The Bruce Pearl Thread

Would you be for Bruce Pearl's return if Martin is fired after next year?

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RockyTopFox said:
CCM will be good, sure. But he will never have us constantly in the tourney with realistic chances to make a deep run. We won't be regarded as one of the nation's top basketball programs with CCM like we were with Pearl. I'd be the first one to root for us to completely tank next year in an effort to get Pearl back.. it would help us greatly in the long run.

If not, Tennessee's brief period of prosperity with Pearl at the helm will forever be a memory.
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You're an idiot.
 
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RockyTopFox said:
I have complete confidence that CCM will be a good coach for us, but Pearl's ceiling is so much higher that CCMs. So why not try to get him back? I'd say we can all agree that he is the far superior coach and recruiter. He is such a true VFL, and the NCAA penalties wouldn't last long. I don't see why you guys are so quick to kill any hope about his return.
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How much harder do you think recruiting becomes when opposing coaches can remind parents that Pearl is a proven liar that was harshly punished by the NCAA?

Pearl's ceiling collapsed, so to say it's higher than CCM's is a ludicrous statement. Sorry to be a dreamkiller, but Pearl will never coach the Vols again.
 
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It's not that he had a barbeque, it's not that he "cheated."

It's that he lied to the NCAA and was caught doing so, and they don't like that. He is on the NCAA Fecal Chart forever and ever, and no university with a lick of sense will bring in a coach that has a giant arrow perennially over his head that says, "Hey, NCAA, look at me and everything that I do and everything that my staff does and everything that my players do and everything that anyone says that we do or did or are maybe thinking about."

Doesn't matter if it's fair or right, it's just the way it is.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
No you qualified your answer by saying they would have handled it differently. They wouldn't have lied. My question was if they were caught in the exact scenario, would the punishment have been different?
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Oh, gotcha. We kept Pearl after the NCAA lie. The extra phone calls were the last straws. Had any of them lied, they would be in as big of trouble as Pearl, yes. If the program is put on probation, like we were, and the violations keep coming, that's textbook reasoning for termination. That's the whole point of probation.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You're an idiot.
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*facepalm* That's what you have to do sometimes. Take the football season for example. After the Miss St. loss, it was obvious that Dooley wasn't our guy. I wanted Tennessee to lose down the stretch to ensure his firing. We did, and now we are so much better off with CBJ. If we would have gotten hot down the stretch, we may have kept him, and we would have no hope next year.

Now, the situation for the basketball program is not nearly as extreme. CCM is much better than Dooley, so I do hope that we improve upon this season and make some noise in the future. BUT if we start poorly like we did this season, it will be the beginning of the end for CCM, and we'll be in the same position as the football program was: Win some late, meaningless games and keep a mediocre coach, or lose and get a better one (like pearl) We'll see how it turns out.
 
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RockyTopFox said:
CCM will be good, sure. But he will never have us constantly in the tourney with realistic chances to make a deep run. We won't be regarded as one of the nation's top basketball programs with CCM like we were with Pearl. I'd be the first one to root for us to completely tank next year in an effort to get Pearl back.. it would help us greatly in the long run.

If not, Tennessee's brief period of prosperity with Pearl at the helm will forever be a memory.
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You're either trolling or the dumbest person ever.
 
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Bruce was to UT basketball what Robert Neyland was to UT football. So, just for the sake of argument, let's assume that General Neyland had been exiled to coaching limbo for a period of time after breaking some arcane ncaa rule or other after his first six years at UT. Would it have been wrong of UT football fans to clamor for his return after the expiration of the exile? Furthermore, do you believe that he would not have been invited back?

(Keep in mind that the ncaa itself has been pilloried recently in the press for blatant “lack of institutional control” over various and sundry failures to keep its own house in order, especially in the manner in which it has mis-handled investigations into coaching improprieties.)
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Oh, gotcha. We kept Pearl after the NCAA lie. The extra phone calls were the last straws. Had any of them lied, they would be in as big of trouble as Pearl, yes. If the program is put on probation, like we were, and the violations keep coming, that's textbook reasoning for termination. That's the whole point of probation.
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From information that I was privy to was not the calls or bump. The AA was hell bent on bringing Pearl down. At the SEC tourney there was a meeting between Slive, Cheek, and Hamilton and the AA. In the meeting there were two scenarios presented one with Pearl one without. Hamilton's opinion was to offer resistance to the AA but he was told to stfu or else (that's why Hammy got his rather large parting gift). Cheek basically told the AA to tell UT what to do with no objections whatsoever. Hamilton was told to pull the rug out from Pearl while he was on the bus ride to Charlotte for the tourney thus the Hyamms interview. This was done intentionally in hopes of sabotaging the team in Charlotte making it more palatable to the fans for firing him.

This may have been posted before but that's what I heard went down.
 
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zjcvols said:
How dare you disrespect the great Ray Mears like that. And you call yourself a UT fan? The most important coach this basketball program ever has had is Ray Mears, and it's not even ****ing close. Anybody that's an actual UT fan knows that, and if they don't, should be embarrassed.
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Nah
 
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RockyTopFox said:
*facepalm* That's what you have to do sometimes. Take the football season for example. After the Miss St. loss, it was obvious that Dooley wasn't our guy. I wanted Tennessee to lose down the stretch to ensure his firing. We did, and now we are so much better off with CBJ. If we would have gotten hot down the stretch, we may have kept him, and we would have no hope next year.

Now, the situation for the basketball program is not nearly as extreme. CCM is much better than Dooley, so I do hope that we improve upon this season and make some noise in the future. BUT if we start poorly like we did this season, it will be the beginning of the end for CCM, and we'll be in the same position as the football program was: Win some late, meaningless games and keep a mediocre coach, or lose and get a better one (like pearl) We'll see how it turns out.
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That's not even close to what you said before. You stated Martin would never be as good as Pearl (glad you can see the future) and that you'd root for us to tank next year to try to get Pearl back. You gave no qualifiers of a bad start or anything.

So *facepalm* all you want, but what you said made you an idiot.
 
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Special Ed said:
Bruce was to UT basketball what Robert Neyland was to UT football. So, just for the sake of argument, let's assume that General Neyland had been exiled to coaching limbo for a period of time after breaking some arcane ncaa rule or other after his first six years at UT. Would it have been wrong of UT football fans to clamor for his return after the expiration of the exile? Furthermore, do you believe that he would not have been invited back?

(Keep in mind that the ncaa itself has been pilloried recently in the press for blatant “lack of institutional control” over various and sundry failures to keep its own house in order, especially in the manner in which it has mis-handled investigations into coaching improprieties.)
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No, not even close. Seeing the two mentioned together makes me physically ill. There is no comparison between the two.
 
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zjcvols said:
How dare you disrespect the great Ray Mears like that. And you call yourself a UT fan? The most important coach this basketball program ever has had is Ray Mears, and it's not even ****ing close. Anybody that's an actual UT fan knows that, and if they don't, should be embarrassed.
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:ermm:
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I disagree. Both Pearl's recruiting and X and Os are being praised, yet I distinctly remember both being criticized.
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I would argue that he didn't recruit 4 of his 7 best players. He inherited two and lucked out with Smith and Prince transferring.
 
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