The CFP's isnt a completely lost idea for us

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VFL-82-JP said:
Auburn and LSU are listed. All the rest you name would be lower than #12; I simply stopped there because this is, after all, just a mind-exercise to prove the Vols have no shot at the playoffs. Where those other teams land in the #13-#20 spots really has no bearing.
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Yeah, I get that its a mind game to prove there is no shot. And to add to your mind game, the teams I listes are currently ahead of us and based on assumptions of whats going to happen, several more of them are likely to remain ahead of us, for example, if Alabama gets in with two loses (AU and UT) that would mean that Auburn is currently ahead of us and would also have a win against Alabama in Tuscaloosa. Several other teams would remain ahead of us regardless of how it ends up. I think we end up 7-11 if we win out.

Personally, I think Western Michigan needs to be in there. If not, we need to divide FBS into the teams that will be considered for a Championship and those that wont, regardless of their record. I have always hated the fact that of the 128 teams in division one, only about half of them will ever be considered for a championship.
 
#127
#127
VFL-82-JP said:
You know you're dead to me, D4H; you shouldn't expect a substantive response.
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You couldn't come up with a substantive response because what you posted was straight ignorant.

LOL @ thinking 9-3 Oklahoma who plays in the weakest power 5 conference and lost its only 2 competitive out of conference games would be the highest ranked 3 loss team.

USC and Tennessee would both be ranked above Oklahoma if they were 10-3 conference champs while Oklahoma was a 9-3 conference champ.
 
#128
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Why are you focusing on the worst loss?

Playoff committee puts more emphasis on WHO YOU BEAT. And if we somehow beat #1 undefeated Alabama in the SEC Championship, that will be BY FAR the best win of the college football season. And it would definitely give us a leg up over all those 3 loss teams you mentioned. Especially 9-3 Oklahoma. Who you laughably have rated as the top 3 loss team. LOL.

Look at the current rankings. West Virginia has only 1 loss (at #11 Oklahoma State) and is ranked #14 behind 3 loss USC (whose worst loss is to #24 Stanford). WHY? Because USC has actually beaten some good teams and faced a tougher schedule. While West Virginia has played nobody.

If we win the SEC we'll have a leg up on EVERY 3 loss conference champion and EVERY 2 loss non-champion.

10-3 (SEC Champ) >>> any 10-2 (non-champ)
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What about all the 1 or 2 loss teams?
 
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volfannbama said:
Yeah, I get that its a mind game to prove there is no shot. And to add to your mind game, the teams I listes are currently ahead of us and based on assumptions of whats going to happen, several more of them are likely to remain ahead of us, for example, if Alabama gets in with two loses (AU and UT) that would mean that Auburn is currently ahead of us and would also have a win against Alabama in Tuscaloosa. Several other teams would remain ahead of us regardless of how it ends up. I think we end up 7-11 if we win out.
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Well, you may be missing some of the conditions WTM put into his scenario. For instance, WMU losing to Buffalo, or Toledo, or Ohio or Miami(Ohio) or more than one. THAT would knock them out of consideration, not simply the fact that they're Group of 5.

I said in my response that I gave Tennessee VERY favorable consideration, and weighed Conference Championship HEAVILY; that's why you see Tennessee above Auburn and LSU. It's not a good counter-proof if you don't give the original viewpoint (in this case, "Tennessee could make the playoffs") the most favorable consideration possible as you dismantle it.

As for the other teams you mentioned that are in the #13 to #20 spots, they also have ugly warts under the conditions WTM set. Go back and look, you'll see what I mean. It takes a little effort to compile it all.

Anyway, it isn't worth arguing over. Whether in this PURELY FICTIONAL and HUGELY UNLIKELY scenario Tennessee ends up #7 or #12, it doesn't matter. The point is that they have zero chance of being #4.

Let's don't waste too much time pole vaulting over it.
 
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volfannbama said:
What about all the 1 or 2 loss teams?
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We would be behind EVERY 1-loss non-champ in the power 5 and every 2-loss conference champion.

So for example if Ohio State goes 11-1 and doesn't make it to the Big 10 championship, they would still be ranked ahead of 10-3 SEC Champ Tennessee.

And if Wisconsin goes 11-2 with a win in the Big 10 championship, they would be ranked ahead of us.

As the 10-3 SEC Champ we would beat out every other 3-loss conference champion and every 2-loss non-champion (most likely).
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Haha, not you, WTM, you're good man.
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I mean, I wasn't expecting to actually re-start a debate as to whether we could get in. I meant it as you took it - that even under an absurd sequence of events that includes Louisville losing to Kentucky (wth??), we would still need a minor miracle from the committee. That was my "what have I done" comment :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Well, you may be missing some of the conditions WTM put into his scenario. For instance, WMU losing to Buffalo, or Toledo, or Ohio or Miami(Ohio) or more than one. THAT would knock them out of consideration, not simply the fact that they're Group of 5.

I said in my response that I gave Tennessee VERY favorable consideration, and weighed Conference Championship HEAVILY; that's why you see Tennessee above Auburn and LSU. It's not a good counter-proof if you don't give the original viewpoint (in this case, "Tennessee could make the playoffs") the most favorable consideration possible as you dismantle it.

As for the other teams you mentioned that are in the #13 to #20 spots, they also have ugly warts under the conditions WTM set. Go back and look, you'll see what I mean. It takes a little effort to compile it all.

Anyway, it isn't worth arguing over. Whether in this PURELY FICTIONAL and HUGELY UNLIKELY scenario Tennessee ends up #7 or #12, it doesn't matter. The point is that they have zero chance of being #4.

Let's don't waste too much time pole vaulting over it.
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You keep avoiding one simple question.

How can you justify ranking 9-3 (Big 12 champ) Oklahoma ahead of 10-3 (SEC champ) Tennessee that just beat the #1 team in the country?

Tennessee would have one more win overall. The same amount of losses. A conference championship. And a win that is more impressive than anything Oklahoma has on its resume.

You posted some crap to support your argument Tennessee has no chance in the playoffs and then won't come back and support it. I wonder why?
 
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wtmvol said:
I mean, I wasn't expecting to actually re-start a debate as to whether we could get in. I meant it as you took it - that even under an absurd sequence of events that includes Louisville losing to Kentucky (wth??), we would still need a minor miracle from the committee. That was my "what have I done" comment :)
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Heh. Every time you flip the log over, there will be worms and termites underneath. Even if you just flipped it over five minutes ago. :)
 
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#140
#140
What the hell are you guys smoking to come up with such nonsense? Hope the team doesn't find out where you are getting it :)
 
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volfannbama said:
Hopefully that sounded alot better in your head.

There are several instances where post have been pulled from this board and posted on sports sites as a gauge on the fanbases. We do it as well, as we have weekly forums talking about what other message boards are saying. Much the same other team forums do the same. And talking about a 3 loss team that has struggled in every game going to the playoffs provides alot of material for those than want to show how delusional our fanbase is.

And noone is demanding anyone spot anything, just pointing out how absurd it is. People can carry on with that nonsense all they want.
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I thought you were chastising him for the Buffy reference until the end
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Haha, WTM, nice try (which I strongly suspect was tongue-in-cheek, even satire). Even in that one-in-a-million combination of unlikely outcomes, we're still not one of the best four teams.

Based on your scenario, I recounted team records. Here's what we've got:

Best four teams:
-- Michigan, with 1 loss (B10 Champ)
-- Clemson, with 1 loss (ACC Champ)
-- Bama, with 2 losses (worst loss: Auburn)
-- _________________ (unnamed 3-loss team)

Probable Ranking Among Three-Loss Teams:
4 -- Oklahoma (B12 Champ; worst loss: Houston)
5 -- USC (PAC Champ; worst loss: Stanford)
6 -- Wisconsin (worst loss: Ohio State)
7 -- Tennessee (SEC Champ; worst loss: South Carolina)
8 -- LSU (worst loss: Auburn)
9 -- Auburn (worst loss: Georgia)
10 -- Ohio State (worst loss: Mich St)
11 -- Louisville (worst loss: Kentucky)
12 -- Nebraska (worst loss: Iowa)

(and this is me being VERY favorable to Tennessee, giving a LOT of weight to conference championships)

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So there it is. Even under the absolutely most favorable and incredibly unlikely combination of events one could come up with, we're still not even close to getting the 4th spot.

Fact is, the loss to USCe cost us that much. It cost us any chance at the playoffs. And there are no two ways around it.
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That would contradict what they've been saying then. They've been saying that who you beat means more than who you lose to. Beating Bama would definitely fit that criteria. Why would you pick out worst loss to judge them anyway? Comparison of common opponents would immediately rule USC out anyway. And you put a non Conf champ, Wisconsin ahead of UT? Spin much? And this would also mean, without a conf championship, Oklahoma would be 9-3, UT being 10-3.
 
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