The Chief.....

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Cartervol said:
I don't think you could ever get Chavis to come back here... He was attached at the hip to Phil and that's where he'll leave it.. You would be wanting him gone after the first 3rd and a mile he gave up anyway...
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Exactly. I think Mark Twain once said (something along the lines) they never remember all the good things I do...but they always remember the times I do one bad thing.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Cartervol said:
I don't think you could ever get Chavis to come back here... He was attached at the hip to Phil and that's where he'll leave it.. You would be wanting him gone after the first 3rd and a mile he gave up anyway...[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I think Mark Twain once said (something along the lines) they never remember all the good things I do...but they always remember the times I do one bad thing.
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It was more than once...
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Blackmarket803 said:
When the defense gets critical stops, the offense goes 3 and out, they suck when they need to be good.

Check the game tape before you start throwing insults around, stats don't tell the story.
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Actually you are incorrect. Check the tape...SC last drive was not a three and out. Partial drive resulting in fumble. Same with MSU and UGA. Also, three and outs occurred in the last game in the third into the fourth but then it was explosive play after another.

I will give you this, we have trouble sustaining drives due to bizarre play calls with low percentage plays being attempted in obvious running downs, banking on using 4th down, etc...

You may just be letting emotion drive the train.
 
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deckerkd said:
Please remember that Dooley inherited an all star offense in Bray, Hunter, the O line and Neil, who has been coached up very well by J Graham. None of these were recruits of Dooley. Now imagine if UT keeps him and these players leave and they soon will, what will the condition of a Dooley recruited and Dooley coached offense will be.
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I think you need to keep up with recruiting a little better if you honestly believe this!
 
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Even in the 05 and 08 seasons UT was still a top 15 defense so yeah Chavis was a good D coordinator. I thought after last year when Wilcox left that they should have put up the money for him to come back.
 
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Vol logic said:
Actually you are incorrect. Check the tape...SC last drive was not a three and out. Partial drive resulting in fumble. Same with MSU and UGA. Also, three and outs occurred in the last game in the third into the fourth but then it was explosive play after another.

I will give you this, we have trouble sustaining drives due to bizarre play calls with low percentage plays being attempted in obvious running downs, banking on using 4th down, etc...

You may just be letting emotion drive the train.
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Chance to beat SC on the last drive....Turnover
MULTIPLE chances to beat UGA in the 2nd half....Turnover(s)
3rd qtr when the D stepped up vs MSU....3 and out(s)
Chance to score on Bama before the 2nd half and keep it a game (pass to Pig)....Turnover in the endzone
2nd half of FL game when it was tied....3 and outs

The offense does not get it done in crunch time.
 
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For all Chief's faults, he saved Fulmer's job over and over again.. He's a solid defensive coordinator.. Tennessee's problem right now is more about speed and getting a few pass rushers that teams have to game plan around.. They should have never tried a new system in a year Dooley needed wins.. If anything hire Sal, evaluate and see that the way it was was the best thing for the personnel you had.. They threw too much at these kids and they couldn't handle it.. Now they've tuned them out and you see no progress at all...
 
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Blackmarket803 said:
Chance to beat SC on the last drive....Turnover
MULTIPLE chances to beat UGA in the 2nd half....Turnover(s)
3rd qtr when the D stepped up vs MSU....3 and out(s)
Chance to score on Bama before the 2nd half and keep it a game (pass to Pig)....Turnover in the endzone
2nd half of FL game when it was tied....3 and outs

The offense does not get it done in crunch time.
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Glad you agree with me, three and outs have not been the problem as I stated. If you had said turnovers, specifically qb turnovers, I would have completed agreed. Two of those games are on Bray but maybe, just maybe he is learning, aka Troy performance.
 
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Vol logic said:
Glad you agree with me, three and outs have not been the problem as I stated. If you had said turnovers, specifically qb turnovers, I would have completed agreed. Two of those games are on Bray but maybe, just maybe he is learning, aka Troy performance.
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No offense, but Troy shouldn't even be a comparison, but you're right, it's not just 3 and outs, i should have said turnovers too. One's not better than the other though.
 
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Chavis is good when he doesn't have to recruit and the talent just comes to him. Otherwise, no thanks.
 
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deckerkd said:
Please remember that Dooley inherited an all star offense in Bray, Hunter, the O line and Neil, who has been coached up very well by J Graham. None of these were recruits of Dooley. Now imagine if UT keeps him and these players leave and they soon will, what will the condition of a Dooley recruited and Dooley coached offense will be.
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A small correction here. Dooley got Hunter who was an LSU lean to come here. He got James Stone who didn't like LK, and he got Tiny to sign. I'm not happy with the situation, but he does get credit for these guys.
 
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Spawn said:
I don't think Wilcox and the other 6 coaches left because the didn't like Dooley. They left because they could see he would be fired shortly.

I give Chaney, Graham, and Pittman credit for the offense. Graham and Pittman gave us a running game.
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It didn't help the fact Hart refused to give Wilcox a multi year contract. At least that's what I've heard.

He should have gladly given him a multi year extension instead of paying sucky Sal what he's getting. That was a dumb move. Wilcox could ran circles around Sunseri.
 
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deckerkd said:
Please remember that Dooley inherited an all star offense in Bray, Hunter, the O line and Neil, who has been coached up very well by J Graham. None of these were recruits of Dooley. Now imagine if UT keeps him and these players leave and they soon will, what will the condition of a Dooley recruited and Dooley coached offense will be.
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This is a very scary thought!
 
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Cartervol said:
For all Chief's faults, he saved Fulmer's job over and over again.. He's a solid defensive coordinator.. Tennessee's problem right now is more about speed and getting a few pass rushers that teams have to game plan around.. They should have never tried a new system in a year Dooley needed wins.. If anything hire Sal, evaluate and see that the way it was was the best thing for the personnel you had.. They threw too much at these kids and they couldn't handle it.. Now they've tuned them out and you see no progress at all...
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Another UT problem is defensive positioning... and that comes from quality coaching... or lack thereof. I', not bashing our team, but I am bashing the defensive coaching staff. GBO!
 
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Cyclopskiller said:
3rd and chavis is not missed by this guy.
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This always cracks me up. People crticize Chavis for using a prevent D. The reality is ALL coaches in college and the NFL use a prevent. The overwhelming percent of time it works and that's why they use it. Not using prevent is a much lower % play. Last night had VT used prevent they most likely beat FSU. It really is funny.
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deckerkd said:
Please remember that Dooley inherited an all star offense in Bray, Hunter, the O line and Neil, who has been coached up very well by J Graham. None of these were recruits of Dooley. Now imagine if UT keeps him and these players leave and they soon will, what will the condition of a Dooley recruited and Dooley coached offense will be.
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I hate to disagree with you but Neal, who the hell is Neil, was one of CDD's. Along with a good chunk of the offense line we have right now. Lane, Young, Vincent Dallas, and CP are just some of the players who have come to Tennessee on Dooley's watch. Bray was recruited by Lane. Rogers was an off the field bust but a great talent that Dooley pulled in.

I don't see him as inheriting an all-star offense without those players being involved. You are very mistaken with what you said. We have a lot of very real reasons to talk badly about CDD. The bad defense, player maturity and development, substitutions, game management, and some play calls he let go by.

However the things that he has done very well are improving the offense, pass and run game are better, depth, it's nice to have a full roster, off the field public image is better, and like it or not we have been competitive in all games this year, with the exception of Bama. Point being: You don't have to make up reasons to be mad at Dooley. You have legit reasons to moan about him without trying to fabricate.
 
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GoodoleRockyTop3 said:
Dooley has done an extremely good job with the offense....what if he had someone like John Chavis on this staff!! We would be very scary!!
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Chavis is an excellent DC who, unfortunately, has one glaring weakness that he seems t oeither refuse to overcome or is unable to overcome. And it cost LSU the game against Bama the other night, just as it cost us some big games as well.

I would want him back if I saw improvement in that area, and last week showed that is not the case. There are other good defensive coaches out there.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
This always cracks me up. People crticize Chavis for using a prevent D. The reality is ALL coaches in college and the NFL use a prevent. The overwhelming percent of time it works and that's why they use it. Not using prevent is a much lower % play. Last night had VT used prevent they most likely beat FSU. It really is funny.
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Not ALL. You're exaggerating, but I see your point. The difference is that Chief's prevent D has consistently been poorly executed, as evidenced by the number of times that it has been sliced through like a hot knife through butter. And it's happened at UT and LSU, over a period of a decade or so, so it is not an isolated incident. It's a pattern. He needs to spend some time evaluating how he's doing it and studying other coaches' use of it to see where he can improve.

If Chavis could lock that up he would probably become the best DC in college football very quickly. I like him a lot, he's a great man and I would love to see him succeed at his max potential.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
Not ALL. You're exaggerating, but I see your point. The difference is that Chief's prevent D has consistently been poorly executed, as evidenced by the number of times that it has been sliced through like a hot knife through butter. And it's happened at UT and LSU, over a period of a decade or so, so it is not an isolated incident. It's a pattern. He needs to spend some time evaluating how he's doing it and studying other coaches' use of it to see where he can improve.

If Chavis could lock that up he would probably become the best DC in college football very quickly. I like him a lot, he's a great man and I would love to see him succeed at his max potential.
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All coaches use a prevent. All. And for every one time prevent fails it succeeds multiple times.

That loss LSU had falls squarely on Miles. That screen was just the perfect call. It happens to all teams. The same game last year Chavis' defense held. In the National title game last year his D was repeatedly put in a hole by the idiocy of Miles and his reluctance to change QB's and offensive scheme.

It's funny how many sports "experts" consider him at the very top of his profession. But not UT fans. Cracks me up.
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