Saw another thread addressing the buyout if Butch decides to leave. On the other side, what we have to pay Butch if we fire him is much steeper. Basically we keep the 2 million dollars/ per year left on the contract that the origianl contract specified. IMO, this is ridiculously irresponsible given that the next two years will tell the tale on Butch. Say he goes 5-7 next year or say he goes 7-5 and then backs that up with a 6-6 in 2016...it could happen.
Under the contract's terms, we would owe him 10 million after next year and 8 million the year after.
The jury is still very much out on Butch, so to owe him 10 million dollars for firing him next year, and 8 the year after that, is complete and utter garbage. By then Dave Hart will be in a retirement community in parts south and the University will be on the hook. This angers me as a fan and former student.
I'm glad you're angry, anyone that can't see the MAJOR improvements and steps made in the right direction of this program is a complete idiot. Butch can go 6-6, 7-5 for the next couple years and would still be doing a fine job. The "jury" still out crap that people use is pathetic. What does that even mean! Really? Who's the jury? Fans like us that make zero impact on the hire/fire process? This is what's wrong with a lot of our fans. So many of us think bc we won national titles 60-70 years ago, and won one 15 years ago, and we had peyton manning, that we are THE elite program in the nation. Well....facts are facts. I hate them as much as anyone. I want to win every game too, but that's not reality...not yet. Our football program has sucked for a while now. Yes, sucked. Our hc hires and former ad, sucked. The way majors got done after building us up from medicority, sucked. The way fulmer got done after taking that talent to the highest levels, sucked. What I'm getting at is called a realistic approach. Things around here lately have, sucked. Now, in comes coach jones. Firing away with a new philosophy, and using words like foundation, and accountability, and VFL. A man of integrity that leads by example. Who told our team captain that he was done when accusations came out about him, where at other universities you can rape, disrespect authority, steal, show zero remorse, and still remain active on the roster. Believe in him. Let the man do his thing and get behind him. We won 6 games this year playing in the toughest conference in the ncaa, with the youngest team, whose best offensive lineman was a walk-on with no acl in one of his knees. Let alone our upper classmen aren't the most talented bunch. What is so hard to see here? Everyone wants to win now, right now. Doesn't work that way. (But Gus Malzan) bull****e! Malzan recruited that team at auburn before he left for Arkansas st. He knew what he had before he ever landed back at the airport in auburn. Quit being stupid. Thanks for pissing me off. Go vols! Kick Iowas arse!
I'm glad you're angry, anyone that can't see the MAJOR improvements and steps made in the right direction of this program is a complete idiot. Butch can go 6-6, 7-5 for the next couple years and would still be doing a fine job. The "jury" still out crap that people use is pathetic. What does that even mean! Really? Who's the jury? Fans like us that make zero impact on the hire/fire process? This is what's wrong with a lot of our fans. So many of us think bc we won national titles 60-70 years ago, and won one 15 years ago, and we had peyton manning, that we are THE elite program in the nation. Well....facts are facts. I hate them as much as anyone. I want to win every game too, but that's not reality...not yet. Our football program has sucked for a while now. Yes, sucked. Our hc hires and former ad, sucked. The way majors got done after building us up from medicority, sucked. The way fulmer got done after taking that talent to the highest levels, sucked. What I'm getting at is called a realistic approach. Things around here lately have, sucked. Now, in comes coach jones. Firing away with a new philosophy, and using words like foundation, and accountability, and VFL. A man of integrity that leads by example. Who told our team captain that he was done when accusations came out about him, where at other universities you can rape, disrespect authority, steal, show zero remorse, and still remain active on the roster. Believe in him. Let the man do his thing and get behind him. We won 6 games this year playing in the toughest conference in the ncaa, with the youngest team, whose best offensive lineman was a walk-on with no acl in one of his knees. Let alone our upper classmen aren't the most talented bunch. What is so hard to see here? Everyone wants to win now, right now. Doesn't work that way. (But Gus Malzan) bull****e! Malzan recruited that team at auburn before he left for Arkansas st. He knew what he had before he ever landed back at the airport in auburn. Quit being stupid. Thanks for pissing me off. Go vols! Kick Iowas arse!
Saw another thread addressing the buyout if Butch decides to leave. On the other side, what we have to pay Butch if we fire him is much steeper. Basically we keep the 2 million dollars/ per year left on the contract that the origianl contract specified. IMO, this is ridiculously irresponsible given that the next two years will tell the tale on Butch. Say he goes 5-7 next year or say he goes 7-5 and then backs that up with a 6-6 in 2016...it could happen.
Under the contract's terms, we would owe him 10 million after next year and 8 million the year after.
The jury is still very much out on Butch, so to owe him 10 million dollars for firing him next year, and 8 the year after that, is complete and utter garbage. By then Dave Hart will be in a retirement community in parts south and the University will be on the hook. This angers me as a fan and former student.
He has a losing record. The performances the last two years haven't been particularly noteworthy. What exactly are we basing this confidence in Jones, at this point?
I think that most of us can see the improvement. However, if it does not eventually end up in winning at a high level, does it really matter. Before you go flying off the handle on one of your emotional rants, I said eventually not right now. I think that's what was meant by the jury still being out. Butch has done well in certain areas but will it translate to winnng? Time will tell.Does it really matter what I say here? All the pluses that CBJ has brought to UT have been stated, restated, stated again for the ignorant, reworded for the idiots, typed in bold letters for the hard of seeing, used pictures and stats for the non believers, etc. I can't educate the non football minds. They only look at wins and losses. Evidently they only see 1 successful team a year, the NC. I tend to think UT has been more successful than one time in my lifetime. I guess it's a point of view. I see exactly The same characteristics in CBJs program as I saw in Fulmers program early on. That is why several of us older fans are excited again in where UT is going.
I think that most of us can see the improvement. However, if it does not eventually end up in winning at a high level, does it really matter. Before you go flying off the handle on one of your emotional rants, I said eventually not right now. I think that's what was meant by the jury still being out. Butch has done well in certain areas but will it translate to winnng? Time will tell.
Does it really matter what I say here? All the pluses that CBJ has brought to UT have been stated, restated, stated again for the ignorant, reworded for the idiots, typed in bold letters for the hard of seeing, used pictures and stats for the non believers, etc. I can't educate the non football minds. They only look at wins and losses. Evidently they only see 1 successful team a year, the NC. I tend to think UT has been more successful than one time in my lifetime. I guess it's a point of view. I see exactly The same characteristics in CBJs program as I saw in Fulmers program early on. That is why several of us older fans are excited again in where UT is going.
The only thing that's surprising is that you penned that entire thing and had the nerve to call other people idiots. No one expected Jones to win a NC, that's a nonsense red herring. I hope he's better than Fulmer, as Jones coaches in a league much tougher than the one Fulmer had and he wasn't that great against any coach with a pulse in this league, anyway.
So, we have a coach who has a losing record and a track record of head coach of following Brian Kelly, but not doing as well as Kelly. We have, in two years, lost to the good or moderately good teams and beat most of the bad teams. He has recruited well, just like any UT coach that has actually tried to do so.
See what I mean? It didn't matter what I said. I can't help Ya son.
The only thing that's surprising is that you penned that entire thing and had the nerve to call other people idiots. No one expected Jones to win a NC, that's a nonsense red herring. I hope he's better than Fulmer, as Jones coaches in a league much tougher than the one Fulmer had and he wasn't that great against any coach with a pulse in this league, anyway.
So, we have a coach who has a losing record and a track record of head coach of following Brian Kelly, but not doing as well as Kelly. We have, in two years, lost to the good or moderately good teams and beat most of the bad teams. He has recruited well, just like any UT coach that has actually tried to do so.
See what I mean? It didn't matter what I said. I can't help Ya son.
You're not helping yourself. You say Butch is great and has shown so with anyone not seeing this greatness is an idiot and irredeemable. Unfortunately, you don't say anything. No, he's great just because he is. He says "Brick by Brick", "Team 118" and a million other clichés and you swoon. I don't care (and, frankly, find it annoying) because I want substance, something real.
I'll even get you started. Jones is recruiting very well, thus far. Alright, take the baton from there.
You're not helping yourself. You say Butch is great and has shown so with anyone not seeing this greatness is an idiot and irredeemable. Unfortunately, you don't say anything. No, he's great just because he is. He says "Brick by Brick", "Team 118" and a million other clichés and you swoon. I don't care (and, frankly, find it annoying) because I want substance, something real.
I'll even get you started. Jones is recruiting very well, thus far. Alright, take the baton from there.
I wish you were this relentless in your reading of the three thousand posts and threads on the subject as you are in this thread. It would answer all your questions and clear up some confusion. I'm just a lazy typer, and don't want to try and sell someone that is not buying.
You're not helping yourself. You say Butch is great and has shown so with anyone not seeing this greatness is an idiot and irredeemable. Unfortunately, you don't say anything. No, he's great just because he is. He says "Brick by Brick", "Team 118" and a million other clichés and you swoon. I don't care (and, frankly, find it annoying) because I want substance, something real.
I'll even get you started. Jones is recruiting very well, thus far. Alright, take the baton from there.
He has a losing record. The performances the last two years haven't been particularly noteworthy. What exactly are we basing this confidence in Jones, at this point?
I'll even get you started. Jones is recruiting very well, thus far. Alright, take the baton from there.
Here's a pretty blatant result... first bowl game since 2010.
There are pages and pages of facts backing up our team's improvement. But, every day some strung out hillbilly that needs to get laid rehashes this stupid ass argument.
He beat SC two years in a row. Forget how amazing they were in 2013?
He was three points away from beating Georgia...twice. Just imagine when he doesn't have freshmen littered all over the field.
He has rallied the entire base. Not easy and extremely important.
The real question is, what did you expect? 9-3? Why the heck would anyone be so obtuse?
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That's a pretty bare minimum accomplishment. It's essentially not committing coaching malpractice, a la Dooley. 6-6 is not indicative of great success on the horizon, hence "the jury is still out".
I wish you were this relentless in your reading of the three thousand posts and threads on the subject as you are in this thread. It would answer all your questions and clear up some confusion. I'm just a lazy typer, and don't want to try and sell someone that is not buying.
I've read a lot of those and, mostly, I see a lot of "rah rah" logic or he's great because, hey, look at how terrible Dooley was.