The "0-9 Rule"

[TommyJoe]

Take over a dumpster fire and you have three years to beat three teams, one is the current nat’l champion and another was in the championship and has won it most other years. The third was in the SEC championship the year before.

Not a dumb rule at all.

Thank you man.

 

[DaddyChad]

Take over a dumpster fire and you have three years to beat three teams, one is the current nat’l champion and another was in the championship and has won it most other years. The third was in the SEC championship the year before.

Not a dumb rule at all.

DO NOT bring logic into this bat chit crazy discussion sir!!!!

 

[bigdaddy]

Does A no longer kick off the alphabet?

Underrated post here

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

What? Florida should be down. First year HC and we are at home no excuse this season.

Florida was 7th on the team talent composite last year, we were 19th. The cupboard is not going to be bare down there. It's going to be a coin flip at best, not a "should win".

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

DO NOT bring logic into this bat chit crazy discussion sir!!!!

My bad. Forgot where I was for a moment.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

A better thread title would’ve been:
The “0-9 Dumb Idea”

 

[LWSVOL]

Us vs the Gators transcends all understanding and completely nullifies any coach’s ability to coach a game. I’m sure even Heupel was baffled to see his offense, which at that point had put up 38, 34, and 56, and the week after Florida would put up 62 in SEC play, somehow only muster up 14 points.

I’m sure someone had warned him about the curse, but after watching his dynamic playmakers in his brilliant offense fumble the ball, drop passes that hit them right in the numbers, get sacked 4 times, and get blown up in the backfield 7 times, he probably started believing it was real.

I mean Tillman had 3 catches for 10 yards. Tillman.

It’s really beyond comprehension. We scored more points against Georgia than Florida.

it is really simple and too many make it complicated.

Florida always has better talent than Tennessee. Tennessee has to play an almost perfect game to have a chance to beat them.

Florida will have better talent than Tennessee in 2022. The new component for Florida is a different coaching staff. Can't predict how they factor.

Talent generally prevails

 

[LWSVOL]

Having watched this annual debacle for years, one of the shinning differences is (and has always been) their corner and safety play. They jam/interfere with UT receivers at will. Rarely, if ever, get called. Meanwhile, UT's corners are 5 yards off the receivers allowing them to get separation. It's insane.

that is due to the difference in talent. their talent is just much better than Tennessee's

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

it is really simple and too many make it complicated.

Florida always has better talent than Tennessee. Tennessee has to play an almost perfect game to have a chance to beat them.

Florida will have better talent than Tennessee in 2022. The new component for Florida is a different coaching staff. Can't predict how they factor.

Talent generally prevails

Florida also typically has more talent than South Carolina. We also typically also have more talent than South Carolina.

Yet South Carolina is 6-6 against them in their last 12 games.

 

[ftsandersvol]

We aren’t gonna sniff a top 5 class anytime soon.

We’ll leave that to Bryan Harsin.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Florida also typically has more talent than South Carolina. We also typically also have more talent than South Carolina.

Yet South Carolina is 6-6 against them in their last 12 games.

Can we pleeaaaaeee beat Florida this year

Dedicate the entire offseason to do so.

 

[SugarCC]

7th in the SEC. 16th ranked recruiting class doesn't really mean much

the NCAA stuff really should be a non-factor. If it is then that's a UT problem because they should have told them to pound sand a long time ago

It does whenever we're 73-75 since 2010; haven't won 10 games in 15 years (this year's recruits were 3 years old); haven't had back to back winning seasons in 6 years; have had 5 head coaches since 2010; went 3-7 just a year prior; have the NCAA up our ass; have been the laughing stock of college football, and the punchline of all the media for over a decade...

I could go on; but, with that, I'm going to trust your intelligence to see the ignorance of your statement (not a knock...ive made many in my day, as well). 7-6 does not erase all of that...doesn't even come close. However, with the rabbit Heupel was able to pull from the hat on the field, he was able to actually put together a very nice class, considering all that I have listed, and more.

Meaning, it truly DOES mean a whole hell of a lot. Majority of all schools have the history we have had the last decade or so, they're not even recruiting in the top 50, much less the top 15.

 

[SugarCC]

Yeah they would. What's to gain from keeping it secret?

Maybe it's just a secret to the media--->general public? I'm sure Heupel and Co are explaining ALL to recruits and families.

What do we have to gain by revealing it to the media is the better question, imo...a media that has drug us for over a decade? Although a smart move (reducing on our own, at our own pace and terms), the media would somehow paint it as the most negative thing in the history of negative things, as they have done COUNTLESS times with us...then they rush to social media (where recruits live) with headlines like "TOXIC", "SCANDAL", "CONTROVERSY", and the like; recruits read their OUTRIGHT negative bullsh!t, and don't even answer the phone whenever Heupel and Co call. This way, keep it out of the media the best you can, get kids on campus with visits, and explain it to them and their parents face to face, or during those phone calls. The last thing we need is more and more negative press across social media; just look how we got drug about the Ole Miss game...something that has happened EVERYWHERE...there were some talking heads even suggesting we should have to compete our home games in an empty stadium, can you believe that sh!t?!?!

Anyway...just a thought.

 

[TNnative]

Unfortunately for us, no one's ever going to tell kids where they have to go college. We're going to have to get back in this with elbow grease. Going to have to build up to it. Majors didn't instantly make us a juggernaught. We became respectable, year in, year out, and finally when some other teams fell on hard times with bad coaches, we stepped into the power vacuum. That's what we'll have to do again.

You know, I can see where some folks would start thinking that way. And while I believe in creating stability and respectability year in and year out? That still can lead to retaining mediocre people within the organization. And the good ole boys system of having folks employed that aren't really giving you your" money's worth".

Whenever it comes time to renew contracts, you don't just renew someone you feel has done, an "OK" job. You renew the folks who are the very best, or replace them with people on track and motivated to be the very best. If you become the best, you do not have to wait for a power vacuum. You create the power vacuum that resonates throughout your organization, and makes it the very best, rather than needing a talking head to claim you are the very best.

However, the route you are talking about is probably how that will go. Hopefully, we won't have to wait too long, and they will luck into some special years. Keep wishing.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

You know, I can see where some folks would start thinking that way. And while I believe in creating stability and respectability year in and year out? That still can lead to retaining mediocre people within the organization. And the good ole boys system of having folks employed that aren't really giving you your" money's worth".

Whenever it comes time to renew contracts, you don't just renew someone you feel has done, an "OK" job. You renew the folks who are the very best, or replace them with people on track and motivated to be the very best. If you become the best, you do not have to wait for a power vacuum. You create the power vacuum that resonates throughout your organization, and makes it the very best, rather than needing a talking head to claim you are the very best.

However, the route you are talking about is probably how that will go. Hopefully, we won't have to wait too long, and they will luck into some special years. Keep wishing.

We've been trying the fahr errybody approach for a dozen years plus and about half the time we haven't even been good enough to be considered mediocre.

 

[Firebirdparts]

You know, I can see where some folks would start thinking that way. And while I believe in creating stability and respectability year in and year out? That still can lead to retaining mediocre people within the organization. And the good ole boys system of having folks employed that aren't really giving you your" money's worth".

Whenever it comes time to renew contracts, you don't just renew someone you feel has done, an "OK" job. You renew the folks who are the very best, or replace them with people on track and motivated to be the very best. If you become the best, you do not have to wait for a power vacuum. You create the power vacuum that resonates throughout your organization, and makes it the very best, rather than needing a talking head to claim you are the very best.

However, the route you are talking about is probably how that will go. Hopefully, we won't have to wait too long, and they will luck into some special years. Keep wishing.

I have no say so in this, but I feel very confident that whatever others do, Tennessee will never succeed with this mentality. Not enough tools in the toolbox.

 

[sechamp2012]

it is really simple and too many make it complicated.

Florida always has better talent than Tennessee. Tennessee has to play an almost perfect game to have a chance to beat them.

Florida will have better talent than Tennessee in 2022. The new component for Florida is a different coaching staff. Can't predict how they factor.

Talent generally prevails

THIS^
IMO the only way we beat 1 of these 3 is
1. Their QB gets hurt early and backup comes in and throws 3 picks at least one going for a TD, ala JG.
2. Also getting a Special Teams TD and /or either a pick 6 or fumble return TD and cross our fingers Refs don't nullify it with a flag or nonsensical rule
3. We have to have a Heisman type year from our QB, if that happens that will mean our Receivers are having a great year which should open up our running game.
$. To beat these 3 or 1 on these 3 all these things need to happen in the game, we've had so much bad luck it's time.
I call this "The Trifecta Rule".
Hope Springs Eternal

 

[kcvols1]

You've probably never heard of the 0-9 rule because I am the creator of it. Even though I feel certain that Heupel will easily pass the 0-9 rule, and I think that we finally have found the long term solution with him, still, the 0-9 rule should apply. Here is the 0-9 rule:

After 3 years, if your combined record against: (in alphabetical order here) Florida, Georgia and Alabama is 0-9 then you have to go. At present Heupel is 0-3. 1-8 you keep your spot. 0-9 over any three year span, you're gone.

There was a day once upon a time that I would have never dreamed that my personal requirements for keeping a head coach would be so low. But, it is what it is. The 0-9 rule should be our minimum requirement at this time.

With all due respect,

Stop it.

It feels like you’re advocating for the definition of insanity, as this attitude also brought the program to this state.

We still have to work on beating UK, Cocky, Mizzou, & Vandy consistently.

That said, this year seems a prime opportunity to nip hard on the Gators’ heels.

 

[LWSVOL]

Florida also typically has more talent than South Carolina. We also typically also have more talent than South Carolina.

Yet South Carolina is 6-6 against them in their last 12 games.

I would not agree that Tennessee has typically had more talent than Carolina the last 12 years. Close to same talent with Carolina having more stable coaching.

Carolina has won 47 SEC games the last 12 years and Tennessee has won 33.

Agree Florida has more than both programs.

JMO

 

[rocky top buzz]

You’re all over the place! We could lose 2 out of 3 to SC, Mizzou, and UK and UK has better players but you think we will beat either Bama or UGA. Whew. I just got whiplash.

Re-read my post. I said "could" win/lose. And I'm not wrong. Pretty sure in 2021 TAMU beat bama but lost to a bad lsu team. That's what CFB used to be before 2010 when super teams came to rise. It can still happen even if not as regularly as in the past.

 

[hUTch2002]

Re-read my post. I said "could" win/lose. And I'm not wrong. Pretty sure in 2021 TAMU beat bama but lost to a bad lsu team. That's what CFB used to be before 2010 when super teams came to rise. It can still happen even if not as regularly as in the past.

Possible? Sure. Just like Lloyd Christmas.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Re-read my post. I said "could" win/lose. And I'm not wrong. Pretty sure in 2021 TAMU beat bama but lost to a bad lsu team. That's what CFB used to be before 2010 when super teams came to rise. It can still happen even if not as regularly as in the past.

A&M was a lot closer to Bama in talent than we are. Last year, A&M was 8th in overall team talent on the team talent composite, while Bama was 1st. If and when we get that close to Bama in talent, I'll be alot more optimistic that we can take them down under the right conditions (Bama played sloppy that night and A&M had insane home field advantage). Also that bad LSU team you speak of was 5th in overall talent.

 

[cyclevol]

I agree. Florida at present is a different animal, it's psychological with them. However, it's objectively unreasonable to EXPECT us to beat Alabama or Georgia any time in the near future. People who don't follow recruiting don't realize how badly we've been lapped by those 2. For example, this cycle Bama signed 15 national top 100 players. UGA signed 11. We signed zero. Every recruiting class still on campus at the 3 schools going back 5 years is similarly slanted in their favor. The portal is not going to even that out. They do as well or better than we do there also anyway. Heupel does not need to be judged by his performance against those two schools. It's just not realistic, especially as long as Pruitt's parting gift of the NCAA investigation is still hanging over our heads.

It has become partly psychological, but it has always been a product of the schedule and timing of our experience vs theirs. If the game had been played later in the year we would have won a lot more often.

 

[CAVPUT]

Does A no longer kick off the alphabet?

The letter "A" probably offended or made someone uncomfortable so it got pushed to the end.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

It has become partly psychological, but it has always been a product of the schedule and timing of our experience vs theirs. If the game had been played later in the year we would have won a lot more often.

IDK, differences in depth between teams is more pronounced later in the year. The deeper teams usually fare better as the season goes on, and Florida is usually deeper than we are.