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zjcvols said:
Ha. My two counterpoints:

It’s been shown that playing at Coors for a significant amount does age you quicker. So Helton couldn’t get some of the counting stats.

Even after the humidor which did was put in place, which did decrease offense, Helton had 3 more 1.000 OPS seasons.
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People discount the field dimensions in the conversation. The park is massive. The air allows the ball to still get out of there but the outfielders have a significantly greater area to cover. Things that should not be hits are doubles.
 
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TBrown said:
People discount the field dimensions in the conversation. The park is massive. The air allows the ball to still get out of there but the outfielders have a significantly greater area to cover. Things that should not be hits are doubles.
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Absolutely a fair point. It’s a definite advantage. I think if Helton had played with the Braves or the Red Sox or whoever he would have put up massive numbers
 
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For the old heads, when the Rockies were announced for expansion, was the air ever talked about as a potential problem? Or was it like “oh **** we didn’t consider this” once offense exploded? Seems like in hindsight putting a team in Denver was a dumb idea.
 
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zjcvols said:
For the old heads, when the Rockies were announced for expansion, was the air ever talked about as a potential problem? Or was it like “oh **** we didn’t consider this” once offense exploded? Seems like in hindsight putting a team in Denver was a dumb idea.
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I was a young kid, but yes, even I remember it being talked about at the time. The altitude was something that people talked about before they even started playing.
 
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05_never_again said:
I was a young kid, but yes, even I remember it being talked about at the time. The altitude was something that people talked about before they even started playing.
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Altitude has always been part of the conversation re: Denver. The Broncos and Nuggets were already there, etc. I think the question is - was the conversation about altitude typical or were people like “oh ****, I didn’t consider the ball going 600 feet. Quick, break out the cigar box!”
 
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TBrown said:
Altitude has always been part of the conversation re: Denver. The Broncos and Nuggets were already there, etc. I think the question is - was the conversation about altitude typical or were people like “oh ****, I didn’t consider the ball going 600 feet. Quick, break out the cigar box!”
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Right, but people knew it potentially presented a unique issue with baseball. I remember people wondering how many HRs would be hit there, and how it would be so hard to pitch there.

I don't think people were saying to put the balls in a humidor until later, but I remember people suspecting it would be a huge hitter's park. When the Braves played there, I remember Joe Simpson always talking about how big the outfield was too.
 
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zjcvols said:
Just a little interesting tidbit

Heltons road OPS was better than Tony Gwynn’s career OPS.
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Great point, but in a modern context, Tony is probably considered to be fairly overrated. Definitely still an HoFer, but when you bring his name up to the current generation of statheads the consensus is "eh, great singles hitter." Ichiro too.

Todd's road OPS is also equivalent to Adam Dunn's career OPS.
 
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05_never_again said:
Great point, but in a modern context, Tony is probably considered to be fairly overrated. Definitely still an HoFer, but when you bring his name up to the current generation of statheads the consensus is "eh, great singles hitter." Ichiro too.

Todd's road OPS is also equivalent to Adam Dunn's career OPS.
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Barry Bonds had more HRs than Tony Gwynn had XBH.
 
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zjcvols said:
For the old heads, when the Rockies were announced for expansion, was the air ever talked about as a potential problem? Or was it like “oh **** we didn’t consider this” once offense exploded? Seems like in hindsight putting a team in Denver was a dumb idea.
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Everybody knew the deal from day 1. The old Mile High Stadium was ridiculous at times. I can remember Sid Bream fighting off a slider and going oppo on what amounted to a fist shot and just laughing as he got back to the dugout. I don't know how they convinced any free agent pitcher to sign there in the early days.
 
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LotteryPick said:
He wouldn’t be able to stay healthy regardless of season length
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Yeah, I thought it was rich coming from him. He's played 58, 47, and 43 games the last 3 years. It's a coin flip for him to make it through a COVID season, much less a regular season shortened to 140 or 150 games or something like that.
 
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