The 247 Team Talent Composite for 2022 is Out

[unfrozencvmanvol]

The team talent composite ranks the CFB teams in order of the talent on their roster as determined by the composite recruiting rankings. It doesn't account for development, but it gives an idea of the raw talent on each team. The Vols are ranked # 19 this year.

The Vols opponents are ranked as follows:

# 1 Alabama
# 2 Georgia
# 8 LSU
# 12 Florida
# 20 South Carolina
# 27 Kentucky
# 31 Missouri
# 45 Pittsburgh
# 57 Vanderbilt
# 95 Akron
# 121 Ball State
# 152 UT Martin

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

 

[I Love Lamp]

Vanderbilt at 57 is absolutely shocking.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Vanderbilt at 57 is absolutely shocking.

That's a bottom feeder P5 ranking basically.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

See yall

Why are there people that lament the talent gap between us, (19) Florida (12) and LSU (8) talking about how significant it is and that's why we should be really worried about them and then have the same worry about Pitt (45)?

We ain't that far behind LSU and Florida. We have quite a bit more talent than Pitt.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

See yall

Why are there people that lament the talent gap between us, (19) Florida (12) and LSU (8) talking about how significant it is and that's why we should be really worried about them and then have the same worry about Pitt (45)?

We ain't that far behind LSU and Florida. We have quite a bit more talent than Pitt.

By the same token, there are those who think the talent gap between LSU/Florida and us is meaningless, and then turn right around and say we should bulldoze South Carolina, Kentucky and Missouri because "we have more talent than them".

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

By the same token, there are those who think the talent gap between LSU/Florida and us is meaningless, and then turn around and say we should bulldoze South Carolina, Kentucky and Missouri because "we have more talent than them".

Then we gotta get into coaching and experience.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Then we gotta get into coaching and experience.

My position is basically always that I just don't discount teams that have a lot of talent in any game because they can always put it together. It's like with LSU and Florida this year, I think we can beat both, however I'm not going to say that I think it's some huge failure if we don't. On paper, they've both got pretty good rosters still.

 

[BlinghamptonVol]

The team talent composite ranks the CFB teams in order of the talent on their roster as determined by the composite recruiting rankings. It doesn't account for development, but it gives an idea of the raw talent on each team. The Vols are ranked # 19 this year.

The Vols opponents are ranked as follows:

# 1 Alabama
# 2 Georgia
# 8 LSU
# 12 Florida
# 20 South Carolina
# 27 Kentucky
# 31 Missouri
# 45 Pittsburgh
# 57 Vanderbilt
# 95 Akron
# 121 Ball State
# 152 UT Martin

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

Well, Pitt sucks.

 

[thunder5]

We come in at #19...that's pretty impressive when you consider the defections of the 2021 class...we lost almost every highly ranked recruit we had in that class

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

We come in at #19...that's pretty impressive when you consider the defections of the 2021 class...we lost almost every highly ranked recruit we had in that class

We have bounced back and forth between 15 and 19 for many years at this point.

 

[orangebloodgmc]

Is this review based on adding/averaging recruit values from past recruiting classes, or is it looking at just the players actually at those schools now? Because, LSU recruited really well, but lost a ton of those guys to transfer and early departure to NFL.

 

[Adam Sandler]

The team talent composite ranks the CFB teams in order of the talent on their roster as determined by the composite recruiting rankings. It doesn't account for development, but it gives an idea of the raw talent on each team. The Vols are ranked # 19 this year.

The Vols opponents are ranked as follows:

# 1 Alabama
# 2 Georgia
# 8 LSU
# 12 Florida
# 20 South Carolina
# 27 Kentucky
# 31 Missouri
# 45 Pittsburgh
# 57 Vanderbilt
# 95 Akron
# 121 Ball State
# 152 UT Martin

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

Gap between us and uscjr is non-existent except we have much more resources at our disposal so we expect to develop better than them. Same can be said for uk. That said, the talent gap between us and uf is undeniable. Uf: 5 5*, 41 4*. UT: 2 5*, 24 4*. This needs to change for us to be competitive for the sec. Also, bama, uga, and osu are on a different tier than everyone. Nobody should expect the national champion to be anyone besides them without some serious momentum shifts in recruiting.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Well, Pitt sucks.

We have more raw talent than Pitt. As I said, it doesn't take into account development. Pitt has a good coach and has a lot of seniority along the LOS. It's also on the road. We should win, but it's one of those wait and see deals, I think. If they end up 10-2 or 11-1 again it'll look like a case of a team with a good coach who had a lot of seniors (and a good QB for the second year in a row). I try not to get too high after a win or too low after a loss. Again, I think we probably beat Pitt, but it's best to take the long view, if we did lose to them, hopefully those hyping them turn out to be right and they caught lightning in the bottle again.

 

[Voltopia]

The only thing I take from this chart, and it's no surprise, is that Tennessee is missing the depth to be a consistently competitive top 10 team - and so long as we're marching the defense out there for 35-40 minutes a game (especially without a Derek Barnett or Eric Berry who can change the game single-handedly) we're going to continue to surrender a lot of points.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Is this review based on adding/averaging recruit values from past recruiting classes, or is it looking at just the players actually at those schools now? Because, LSU recruited really well, but lost a ton of those guys to transfer and early departure to NFL.

It's just the players actually at those schools now. They update it every year.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Is this review based on adding/averaging recruit values from past recruiting classes, or is it looking at just the players actually at those schools now? Because, LSU recruited really well, but lost a ton of those guys to transfer and early departure to NFL.

Think it’s just the players on the roster. Note it’s 85 for most teams and typically over 4-5 classes you would have 100+ commits.

 

[sjt18]

Here is the roster talent composite according to 247 rankings. Four opponents have more "star" power than UT though two are "close enough" and have new coaches.

Eight opponents have less talent according to 247. Pitt... has significantly less talent

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

 

[jackaro]

I thought that Tennessee would be ranked 10-15. A bit discouraging to see where Florida is ranked.

 

[DawgInterloper]

The team talent composite ranks the CFB teams in order of the talent on their roster as determined by the composite recruiting rankings. It doesn't account for development, but it gives an idea of the raw talent on each team. The Vols are ranked # 19 this year.

The Vols opponents are ranked as follows:

# 1 Alabama
# 2 Georgia
# 8 LSU
# 12 Florida
# 20 South Carolina
# 27 Kentucky
# 31 Missouri
# 45 Pittsburgh
# 57 Vanderbilt
# 95 Akron
# 121 Ball State
# 152 UT Martin

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

These rosters they use for the Team Talent Composite are frequently riddled with errors and omissions. In your 2022 roster they seem to have excluded Tyre West and Kameron Miller from your rated players, which means they probably also included some walk-ons to get to 85. I don't know if that changed Tennessee's position in the ranking, but it does lower the average rating shown for Tennessee, and it decreases your 4 star count by one.

 

[hUTch2002]

Here is the roster talent composite according to 247 rankings. Four opponents have more "star" power than UT though two are "close enough" and have new coaches.

Eight opponents have less talent according to 247. Pitt... has significantly less talent

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

Tier 1 is the top 5. Then there’s another tier ahead of us that seems to cut off close to Auburn.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

These rosters they use for the Team Talent Composite are frequently riddled with errors and omissions. In your 2022 roster they seem to have excluded Tyre West and Kameron Miller from your rated players, which means they probably also included some walk-ons to get to 85. I don't know if that changed Tennessee's position in the ranking, but it does lower the average rating shown for Tennessee, and it decreases your 4 star count by one.

It's obviously a massive amount of information to keep up with on 200+ teams. What they usually do is put it out there and then let all the respective fanbases tell them of the handful of errors per team and then they correct it. I've never seen a team move more than one spot up or down in the correction process though.

 

[DawgInterloper]

It's obviously a massive amount of information to keep up with on 200+ teams. What they usually do is put it out there and then let all the respective fanbases tell them of the handful of errors per team and then they correct it. I've never seen a team move more than one spot up or down in the correction process though.

It's a lot of information, but more manageable than they make it look, IMO. For example, West and Miller along with their ratings should have been pulled into the 247 roster automatically. For some reasons 247 data doesn't automatically flow throughout their system (not just the talent page), which might mean they have redundant data.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

How depressing to see us just a smidge above South Carolina. Good grief.

Here is the roster talent composite according to 247 rankings. Four opponents have more "star" power than UT though two are "close enough" and have new coaches.

Eight opponents have less talent according to 247. Pitt... has significantly less talent

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

I bet you hate seeing this lol

 

[sjt18]

I bet you hate seeing this lol

Why would I? If the recruiting sites were as accurate as you think there would be no reason to play the games. You'd just use this to declare a national champion every year.

The recruiting rankings have "relative" and general value. The number 10 team probably has more talent than number 20 with descending likelihood as you go to 19, 18, 17.... 11. The results I posted a while back show this very clearly.


But the gap between all of those in the top 25 or so except for the top 3 to 5... includes the inaccuracy of the recruit rankings, development, coaching, playcalling, etc. Tillman, Small, Sampson, Warren, Charles, McDonald, Young, and others drive UT's ranking down. They're just pathetic 3* players... right?

You are the kind of special pleading when it comes to guys like that.

The "right" coach will do his own evaluations. He will take guys like Sampson. He will "see" something in them that apparently LSU, TAM, Bama, et al missed. He will probably go the Clemson route and find talent that the recruiting sites just don't love.

You will hate seeing it... you'll pout and whine the whole way about how other teams are so far ahead and UT will never beat them.... just like you've been doing it. But it is VERY unlikely that UT climbs out of the hole it has been in by going head to head with Bama and UGA and winning consistently.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Why would I? If the recruiting sites were as accurate as you think there would be no reason to play the games. You'd just use this to declare a national champion every year.

The recruiting rankings have "relative" and general value. The number 10 team probably has more talent than number 20 with descending likelihood as you go to 19, 18, 17.... 11. The results I posted a while back show this very clearly.


But the gap between all of those in the top 25 or so except for the top 3 to 5... includes the inaccuracy of the recruit rankings, development, coaching, playcalling, etc. Tillman, Small, Sampson, Warren, Charles, McDonald, Young, and others drive UT's ranking down. They're just pathetic 3* players... right?

You are the kind of special pleading when it comes to guys like that.

The "right" coach will do his own evaluations. He will take guys like Sampson. He will "see" something in them that apparently LSU, TAM, Bama, et al missed. He will probably go the Clemson route and find talent that the recruiting sites just don't love.

You will hate seeing it... you'll pout and whine the whole way about how other teams are so far ahead and UT will never beat them.... just like you've been doing it. But it is VERY unlikely that UT climbs out of the hole it has been in by going head to head with Bama and UGA and winning consistently.

It’s like I and others keep talking you. This list reiterates it yet you still cannot see it. Look at the teams with the most talent. What do they have in common? They are the big dogs. The cream of the crop. The teams with the HIGHEST RATED PLAYERS!!! There is always reason to play the games. But this list tells you, with actual hard data, that if you want to win national championships, you have got to have the blue chip recruits.

No our 3* players aren’t pathetic. But the pint is you cannot win national championships with rosters that are comprised of more lower ranked players.