The "0-9 Rule"

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Wireless1 said:
I respectfully disagree. Our "uniqueness" give all three fits. There will be more video next year for them to study, but our lack of depth is what sank us in the 4th quarter against Bama and UGA this year. If any of those teams don't properly prepare we stand a chance.
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The depth gap is growing, not shrinking.

I wouldn’t count of a lack of preparedness from Alabama or Georgia, there’s a reason both are constantly at the top, and it’s not from overlooking opponents.

Giving them “fits” is just another word for a moral victory.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ah yes this is exactly what the university needs. This rule will fix everything. Regardless of the situation or circumstances, 3 years is all a head coach gets. Heupel facing unprecedented circumstances that NO TN HC has EVER faced? Doesn’t matter. Scholarship reductions that were not his fault? Doesn’t matter.

I am so glad that posters on VN aren’t athletic directors.
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There's been no scholarship reductions.
 
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Backwards K said:
The biggest problem with the program still today is that UT hired a weak, mealy mouthed bean counter (Mike Hamilton) as the Athletic Director and he listened to the lowest common denominator of the fan base in making his decisions regarding firing and hiring coaches. The program has never recovered from that. Some folks would be better off just staying off message boards and sports talk.
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Hamilton never listened to the fan base.
 
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The mess Pruitt left, the who knows when it is resolved by the NCAA, and the impact of NIL make the 0-9 rule old school

Just look at the Vol transfer out list this season. Other than the RB to Louisville, where our outgoing transfers went shows what level we had vs bama/dawgs/gators.
It's going to take awhile, but in the meantime I hope we play exciting ball for a change
 
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I4Vols said:
In a "formal" sense you are correct.
On reality, we don't know what UT has decided to do.
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If they were self imposing reductions it would be announced. They wouldn't let Hype twist in the wind and look like a piss poor recruiter by keeping them secret.
 
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hog88 said:
If they were self imposing reductions it would be announced. They wouldn't let Hype twist in the wind and look like a piss poor recruiter by keeping them secret.
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He's not a piss poor recruiter, we had the No. 16 class on the composite, which frankly, exceeded my expectations given the cloud of the NCAA investigation. It's just Bama and UGA are elite recruiting going back 5 years or longer. No one is really comparable to them on bringing in talent on a yearly basis except maybe 2-3 other teams in the whole country. They've been 1-2 on the 247 team talent composite the last 2 years and I think the year before that they were No. 2 and No. 3. We could be good enough to beat all but 10 teams in the country and still be behind them. It's going to take time, multiple years to consistently compete with them and more than likely one or both is going to have to fall back to us some to do it. It can happen, but until this NCAA stuff is over Heupel isn't on a level playing field compared to where say Butch and Pruitt were the first day they took the jobs. If we can win 7-9 games for the next 3-4 years, we'll be building back to respectability, and that's when we make the second jump. Again, that's what Majors did.
 
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Sure if we go 9-3 overall, but lose to uf/uga/bama, let's fire him and see what top 5 coach wants to come here 😅

Honestly, all he needs to do is not have a disastrous 2017 type of season and we should let him go full Stoops.
 
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TommyJoe said:
You've probably never heard of the 0-9 rule because I am the creator of it. Even though I feel certain that Heupel will easily pass the 0-9 rule, and I think that we finally have found the long term solution with him, still, the 0-9 rule should apply. Here is the 0-9 rule:

After 3 years, if your combined record against: (in alphabetical order here) Florida, Georgia and Alabama is 0-9 then you have to go. At present Heupel is 0-3. 1-8 you keep your spot. 0-9 over any three year span, you're gone.

There was a day once upon a time that I would have never dreamed that my personal requirements for keeping a head coach would be so low. But, it is what it is. The 0-9 rule should be our minimum requirement at this time.
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So if Heupel goes 9-3 or 10-3 with a bowl win in each of the next 2 years with losses only to the 3 teams you mentioned, you want him canned?
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
He's not a piss poor recruiter, we had the No. 16 class on the composite, which frankly, exceeded my expectations given the cloud of the NCAA investigation. It's just Bama and UGA are elite recruiting going back 5 years or longer. No one is really comparable to them on bringing in talent on a yearly basis except maybe 2-3 other teams in the whole country. They've been 1-2 on the 247 team talent composite the last 2 years and I think the year before that they were No. 2 and No. 3. We could be good enough to beat all but 10 teams in the country and still be behind them. It's going to take time, multiple years to consistently compete with them and more than likely one or both is going to have to fall back to us some to do it. It can happen, but until this NCAA stuff is over Heupel isn't on a level playing field compared to where say Butch and Pruitt were the first day they took the jobs. If we can win 7-9 games for the next 3-4 years, we'll be building back to respectability, and that's when we make the second jump. Again, that's what Majors did.
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7th in the SEC. 16th ranked recruiting class doesn't really mean much

the NCAA stuff really should be a non-factor. If it is then that's a UT problem because they should have told them to pound sand a long time ago
 
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Volnbeers said:
7th in the SEC. 16th ranked recruiting class doesn't really mean much

the NCAA stuff really should be a non-factor. If it is then that's a UT problem because they should have told them to pound sand a long time ago
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I'm very aware of how strong our conference is, but there isn't the magnitude of a talent gap between us and any of our other permanent opponents that there is between us and Bama/UGA. It should be noted also that 7th in the SEC is about where Pruitt usually landed despite cheating. If you don't think other schools are negative recruiting us about the investigation and it's potential impact on the recruits down the line and our overall competitiveness, you're being kinda naive my friend. And like LWS says it's hard to Monday morning quarterback the University's strategy in dealing with the investigation until we know exactly what Pruitt was caught doing and how certain it was to get out no matter what. Once we know that, which we currently don't, we might can form a rational judgment but either way our course in dealing with the investigation, was not chosen by Heupel, that decision was made above him and before him and the consequences aren't his fault.
 
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aTm just had, according to the so called experts, the greatest recruiting class of all time. 2022 will be Jimbo's 4th season there and he hasn't done much more than Sumlin did. NIL will change the dynamics of college football going forward, regardless of if Fisher wants to admit the Texas schools apparently have a system that they can use to lure in the elite-ist of the elite.
 
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Volnbeers said:
7th in the SEC. 16th ranked recruiting class doesn't really mean much

the NCAA stuff really should be a non-factor. If it is then that's a UT problem because they should have told them to pound sand a long time ago
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You're literally talking 2nd tier in the SEC.

Look at the marginal differences. It's TAMU (1a) BAMA 1(a) and UGA (1b)

Then a huge gap.

Then LSU, uk, ut, mizzou, auburn, usc.

For all intents and purposes we're simply 2nd in the East and tied for 4th in the SEC with almost half of the league.

It is what it is, but Mizzou and UK just binked good classes when we're at our lowest point and we're still tied.

It's only up from here.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes but the longer it takes us to start signing top 5 classes just means more 0 for years.
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You make it sound like signing too 5 classes should be easy and simple. This isn’t the Butch years where Heupel can sign 60+ recruits in 2 years. We aren’t gonna sniff a top 5 class anytime soon.
 
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Devo182 said:
From all talk, it sounds like we've already been imposing them. That's why we can't add till post-spring.

If NCAA wants to pile on top of everything we've already done, so be it. Guess we'll find out...in about 5 years.
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Yep. It seems that some fans just don’t want to accept the facts regarding recruiting.
 
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Volnbeers said:
7th in the SEC. 16th ranked recruiting class doesn't really mean much

the NCAA stuff really should be a non-factor. If it is then that's a UT problem because they should have told them to pound sand a long time ago
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Your last few sentences show an utter lack of common sense.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Your last few sentences show an utter lack of common sense.
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not really sure where i'm lacking common sense.

we seem to be the only school taking the NCAA seriously and it's silly and it's hindering our ability to take the next step. but hey at least we're taking the moral high ground.
 
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