The Bullet UT Dodged?

[EZE]

that could be but I don't see how he couldn't have known there was going to be some down time from it..

I personally believe Kiffin is stupid enough to fall for anything. I do not believe the guy is very intelligent at all.

 

[razinhale]

Speak for yourself.

 

[jabber]

testing!

 

[EZE]

Speak for yourself.

It is quotes like the one below that provide the proof for me. The stupidity of this is Kiffin's implication that USC might be more powerful than the NCAA (maybe that is not what he meant, but it can certainly be perceived that way by those who count at the NCAA). I am sure this will help with the appeal:

"As you guys heard from our university earlier today, we are in the process of appealing the decisions made by the NCAA," Kiffin began. "With that, I cannot say very many things about the investigation or the decisions. But I can say this: In our mind, our fans and everyone involved in the USC program, that USC is an extremely powerful place. It's an extremely powerful university. It's an extremely powerful football program. USC has gone through a lot before. As we looked over the history of things that have happened before. If you go back to 1980, USC over a four-year span had a three-year postseason ban. After that, the next season, USC went on to win the Pac-10, went on to win the Rose Bowl, and in four of the next six years went to the Rose Bowl. So USC's been through a lot before. We will continue to play championship football. We will continue to recruit the best players in America to come here."

 

[justingroves]

It is quotes like the one below that provide the proof for me. The stupidity of this is Kiffin's implication that USC might be more powerful than the NCAA (maybe that is not what he meant, but it can certainly be perceived that way by those who count at the NCAA). I am sure this will help with the appeal:

"As you guys heard from our university earlier today, we are in the process of appealing the decisions made by the NCAA," Kiffin began. "With that, I cannot say very many things about the investigation or the decisions. But I can say this: In our mind, our fans and everyone involved in the USC program, that USC is an extremely powerful place. It's an extremely powerful university. It's an extremely powerful football program. USC has gone through a lot before. As we looked over the history of things that have happened before. If you go back to 1980, USC over a four-year span had a three-year postseason ban. After that, the next season, USC went on to win the Pac-10, went on to win the Rose Bowl, and in four of the next six years went to the Rose Bowl. So USC's been through a lot before. We will continue to play championship football. We will continue to recruit the best players in America to come here."

I see your point, but it could just as easily be construed as saying "USC will rise again".

 

[EZE]

I see your point, but it could just as easily be construed as saying "USC will rise again".

I agree, but yesterday was not the time to start crowing about how big and bad USC is. That arrogance is what brought this on in the first place. The point is that Kiffin cannot be trusted when he has to think on his feet with a microphone in his face. He simply does not have the intellectual capacity for it. It is all bravado all the time.

 

[ShanMan]

Its going to hurt them some....but people are acting like this is the death penalty.

Heres a look at thier recruiting since 2005

Year Class rank # of recruits
2005 #1 20
2006 #1 26
2007 #2 18
2008 #8 19
2009 #4 19
2010 #1 20

As you can see, USC usually signs smaller classes anyway. Now thats not to say that this scholarship restriction wont hurt (mostly with position depth) but they will still get thier share of high caliber players. They just have less margin for missing on players who turn out to be busts, but if its one thing most people would agree on, player evaluation is one of that staffs strengths.

 

[VolDad]

I agree, but yesterday was not the time to start crowing about how big and bad USC is. That arrogance is what brought this on in the first place. The point is that Kiffin cannot be trusted when he has to think on his feet with a microphone in his face. He simply does not have the intellectual capacity for it. It is all bravado all the time.

I suspect the targeted audience for that was his players and recruits. They are trying to circle the wagons.

 

[VolDad]

Its going to hurt them some....but people are acting like this is the death penalty.

Heres a look at thier recruiting since 2005

Year Class rank # of recruits
2005 #1 20
2006 #1 26
2007 #2 18
2008 #8 19
2009 #4 19
2010 #1 20

As you can see, USC usually signs smaller classes anyway. Now thats not to say that this scholarship restriction wont hurt (mostly with position depth) but they will still get thier share of high caliber players. They just have less margin for missing on players who turn out to be busts, but if its one thing most people would agree on, player evaluation is one of that staffs strengths.

Take a look at what happened to Miami after a similar penalty.

 

[EZE]

I suspect the targeted audience for that was his players and recruits. They are trying to circle the wagons.

I know that is what they are trying to do, but that is one of the many problems with Kiffin. He simply doesn't get it. I would bet that certain members of the NCAA were offended by those remarks--something USC really doesn't need right now.

 

[TrueOrange]

That sounds pretty real to me. People are people no matter how hard the law tries to make us behave otherwise.

Hiring CLK may well have been like pouring gas on the fire.

no this was coming to them either way. they had finished their investigation of USC back in January right around when Carroll left.

The only key with Kiffin was that everyone else turned down the coaching opportunity that they went to first, meaning a whole lot of people knew sanctions were about to come to USC - and probably serious ones

 

[TrueOrange]

Others might disagree. Here is a quote from Forde's column on ESPN.com:

Hiring Lane Kiffin was not exactly a iron-willed commitment to clean living. Kiffin was on staff as an offensive assistant when Bush was being showered with agent tribute. And when Kiffin bolted Tennessee after one season, he left behind a string of secondary violations and an ongoing inquiry into some way-off-campus recruiting efforts by Orange Pride hostesses.

"You'd never get anyone [on the Committee on Infractions] to admit it, but it certainly wouldn't help them [hiring Kiffin]," said an expert on NCAA infractions cases. "He has such a reputation, it couldn't have helped."

But the point too in all this, this punishment's not just about him like alot of people on this board are trying to make it

alot of people seem to think the NCAA was just waiting for a situation to catch him (not USC, him) and that this provided some opportune ideal to finally catch him, like he's a mob godfather.


Hiring him wouldn't have helped obviously, but the brunt of this punishment - why it's so close to say what Bama's was - is not b/c of who the coach is now, but bc what the university did, let happen, knew about, and didn't report

this is them having to bear the repercussions of their actions

 

[TrueOrange]

It will be really interesting to see if he can function within the ultra-strict monitoring the AA will assign to him at USC.

I think he has some strong gameday skills, but whether they are excellent enough to overcome his now handicapped recruiting process is yet to be determined.

exactly, this is where he's now the biggest worry. They're on probation. He can't commit numerous secondary violations anymore b/c the NCAA is watching that program for the next few years

 

[TrueOrange]

Deep down, I don't think Kiffin expected stiff penalties. He thought they were going to skate.

honestly, i think everyone who wasn't directly involved thought they'd get off pretty easy

...well save the one picking harsh penalties b/c they hated USC

 

[ShanMan]

Take a look at what happened to Miami after a similar penalty.

They had very similar sanctions. (one-year ban from postseason participation and a scholarship reduction of 31 over a three year period beginning in 1996.)

1996 9-3 Big East title no bowl per NCAA ruling
1997 5-6
1998 9-3
1999 9-4
2000 11-1 Big East title
2001 12-0 Big East title and National Championship

So they had one really bad year in the years following the NCAA sanctions. They have been on a slide since then due more to poor coaching than the NCAA ruling.

Of course Miami had Butch to guide them during those critical years after the NCAA ruling. Guess the question is.....is Kiffin Butch or Larry?

 

[EZE]

exactly, this is where he's now the biggest worry. They're on probation. He can't commit numerous secondary violations anymore b/c the NCAA is watching that program for the next few years

I agree with this 100%, especially with more gems like this coning from Laney boy:

“Regardless of what happens in that appeal, we know this: SC is more powerful than anything else,” Kiffin said. “The university, the football program, the basketball program -- no matter what they try to do to us, it won’t matter.”

Is this really the message you want to be sending to the NCAA right now? This is just plain stupidity. Somebody needs to knock this idiot into next week so he will finally get it.

 

[sjrobert]

Not everybody has the mensa like abilities to separate their allegiance to their school's football team and it's head coach like you and the other geniuses do. Personally, I supported the jerk although I was very uneasy about the way he spoke publicly and handled his coaching responsibilities simply because he was the head coach of the University of Tennessee Volunteers football team.

And even considering the clown's shortcomings, very large in retrospect, he at least was a short-term respite from the "film watcher."

 

[sjrobert]

I agree with this 100%, especially with more gems like this coning from Laney boy:

“Regardless of what happens in that appeal, we know this: SC is more powerful than anything else,” Kiffin said. “The university, the football program, the basketball program -- no matter what they try to do to us, it won’t matter.”

Is this really the message you want to be sending to the NCAA right now? This is just plain stupidity. Somebody needs to knock this idiot into next week so he will finally get it.

Kiffin hype and his "up yours" attitude aside, it is clear that he is intellectually challenged.

 

[VolsGuy277]

Sorry if this was already mentioned guys but I don't have time to read the whole thread. Did anyone see in the ESPN article where Kiffin was asked if he was worried about any of his juniors and seniors leaving? He said, "If any of them want to leave the greatest place in the world to place football then let them leave." or something like that. This is hard for me to say but if I were a recruit and this was going on, I can honestly say there are several schools I would pick over USC. Really, if USC wasn't in this mess I would still probably pick these other schools. Alabama and Florida would most definitely be higher than USC. Heck, last year Kiffin even said we were in the best conference in college football. I know this really isn't relevant but I just grind my teeth when I read one of his stupid comments. It's just really aggravating. The dislike I have for that human being is growing more and more every day.

 

[VolsGuy277]

I forgot to say Tennessee would definitely get my LOI no matter what. I was just speaking hypothetically.

 

[orangetaz]

I didnt like KItten from day one

 

[VegasVol]

They had very similar sanctions. (one-year ban from postseason participation and a scholarship reduction of 31 over a three year period beginning in 1996.)

1996 9-3 Big East title no bowl per NCAA ruling
1997 5-6
1998 9-3
1999 9-4
2000 11-1 Big East title
2001 12-0 Big East title and National Championship

So they had one really bad year in the years following the NCAA sanctions. They have been on a slide since then due more to poor coaching than the NCAA ruling.

Of course Miami had Butch to guide them during those critical years after the NCAA ruling. Guess the question is.....is Kiffin Butch or Larry?

Rather typical of programs with good local talent base and solid recruiting coaches during probation -- they tend to lose out on recruits in the year of the bowl ban and the year after; then the effect recedes as players see probation fading in the critical parts of their prospective careers.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

They had very similar sanctions. (one-year ban from postseason participation and a scholarship reduction of 31 over a three year period beginning in 1996.)

1996 9-3 Big East title no bowl per NCAA ruling
1997 5-6
1998 9-3
1999 9-4
2000 11-1 Big East title
2001 12-0 Big East title and National Championship

So they had one really bad year in the years following the NCAA sanctions. They have been on a slide since then due more to poor coaching than the NCAA ruling.

Of course Miami had Butch to guide them during those critical years after the NCAA ruling. Guess the question is.....is Kiffin Butch or Larry?

I still think USC will be a premier program when all this dust settles. I hate it, but I think it's true. Americans have short memories, and the kids they will be recruiting are just starting high school. Southern California... sun... beach... blonde wimmin... Hollywood. The only place easier to recruit for is in some rat hole in Florida.

 

[VegasVol]

I still think USC will be a premier program when all this dust settles. I hate it, but I think it's true. Americans have short memories, and the kids they will be recruiting are just starting high school. Southern California... sun... beach... blonde wimmin... Hollywood. The only place easier to recruit for is in some rat hole in Florida.

No doubt. Even complete morons like Paul Hackett had top-10 recruiting classes at SC and no-names like Tollner and Smith won Rose Bowls. They still have the biggest edge with the biggest local talent base in all of college football.

 

[rsm]

alabama can tell you a loss of scholarships depletes your depth chart which in turn really hurts the win loss record...it took them several years to overcome it...of course they never accepted the fact that they had a booster paying a high school coach to steer top players toward them they just blame fulmer for them getting caught...