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zjcvols said:
I’m gonna learn everything I can about advanced hockey stats this summer and go all the way in.
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I don't think it's all that complicated but I've never found a good and concise explainer that answers all my questions, defines all the acronyms, etc. The first wave of stuff was more or less shot attempts for your team minus shot attempts by the other team while you're on the ice, which are then of course normalized various ways to try to isolate individual performance. Then they do something along the same lines as expected goals in soccer to try to quantify high-danger scoring opportunities both for and against while a player's on the ice. There are all sorts of tables and heat maps and such, some of which I vaguely understand and some of which might as well be written in Urdu. If you find a good basic introduction then please share it!
 
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#34,235
Vercingetorix said:
I don't think it's all that complicated but I've never found a good and concise explainer that answers all my questions, defines all the acronyms, etc. The first wave of stuff was more or less shot attempts for your team minus shot attempts by the other team while you're on the ice, which are then of course normalized various ways to try to isolate individual performance. Then they do something along the same lines as expected goals in soccer to try to quantify high-danger scoring opportunities both for and against while a player's on the ice. There are all sorts of tables and heat maps and such, some of which I vaguely understand and some of which might as well be written in Urdu. If you find a good basic introduction then please share it!
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This is a pretty brief primer on Corsi, which is actually pretty simple.

Corsi (statistic) - Wikipedia
More advanced hockey stats: Analytics (ice hockey) - Wikipedia
 
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#34,237
05_never_again said:
He's had 2 years hitting over .300 and another at .291. He's a better hitter for average than he's shown the last 2 years.
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Except his batting profile has changed. He use to be a spray hitter which would lead to his average but he’s become a pull hitter and it’s killimg his offensive value. He can’t pull for power so he keeps rolling over
 
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#34,238
zjcvols said:
Except his batting profile has changed. He use to be a spray hitter which would lead to his average but he’s become a pull hitter and it’s killimg his offensive value. He can’t pull for power so he keeps rolling over
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I think he’s still a pretty good player. A change of scenery might help him as much as anything else.
 
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#34,239
zjcvols said:
Except his batting profile has changed. He use to be a spray hitter which would lead to his average but he’s become a pull hitter and it’s killimg his offensive value. He can’t pull for power so he keeps rolling over
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Well, maybe it is as simple as him stopping trying to be a pull hitter. I'd be with you if he'd never demonstrated an ability to hit for a high average, but from 2014-2017 his BA was .295.

He's never been a great on-base guy, but he absolutely can be a .300 hitter.
 
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05_never_again said:
This is a pretty brief primer on Corsi, which is actually pretty simple.

Corsi (statistic) - Wikipedia
More advanced hockey stats: Analytics (ice hockey) - Wikipedia
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Corsi is obvious and straightforward. It gets way more complicated from there. As far as I can tell there are a bunch of sites with their own metrics and nowhere near the kind of widespread consensus that exists for baseball. It’s still early days.

So far my basic belief is that most of the advanced stats are really useful in evaluating defensemen, but forwards seem murkier. I might be wrong.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Corsi is obvious and straightforward. It gets way more complicated from there. As far as I can tell there are a bunch of sites with their own metrics and nowhere near the kind of widespread consensus that exists for baseball. It’s still early days.

So far my basic belief is that most of the advanced stats are really useful in evaluating defensemen, but forwards seem murkier. I might be wrong.
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Yeah, it just needs a lot more time. Sabermetrics started in essence when Bill James starting writing about it in the 70s. It didn't start to actually be used until the 90s, but was still firmly outside the mainstream. It's only become mainstream within the last decade. Hockey analytics in terms of innovation of the statistics is probably where sabermetrics was in the 90s, although advanced stats generally speaking are simply more accepted by teams than they used to be.
 
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Frank Thomas was the best right handed hitter in baseball for like six years. He had six 1.000 OPS seasons in a seven year stretch
 
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