The Alamo

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HotlantaVol said:
I think you are confusing MacArthur with McCarthy. I was referring to the general, not the Senator from Wisconsin.
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Your right I do apologize I should have read better, in that regard yes you are very right do you remember the parallel that was so controversial, sorry about the confusion
 
#27
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orangefan1998 said:
Your right I do apologize I should have read better, in that regard yes you are very right do you remember the parallel that was so controversial, sorry about the confusion
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Yep .. I think MacArthur should have kept on going, with Truman's blessing and (nuclear) support against China if needed. We're still in Korea, with a madman exporting weapons in the North, because of the partition.
 
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orangefan1998 said:
Your right I do apologize I should have read better, in that regard yes you are very right do you remember the parallel that was so controversial, sorry about the confusion
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The 38th Parallel.

MacArthur publicly pressed for action against mainland China, but privately only planned for strikes against Manchuria, where the terrain was more suitable for the mechanized American military machine. Without being able to fight the Chinese on ground of our own choosing, we would have never been able to secure Korea to the Yalu.
 
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orangefan1998 said:
This is a misconception, although not dumb at all, Tenn. was coined the volunteer state when Andrew Jackson took the Tenn. "Volunteers" to the battle of New Orleans and repelled the British. Where Jackson got most of his fame and glory, and Tennessee got the nickname volunteer state. Coincidentally Tenn. has more volunteers serving in the United States military than any other state.And it has been that way since that fateful battle. I am not a fan of Andrew Jackson, but that is another matter entirely. He choose gold over Indians and led them to slaughter.
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Beat me to it. :)

Although I'd say that the Texas war for independence from Mexico was a contributing factor in the name "Volunteer State" sticking. :thumbsup:
 
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HotlantaVol said:
Yep .. I think MacArthur should have kept on going, with Truman's blessing and (nuclear) support against China if needed. We're still in Korea, with a madman exporting weapons in the North, because of the partition.
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Couldn't you blame the Cold War on people not letting Patton go into Russia when he wanted to?
 
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justingroves said:
Couldn't you blame the Cold War on people not letting Patton go into Russia when he wanted to?
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Frankly, I don't know enough about Patton's intentions to comment on that. I do know that waging a ground campaign in Russia has typically been a losing proposition historically, from Napoleon to Hitler.
 
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rwemyss said:
Beat me to it. :)

Although I'd say that the Texas war for independence from Mexico was a contributing factor in the name "Volunteer State" sticking. :thumbsup:
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True...while we got the name in the Battle of New Orleans, it was revived in Texas...when after a particular Santa Anna beatdown, a Texan was to have said "It'll be ok men, the Volunteers from Tennessee will be here shortly".
 
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mcompton said:
True...while we got the name in the Battle of New Orleans, it was revived in Texas...when after a particular Santa Anna beatdown, a Texan was to have said "It'll be ok men, the Volunteers from Tennessee will be here shortly".
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While all that is true, remember that the reputation began at a little battle called Kings Mountain close to Charlotte, NC, where the frontiersmen from Western NC and East TN saved the Southern Campaign in the Revolutionary War, and Gen Nathanael Greene's ass (Cowpens).
 
#35
#35
UTLCA said:
While all that is true, remember that the reputation began at a little battle called Kings Mountain close to Charlotte, NC, where the frontiersmen from Western NC and East TN saved the Southern Campaign in the Revolutionary War, and Gen Nathanael Greene's ass (Cowpens).
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If by the "the frontiersmen...saved...Greene's [hind end]," you mean they were used simply as a decoy, while the regulars and the cavalry stood in ambush beyond the ridge, then you are dead on.

However, I doubt that is the sentiment you were trying to convey.
 
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No...At King's mountain there were all frontiersmen, no regulars.

They saved Greene's ass because he got the Regular Army destroyed at Cowpens and if Cornwallis was allowed to march through the middle and west of North Carolina instead of holing up in Charlotte and Wilmington, the war would have been over. By winning at King's Mountain, Cornwallis had to send for reinforcements, therefore delaying his attack and march through NC and letting Greene muster another large force to stall and further reduce the British at Guilford Courthouse.
 
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#37
therealUT said:
If by the "the frontiersmen...saved...Greene's [hind end]," you mean they were used simply as a decoy, while the regulars and the cavalry stood in ambush beyond the ridge, then you are dead on.

However, I doubt that is the sentiment you were trying to convey.
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I believe you are talking about Guilford Courthouse
 
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I was just referencing Cowpens and focusing on King's Mountain. Then what you said sounded exactly like Guilford. Anyway its settled.
 
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vol731 said:
so for some reason I just thought of this. Isn't the alamo, which I believe is in San Antonio, where we actually got our nickname as 'the volunteer state' hence the Vols.That can't hurt matters can it? Though I think we did lose that in the end:unsure:
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All the Tenneseeans at The Alamo died... :ermm:
 
#43
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orangefan1998 said:
This is a misconception, although not dumb at all, Tenn. was coined the volunteer state when Andrew Jackson took the Tenn. "Volunteers" to the battle of New Orleans and repelled the British. Where Jackson got most of his fame and glory, and Tennessee got the nickname volunteer state. Coincidentally Tenn. has more volunteers serving in the United States military than any other state. And it has been that way since that fateful battle. I am not a fan of Andrew Jackson, but that is another matter entirely. He choose gold over Indians and led them to slaughter.
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Per capita... I'm sure California has more by numbers.
 
#45
#45
vol731 said:
I thought they were all tree huggers? i could be wrong
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Today, they are, but if you look over the last 150 years, I'm sure either California, Texas, or New York have higher numbers than Tennessee.

Like I said, per capita, we are the Volunteer State...
 
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Not exactly the "Volunteer State"...
 
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#47
therealUT said:
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Not exactly the "Volunteer State"...
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Is there not a direct correlation to the # of recruits from an area and the job opportunities in that area. Also the amount of military presence in the state?

As far as our nick name goes I stand by it as a name earned!
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Is there not a direct correlation to the # of recruits from an area and the job opportunities in that area. Also the amount of military presence in the state?

As far as our nick name goes I stand by it as a name earned!
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Are you saying there are too many job opportunities in TN?

I think the nickname was earned in the 18th and 19th Centuries. However, Tennessee is by no means the military's biggest supplier of personnel (or personnel per capita.)
 
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