The Beginning of the End for Dooley

[VolsSportsFan]

I agree that North Carolina wasn't on Dooley or the team, but the ref's.

I don't agree with this:

1. Our defense has been bad enough to lose those games with or without Bray, Hunter, or Da'Rick, so those losses don't necessarily change.

2. Coaching lost the LSU game, because it is the coach's responsability to have the correct number of players on the field.

This.

The UNC game is the only game I agree we should have won because the refs cost us.

Also you can't assume we would have won a bowl game if we had gone to one last year, so to jump from 5-7 to automatically 8-5 last year is silly.

And none of it matters anyway, it didn't happen.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I don't know why we waste everyone's time with these types of post. $9.3 million to buyout the staff.......will not happen, UT does not have the $$$ and even Haslam will not step in and soften the blow. This staff is here for at least two more season. Get use to it and hope these issues are resolved and we can all look back and say, ok , maybe we were wrong.

Go Vols!!

Now it's 2 more seasons? No way that's true. I can buy an argument that Dooley is back next year no matter what, but there's no way he has 2 more seasons guaranteed.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Had our bad luck been good luck, then we would be in much better shape.

(1) 2010 - We beat LSU and not had the referee incident.

(2) 2010 - We beat UNC and not had the referee incident.

2010 record 8 - 5 with a bowl win.....



(3) 2011 - Hunter & Bray not been injured, we beat USC & Kentucky, for a team record of 7 - 5. Then we go to a bowl game and finish the season at 8 - 5 again.

(4) 2012 - DaRick not been dismissed from the team. He is the only consistant receiver we had/have. So, with him, we would not have had so many dropped balls.
Thus, we win the UGA game and Mississippi State games.
Our record now is 5 - 2 and we are in the top #25....

Reminds me of Fulmer telling us how he was three plays away from going 8-5 in 2008. While theoreticaly accurate, it's simultaneously infuriating and sad.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Now it's 2 more seasons? No way that's true. I can buy an argument that Dooley is back next year no matter what, but there's no way he has 2 more seasons guaranteed.

Dude is troll milking the Dooley era to the last drop. The screw will turn when we get a decent staff in place and start regularly beating whatever team it is that the FlyFisherman cheers for when he's not here posing as a Vol.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I'd say we all had pretty good faith in him rebuilding until Kentucky last year.

And now we are in a money jam with buyouts......this is like taking a grill to the prom that you don't want to be with knowing that there is the queen with eyes for you but you are stick with the mistake of asking the wrong one to early. Consolation, you are going to get screwed. Or is it?
The other choice may leave you screwing yourself. A very costly mistake......

 

[VolFanHenry]

The first quarter of so of the Oregon game made me think we had found the ultimate diamond in the rough. Felt good after that 4 game winning streak in later 2010 and it's been downhill since Florida last year.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

One, I am not a troll, but I do know what $9.3 million is worth in today's market. If you add the expense of a new staff (over $14 million) + running in a deficit as of today, now if I am getting way over your ability to comprehend anything that is greater than $100.00, I apologize. However, I get what some of you are doing, if you can't *****, then why even participate. The fact is this, name one scenario in which a new coach, if Gruden = $5 million+, just for him....how could UT (Public University) justify the move and pay for it?............I know some you are only use to using a cash register, but there are more and bigger numbers than $19.95. If you’re not going to apply any common sense or logic to your reasons CDD and the staff could be replaced at any cost, then just change your university to Alabama, because they sold their souls to get Saban, and then stop posting. I do forget that most of you never went to UT, so the cost is not even a variable in your mind.

 

[Jax_Vol]

One, I am not a troll, but I do know what $9.3 million is worth in today's market. If you add the expense of a new staff (over $14 million) + running in a deficit as of today, now if I am getting way over your ability to comprehend anything that is greater than $100.00, I apologize. However, I get what some of you are doing, if you can't *****, then why even participate. The fact is this, name one scenario in which a new coach, if Gruden = $5 million+, just for him....how could UT (Public University) justify the move and pay for it?............I know some you are only use to using a cash register, but there are more and bigger numbers than $19.95. If you’re not going to apply any common sense or logic to your reasons CDD and the staff could be replaced at any cost, then just change your university to Alabama, because they sold their souls to get Saban, and then stop posting. I do forget that most of you never went to UT, so the cost is not even a variable in your mind.

So what do you propose we do Mister Mathy?

 

[Dudleys87]

Having two weeks for State and still looking lost did it for me.

 

[photovol]

When you can't motivate your team to beat a team you've owned for 26 years for a chance to go to a bowl game, then you've lost your team, then you have no business coaching in the SEC.

Absolutely unequivocally correct! Dooley can't motivate even himself much less this Vol squad

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

One, I am not a troll, but I do know what $9.3 million is worth in today's market. If you add the expense of a new staff (over $14 million) + running in a deficit as of today, now if I am getting way over your ability to comprehend anything that is greater than $100.00, I apologize. However, I get what some of you are doing, if you can't *****, then why even participate. The fact is this, name one scenario in which a new coach, if Gruden = $5 million+, just for him....how could UT (Public University) justify the move and pay for it?............I know some you are only use to using a cash register, but there are more and bigger numbers than $19.95. If you’re not going to apply any common sense or logic to your reasons CDD and the staff could be replaced at any cost, then just change your university to Alabama, because they sold their souls to get Saban, and then stop posting. I do forget that most of you never went to UT, so the cost is not even a variable in your mind.

Doug Matthews has stated repeatedly on his show that the people he knows, who are the same people who would be called on to shoulder the lion's share of the burden here, have told him that money is not the deciding issue. Doug is far from a lone voice in the wilderness in stating this. Add in the fact that UTAD is going to vault back into the black on next year's books thanks to consolidation of the men's and women's divisions, getting rid of some high paid hangers' on, and retiring some debt this year and you would understand that money is not the dirver on this decision. I don't know whether Dooley will be back next year or not, but I do know that the school can afford to get rid of him and pay a big name a boatload of money if that's what they chose to do.

I initially called you out on the cash register statement, but I acknowledge that I started this with the troll comment and there's no sense in turning this into a running insult thread. We're both rooting for the same team here. :hi:

 

[VolsSportsFan]

One, I am not a troll, but I do know what $9.3 million is worth in today's market. If you add the expense of a new staff (over $14 million) + running in a deficit as of today, now if I am getting way over your ability to comprehend anything that is greater than $100.00, I apologize. However, I get what some of you are doing, if you can't *****, then why even participate. The fact is this, name one scenario in which a new coach, if Gruden = $5 million+, just for him....how could UT (Public University) justify the move and pay for it?............I know some you are only use to using a cash register, but there are more and bigger numbers than $19.95. If you’re not going to apply any common sense or logic to your reasons CDD and the staff could be replaced at any cost, then just change your university to Alabama, because they sold their souls to get Saban, and then stop posting. I do forget that most of you never went to UT, so the cost is not even a variable in your mind.

How did they "sell their soul"? Looks like they went out and got their man, and it's paying off very well.

 

[LA Vol]

Expecting someone with Dooley's limited HC experience and W-L record to successfully rebuild a proud, once-elite program to win in the SEC was unrealistic from the start. Hammy knew the alumni, donors and fanbase wouldn't put up with six years of OTJ training. He made a fool's bet that CDD could grow quickly into the job, based on the Dooley name and Saban pedigree, and now the university is stuck paying off his losses.

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

LSU was the moment that we first starting publicly apologizing for and making excuses for him, while embarrassed and hoping it was a fluke.

Music City Bowl was the moment where we first started thinking maybe his momma had cursed his soul when he was an embryo, leaving him with a bad luck cloud over his head unlike any other.

FLA/JH,& GA/Bray pretty much confirmed the part about his momma and his bad luck.

When we saw the Vandy celebration video, we died a little inside and started thinking maybe this is where his tenure peaked, b/c he apparently thinks this is WAY too much of a big deal.

Then Kentucky happened, and the combination of sadness, pity and uncollateralized optimism that we held was replaced with just being PISSED OFF and wanting him to go away. Suddenly every word he spoke was met with a feeling of disgust and contempt, but we still tried to keep it in and hope we were wrong. Hey, look, JAY GRAHAM!

NC State made us think maybe, just maybe, the new staff and some new players (hellooooo CP!) would pick him up and carry him past his own limited skills and the black cloud of unfortunate occurrences.

I was at the Georgia State game, and while people were excited it barely took the 1st quarter for us to realize what was about to happen over the rest of the season. But WAIT, we're ranked and Gameday is coming!!! So we threw in and got behind them as if we didn't know what was going to happen later that night.

Then Florida happened, and Akron, and whatever the HECK that was in Georgia. And we knew it was the end of the end. But there's an off week and we can tee off on freakin' Mississippi State, RIGHT?

Annnnnd, that's a wrap. On the season, on the Dooley era, on the Hamilton era as well. Cue Dave "The Hitman" Hart.

Now our football program has become a country drinkin' song.

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

Dooley's fate is not sealed. Dooley's fate is still in his own coaching hands. He's only one big win away from getting some positive momentum, after having to fight an uphill battle. I actually have to give him credit for holding things semi-togehter, and not quitting through all of the bad things that have happened to this team over the last 3 years. I do think he is running out of chances to get that big win. This weekend is the perfect opportunity for him to do just that.

I appreciate your attempt to take the high road and be noble, but I find it hard to believe that you actually think that deep down inside man....

His fate is determined, and it was determined at his own hands.

There is no reasonable expectation that he can/will beat any of the "big" teams left on the schedule.

Everything around him is falling apart, and he is making it worse.

He didn't quit over the last 3 years b/c 1) He is being paid millions; 2) if he quit he would have to PAY money back to the school, and 3) he has millions of reasons to ride the ship on down and be fired instead of quitting, in the form of a massive buyout that he doesn't deserve. There's no honor in NOT quitting when it's a financial decision that looks out for yourself over the program you are supposed to stewarding.

That said, I wish I could still be blindly optimistic, but those days are gone I guess. Go Vols.

 

[Big_Budha]

I had to put a lexan keyboard protector on my keyboard before I typed this to keep from puking on my keys, but ... I agree with that statement.

However, I'm sure it isn't for the same reason that you wrote it. Most of the folks on this site don't actually remember Bill Battle. When he replaced Dickey he was widely despised by the fan base. After all, he wasn't named Majors. He was the youngest head coach in football. He was from (gasp) 'Bama. There was a litany of reasons. The internet of that day was called a newspaper. The newspapers were filled with anti-Battle letters and comments. Moving vans were sent to his house. For Sale signs were placed in his yard. He was the anti-Christ. The venom and hatred took its toll and consequently recruiting fell off with all of the newspaper clippings put in recruits faces. It became a self-fulfilling prophesy and he was fired with the great savior, Majors, brought in to return the glory. The glory never quite showed up. Yet, all was forgiven and Majors enjoyed support of the fan base. A rare peek at the top of the SEC interwoven with a decade of mediocrity was sufficient as long as it was Majors in the saddle. UT is at the point again where the venom has forced a change.

I remember the days well with Battle and the mediocrity of Majors the presumed savior. IMO Ky was the beginning of the undoing of CDD, although I bought into the Florda hype this year, and felt sick at the end of the day. I do respect the fact that CDD is all in for the Big Orange. VFL is an example. I can't deny that my heart sank when MH announced his hire, thinking we are better than this. It feels like the same fate that awaited Battle, and hurt UT's recruiting.