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Then you're being selfish and not building a team.

Ohtani, while pitching and also having a bum elbow, posted a 6.6 WAR in 137 as a DH and a 180(!!!) wRC+. My team, and not even considering he can pitch after 2024, is better with him than having Sonny Gray, Eduardo Rodriguez and Joc Pederson. He’s a superstar that changes the entire complexity of your lineup. Do you know what Ronnie would do with Ohtani hitting behind him?
 
Ohtani, while pitching and also having a bum elbow, posted a 6.6 WAR in 137 as a DH and a 180(!!!) wRC+. My team, and not even considering he can pitch after 2024, is better with him than having Sonny Gray, Eduardo Rodriguez and Joc Pederson. He’s a superstar that changes the entire complexity of your lineup. Do you know what Ronnie would do with Ohtani hitting behind him?
Trout and Ohtani, arguably the top 2 players in baseball were on the same team and couldn't even make the post season. If signing Ohtani creates holes in the roster, I don't want him.
 
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Not if your just focused on product on field vs salary cap.

Would you rather, get Ohtani for 50 and run Grissom out in LF and have Giolito as your big SP acquisition.

Or spen that 50 between
Gray, E Rod, and Joc Pederson.
Ohtani for 50.

You keep missing the bolded part multiple people have brought up in this conversation. Any time you're in a contract discussion with a bonafide superstar player...not a nice player, but a superstar player with an extremely high level of marketability, the discussion is going to be about more than just on-field production.
 
Trout and Ohtani, arguably the top 2 players in baseball were on the same team and couldn't even make the post season. If signing Ohtani creates holes in the roster, I don't want him.
Then you're being selfish and not building a team.
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the Braves already have a pretty good team. Your point would be valid if Ronald was the only other guy on the entire roster who could hit, and if our ace would be a #4 starter on most other teams.
 
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Ohtani for 50.

You keep missing the bolded part multiple people have brought up in this conversation. Any time you're in a contract discussion with a bonafide superstar player...not a nice player, but a superstar player with an extremely high level of marketability, the discussion is going to be about more than just on-field production.
And I present to you the Angels. I want to see the Braves win a WS. If Ohtani hurts those odds then I don't want him. And yes he can hurt those odds if you refuse to sign other players because of the luxury tax.

I get what you all are saying, but that doesn't matter to me, I don't care about jersey sales, I want to see championships.
 
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the Braves already have a pretty good team. Your point would be valid if Ronald was the only other guy on the entire roster who could hit, and if our ace would be a #4 starter on most other teams.
Considering all the whining being done about Elder, if Ohtani means he's part of the rotation he isn't worth it. It's the same principle.
 
And I present to you the Angels. I want to see the Braves win a WS. If Ohtani hurts those odds then I don't want him. And yes he can hurt those odds if you refuse to sign other players because of the luxury tax.

I get what you all are saying, but that doesn't matter to me, I don't care about jersey sales, I want to see championships.
Dude - you do know the players currently in our lineup who we have locked up for several years, right? The Angels comparison is completely off-base.
 
Dude - you do know the players currently in our lineup who we have locked up for several years, right? The Angels comparison is completely off-base.
No it's not
You sign Ohtani
You still need a LF
Will need a DH, Ozuna will regress and is gone soon anyways.
Still need a 3 and 4 in your rotation (assuming Elder is out)
Will need at least a closer next year
AJ is gone soon
Will need an Ace or a 2, depending on where you slot Max.
Will need a backup catcher.

If signing Ohtani prevent any of that from happening he isn't worth it.
 
No it's not
You sign Ohtani
You still need a LF
Will need a DH, Ozuna will regress and is gone soon anyways.
Still need a 3 and 4 in your rotation (assuming Elder is out)
Will need at least a closer next year
AJ is gone soon
Will need an Ace or a 2, depending on where you slot Max.
Will need a backup catcher.

If signing Ohtani prevent any of that from happening he isn't worth it.
Yes it is. The Angels roster was Trout, Ohtani, then 25 warm bodies. But this is what you do...define terms unreasonably and/or make inappropriate/irrelevant comparisons to make your arguments.
 
Yes it is. The Angels roster was Trout, Ohtani, then 25 warm bodies. But this is what you do...define terms unreasonably and/or make inappropriate/irrelevant comparisons to make your arguments.
So you're fine with signing Ohtani then as players leave signing negative WAR guys to stay under the luxury tax? Because that's what will happen.
 
Dear Braves,

Please do the following

1) Sign Yamamoto
2) Sign Gray
3) Sign Reynaldo Lopez
4) Trade for Lars Nootbar

Thanks

Warren Buffett just bought 8 million dollars worth of shares in the Atlanta Braves holding company so that should be a good sign about this off season.
 
You’re out of touch man lol
He kind of reminds me of my FIL. Old fashioned (which isn't a bad thing), but that puts him kind of out of touch with what stuff costs and what people are willing to pay. He's repeatedly shocked with what the prices of things are and is amazingly cheap. Always thinks there is a better deal somewhere, but is right maybe 25% of the time, and wastes a lot of his time in pursuit

We were at the beach several years ago. He's got an old float that needs patching in multiple places. Doesn't want to just buy a new float because he thinks they're too expensive. Goes to the Dollar General. Patches are $1. Puts them back, says he bets that the Wal-Mart (which is 20+ minutes down the road one way with traffic) has them for cheaper. Gets to Wal-Mart, they're also $1 (or maybe 89 cents or something). Frustrated, he says he'll just find a cheap float somewhere else later. He wastes about half an afternoon he could have spent at the pool/beach because of this. It's the damndest thing I've ever seen.
 
He kind of reminds me of my FIL. Old fashioned (which isn't a bad thing), but that puts him kind of out of touch with what stuff costs and what people are willing to pay. He's repeatedly shocked with what the prices of things are and is amazingly cheap. Always thinks there is a better deal somewhere, but is right maybe 25% of the time, and wastes a lot of his time in pursuit

We were at the beach several years ago. He's got an old float that needs patching in multiple places. Doesn't want to just buy a new float because he thinks they're too expensive. Goes to the Dollar General. Patches are $1. Puts them back, says he bets that the Wal-Mart (which is 20+ minutes down the road one way with traffic) has them for cheaper. Gets to Wal-Mart, they're also $1 (or maybe 89 cents or something). Frustrated, he says he'll just find a cheap float somewhere else later. He wastes about half an afternoon he could have spent at the pool/beach because of this. It's the damndest thing I've ever seen.
😂
 
On Lopez:

“According to Stathead, he has pitched in 24 games since 2022 where he completed more than 1.1 innings. He only allowed an ER in 3 of those 24 games.

In multi-inning appearances since 2022: 24 games, 34 IP, 19 H, 7 BB, 42 K, 1 HR, 1.59 ERA.”
 
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On Lopez:

“According to Stathead, he has pitched in 24 games since 2022 where he completed more than 1.1 innings. He only allowed an ER in 3 of those 24 games.

In multi-inning appearances since 2022: 24 games, 34 IP, 19 H, 7 BB, 42 K, 1 HR, 1.59 ERA.”
Watched him several times last year. He looks way more confident in short stints. Stuff is elite
 
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