The 8 stages of a civilization. Where are we?

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Stages of Civilization

I think we are late into stage 7.

How Long Does USA Have? About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"

At which stage in this sequence do you believe our great nation is currently in?
 
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Between 7 and 8.

Anyone who doesn't realize this country is headed like a bullet train to its breaking point is a fool.

What people in this country don't realize is we are the world's drug addict.

They produce a product at a very low rate due to their low wages and over head and then turn around and sell it to us at 1000% profit and we eat it up.

When we cannot afford the $150.00 pair of Nikes that cost 3 bucks to make we then ask the government to support us.

The government then turns around and borrows money from the supplier (drug dealer) who charges interested and then uses the money to produce more product.

It's a joke of a system that we have created and it will lead to our downfall.
 
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Maybe 6. I certainly don't think we've seen the full possible extent of apathy
 
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What amazes me is that dude could be that spot on 2,000 years ago. Effing amazing.


7-8 imo
 
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Maybe 6. I certainly don't think we've seen the full extent of apathy

Really, after the last two general elections you still believe this?

I think we are as a population 75% or more there, there will always be segments that hold out but in general we are Rome in it's decline.
 
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I wonder what LG thinks? Electing Obama was a major turning point for our country. My guess would be #1
 
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Using a 220 year old rumination about a 2,000 year old society to forecast the future of this country?

Might as well use a ouija board,imo.


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I said 5 because I don't think the middle class has transitioned fully into Apathy yet. Despite the low numbers in the voting booths, a large percentage of the middle class voted. Plus, the middle class makes up the bulk of the recent political movements in the Tea Party, popularity of 3rd party candidates and so forth. And you still see middle class citizens being involved in local and state politics, sending their kids to college, holding onto their jobs and paying the mortgages.

That said, I know there are days I want to simply quit work, walk away from my mortgage and go get my Obama phone. But instead I continue to slug on at work, not very motivated and not very excited about the future. I make enough to pay the bills and eat out occasionally, but have little energy to do much more than take care of my own, and attend the occasional school board meeting. That is complacency to me. I'm not far from apathy, but I'm not there yet.

Once a majority of middle class folks decide to walk away from the obligations and stop participating in things outside of their homes, then we'll be fully into the next stage. Once we see somewhere in the 60-70% of Americans on government assistance long term, then we will be in the dependency stage--which will doom us.
 

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