **** load of luck. (See CPF)

Again lol

You remind me of LG with this post.

It's always bush's fault for the current administrations short comings.

What does Fulmer have to do with any of this? Why you choose to compare the two is beyond me. Maybe you needed to feel better about jones showing his inability to coach last night. Fulmer is a great coach. The "Hall of Fame" agrees.
Jones is in way over his head. One thing about Fulmer though, we were in Atlanta, at least once every three years. We won the east consistently.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

So the coach made Foreman run over the WR in the endzone. The coach made us miss a ton of tackles/sacks. The coach missed the field goal. The coach made several absolutely dumb penalties that extended OU drives. Dobbs was absolutely terrible last night.

THIS game was on the players!!!

Who's responsible for Dobbs? Who's responsible for preparing and correcting Medley? WTF do we spend $6 mil a year on a staff for, if they're not responsible? They're 18-22 year old amateurs. Butch and Co are overpaid professionals; its always their responsibilities.

 

[RockyMtnsVol]

This post is so ignorant I just can't stand it! Our 4 best WRs had 3 touches between the 4 of them! North has 9 yards for the season so far! This isn't alarming to you?

I watched a post game interview with Kerbyson (OL) and he says "We don't call the plays, we just run them". I can't believe he said it but that just shows how the players feel. Worst coaching ever!

 

[chargervol]

This is football. There are always going to be mistakes and misplays and bad calls. But I would far rather lose taking my best shot than lose trying to play it safe.

You can't run the ball unless you get the opposing D off the LOS. To do that, you have to throw something down field.... The only way UT could have been more predictable after building their lead... is if they let OU's DC call the plays.

I want to agree but as bad as Dobbs was throwing last night, "down the field" most likely results in far more turnovers.

I really like Dobbs but he was just off last night.

 

[VolFootballlover]

Elite coaches don't get fired. They retire. Clearly you are having trouble grasping reality. Getting old will do that to you. It's either been to long or the dump truck fumes have messed up your memories.

Let's try it another way. Would it help you understand what I'm saying if we compared Butch to Mark Richt?

Good recruiter, average coach, not real good on game day, will win some games but lose a few he shouldn't. Will never win a NC without a **** load of luck. (See CPF)

butch couldn't hold Richtes clip board .

 

[dlgary13]

Stop making excuses. Tennessee shouldn't have lost that game under those circumstances. Period.

The Tennessee many of us grew up on, agreed 100%.

The Tennessee left in shambles after 4 coaches in 6 years, yet is showing signs of improvement, I can live with it. Do we need to dig up tape on Okie last year, Oregon the year before that, and so on? Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was this program.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

This is football. There are always going to be mistakes and misplays and bad calls. But I would far rather lose taking my best shot than lose trying to play it safe.

You can't run the ball unless you get the opposing D off the LOS. To do that, you have to throw something down field.... The only way UT could have been more predictable after building their lead... is if they let OU's DC call the plays.

This. If you want players to make plays, you have to take some risk in the play calling. I also thought the defensive play calling / schemes got conservative at the end.

What bothers me is that CBJ doesn't seem to learn from these type of games.