The Biggest Takeaway from the Currie Documents

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ptcarter said:
Hey, props to Butch and Derrick.. we rolled with them too. lol
About time we quit betting on guys that have a mediocre track record and hope they hit the big time at Tenn. CJP's resume is more impressive to me than our last 3 coaches. That includes Kiffin. Watch the Al Davis presser when he was fired from Oakland. CJP doesn't have that kind of blemish on him. Dooley and Jones - resumes weren't strong in the coaching arena... I'm all in on CJP until he gives me a reason not to be.
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If I am not mistaken this is CJP's first head coaching job. No one has no way of knowing how good or bad he will be. CJP has absolutely NO track record as a Head Coach.
 
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Nocleats said:
Their plan would have worked , and Schiano would be Coach right now , IF, they had not used Gruden as a bluff and actually quelled that rumor publicly about a week earlier. By then tenn fans would have accepted another choice. The initial reaction wasn’t as much anti the coach choice as it was everyone thought it would be Gruden and they were pissed at the comparative choice as it was.. IMO
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I may naive but I actually know NO ONE who thought it was Gruden. Sorry just a fact...
 
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Biggest takeaways:
* MIT Beaver is FOS
* Gruden was never in the mix
* Where's the evidence that Manning supported the Schiano hire?
 
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The biggest takeaway is that this board clearly does not have “insiders”.

No one knew jack of what was going on. So, anyone claiming to know this or that had his finger as much on the pulse of actual fact as Dobbs4Heisman.

Every AD should have a list of 10 names at the ready in every sport in case a hire needs to be made
 
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orchidvol said:
I'm all with Pruitt too. He says all the right things. Recruit great, physical players on both sides of the ball, practice hard, play hard, work as a team, etc. etc. Talk is cheap though but the verdict is still out as to whether or not he can achieve those things, especially considering this is his first head coaching job. I sure hope he can be successful.

Mike Leach is a successful, established head coach that would have accepted in the job even with the situation with Currie deteriorating. His teams are exciting to watch and his teams have won wherever he's been. Davenport or someone nixed that deal, fired Currie, and had to pay nearly $3 million for him to leave. An alternative approach would have been to hire Leach, keep Currie, and have an additional $3 million. Now they've had to pay yet another person for not working.
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In big boy football, $3 mil ain’t s£|]! Notre Dame paralyzed over paying Charlie Weis $18 mil? If Pruitt ends up winning for our program, I wouldn’t trade that for one year’s salary.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Two biggest takeaways from this:

1. UTAD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with a handle
2. No one reached out to Gruden AT ALL

Which leads us to our third biggest takeaway:

3. UTAD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with a handle

Let's hope Fulmer and the new coach (who is he???) can restore a modicum of honesty, decency and power football to the Hill.
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Of course they didn't.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Two biggest takeaways from this:

1. UTAD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with a handle
2. No one reached out to Gruden AT ALL

Which leads us to our third biggest takeaway:

3. UTAD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with a handle

Let's hope Fulmer and the new coach (who is he???) can restore a modicum of honesty, decency and power football to the Hill.
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2. No one at UTAD or Board reached out, but if you believe MIT Beaver or Atlanta Vol. Somebody with money did reach out...

They just failed to tell UTAD and the Board.
 
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99gator said:
The biggest takeaway is that this board clearly does not have “insiders”.

No one knew jack of what was going on. So, anyone claiming to know this or that had his finger as much on the pulse of actual fact as Dobbs4Heisman.

Every AD should have a list of 10 names at the ready in every sport in case a hire needs to be made
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Exactly.When Currie took the job he should have already had feelers out for the HC spot. Everyone in the country seemed to know that BJ wasn't going to get it done in 2017. Yet the AD slow played it and let it get to the MO game to make the call? Although honestly you cannot just blame him. At the end of the day all of this falls directly on all the big time players for UT. We have been relevant in what 1 sport in the past 10 years now? Women's softball. Yep thats basically it.
 
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Nocleats said:
Their plan would have worked , and Schiano would be Coach right now , IF, they had not used Gruden as a bluff and actually quelled that rumor publicly about a week earlier. By then tenn fans would have accepted another choice. The initial reaction wasn’t as much anti the coach choice as it was everyone thought it would be Gruden and they were pissed at the comparative choice as it was.. IMO
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No one with an IQ above a ham sandwich thought Gruden was coming to UT
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Reading through all the texts, what actually stands out to me the most is not the "action", but the "inaction" of Currie before the Schiano fiasco. It's pretty obvious that Currie consulted with no one other than Haslam. And their plan was:

(a) hire Dan Mullen,
(b) if plan A fails, hire Greg Schiano

That was it. There was no other plan. No other research. No list. No more effort. There was a tacit assumption that Schiano would accept and they were happy with him over all other candidates with the exception of Dan Mullen.

I don't claim to know everything there is to know about being an AD, but I can tell you that that's plain stupid. Even if plan B hadn't involved a washed up mediocre coach with ethical issues that no one else wanted to hire, that's still a terrible way to prepare for a coaching search. McDonald's puts more effort into hiring its assistant managers than Currie put into a search for a guy who is the face of an entire university with a $4+ million annual salary.

Only after the Schiano backlash did Currie suddenly start conducting a real search. Naturally, given that he waited till the last minute, it was completely chaotic. The fact that he nearly hired Mike Leach (an excellent coach) seems more like a dumb-luck accident. And was probably partly the result that there was a mini-backlash to a Dave Doeren hire. While I wouldn't exactly put my faith in "message board posters", it's difficult to argue against the idea that VolNation posters tended to have more knowledge of coaches than Currie.

I'm hoping Pruitt is the right guy, but even if he's not, I think our AD is in better shape now that the Haslam faction has been ousted. Between Hamilton and Currie, it's clear that Haslam influence has been disastrous.
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I mentioned this in another thread, but this was a very Joe Alleva-like coaching search. Go after one (or in Alleva's case, 2) candidates, and if you swing and miss go all the way down the list to a guy that you know with certainty will say yes without talking to anyone else.

At Tennessee, it was Mullen, then down to Schiano. At LSU, it was Jimbo/Herman, then down to Coach O. I don't know the inside baseball of LSU's booster situation, but coaching "searches" that are conducted that way are a hallmark of out-of-control boosters.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Two biggest takeaways from this:

1. UTAD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with a handle
2. No one reached out to Gruden AT ALL

Which leads us to our third biggest takeaway:

3. UTAD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with a handle

Let's hope Fulmer and the new coach (who is he???) can restore a modicum of honesty, decency and power football to the Hill.
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this.
 
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i2amavol said:
Without Sandusky, we would have swallowed hard, and accepted it though. Schiano is Urbs right hand man, isn't he? He did pretty well as head coach at a place that never does well. So, grudgingly, we would have rolled with it.
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He did well at Rutgers, then crashed and burned in the NFL and is probably blackballed from ever coaching there again.

Remember, when he was booted from the Bucs not a single program wanted him as head coach. He ended up in the HS ranks until Urbie rescued him, since then despite good recruiting and D play at OSU no one (besides Haslam and Currie) has offered him a job.

Makes you wonder if he is just so toxic, even without Sandusky
 
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volfan102455 said:
How do you all know that it doesn't work like this at every major university? Even in major companies for decisions there is normally only a plan A and a plan B. If those don't work, folks scramble.

This seems no different.
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The way any hire that is of this magnitude is made in business or sports is a third party is used to ascertain interest. This can be a search firm but the thing about having a former coach as AD is he/she probably knows some one who knows your target hire. That way you don't have the whole world knowing who isn't interested and it looks like no one wants the job.
 
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One name that's generally missing from the messages is Haslam. So other than connecting dots of logic (Haslam's known ties to Schiano and Currie separately, etc.), is there any actual evidence of Haslam's direct involvement? Or has it all been just educated guesswork?

It's interesting that there are materials supporting research of candidates other than Mullen and Schiano but none for those two, which seems to indicate prior determinations (which supports part of OP's point). And we all seem to accept the understanding that Haslam originated those determinations. But again, is there any documentation to actually point to? Maybe I missed it in my reading.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
One thing they did right during all this: zero contact with Jon Gruden.
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It's never failed to amaze me how these spineless ADs wouldn't simply step up and say Gruden wasn't a candidate instead of letting him get free press off of UTs dime.

This whole thing has always been no more than a running joke IMO but it makes the school look silly time and again.
 
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pismonque said:
One name that's generally missing from the messages is Haslam. So other than connecting dots of logic (Haslam's known ties to Schiano and Currie separately, etc.), is there any actual evidence of Haslam's direct involvement? Or has it all been just educated guesswork?

It's interesting that there are materials supporting research of candidates other than Mullen and Schiano but none for those two, which seems to indicate prior determinations (which supports part of OP's point). And we all seem to accept the understanding that Haslam originated those determinations. But again, is there any documentation to actually point to? Maybe I missed it in my reading.
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Raja, the main booster behind Currie and the Schiano hire, was appointed by Haslam. Since Haslam has been Governor, Raja's company has received over $800 million in state contracts.
Those 2 are literally "thick as thieves".

Make no mistake on who is pulling the strings and those conversations don't take place on state phones. More like the phones used to give heads up on contract bids. We're not going to see those texts.
 
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