That's racist!

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NCFisher said:
Logically, "Maga" is the only game in town, currently. Then there's the Dem Party, socialists, or whatever it is they've become. I think people who find the 2nd option absolutely not an option, should observe where we are as a nation.

-Literally half the country cannot observe basic biology, insist that our children cannot be transitioned by government agencies without our knowledge or consent, without being termed Nazis. And those parents threatened while being labeled 'domestic terrorists' by our DOJ.
-The sitting government perform its core function of national security and enforce its borders, without being termed Nazis.
-That our intel agencies/law enforcement/judiciary attempted a junta and put their finger on the scale of a presidential election in 2020, and attempted to usurp a sitting president for four years prior. Regime change attempt on a scale that Russia/China exclaims "***** impressive!"
-That our 46th president and his party termed SCOTUS illegitimate numerous occasions, voicing threats towards conservative members while encouraging their constituency to do the same, even as threats - including a would-be assassin - escalated.
-That the non-mega party ran the same blueprint against Trump's 2nd run and nearly succeeded in having him removed by a bullet, even as for the first time in our history they attempted to remove a presidential candidate from the ballot in about 35 states.

That's just hitting a few high notes demonstrating how precipitously we're perched. So, yeah, currently 'Maga' is the only choice and tearing out by the roots nearly a century of institutionally imbedded Marxists and their vanguard progressives, is nasty work. A whole lot of return to rule of law and restoring sense of national identity need occur, then we can worry about Maga alternatives or its evolution.
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everything looks better if you focus on the flaws of others while ignoring your own issues.

1. Trump has ignored the courts when it fits him, and played to the courts when it fits him.
2. he has gone after multiple Constitutional rights, habeas corpus, birthright citizenship.
3. spending is a joke, its up over where Biden was.
4. the police state has gotten far worse
5. complaining about China makes no sense given the way Trump hasn't handled them with the tariffs, his biggest moves so far.
6. speaking of the tariffs he has done more damage than good, and the only good is the promise for better future. but that relies too much on "I am from the government, and I am here to help" for me to ever like.

the only reason there are "only" two options is because that is what the citizens have accepted. both parties are pissing on their constituents but sell it by telling them they are pissing worse on their opponents. which completely ignores the fact that we are all Americans and you can't make it worse on one half without impacting the other half too. its a self defeating strategy that has lead us down the current mess we are in.
 
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LouderVol said:
everything looks better if you focus on the flaws of others while ignoring your own issues.

1. Trump has ignored the courts when it fits him, and played to the courts when it fits him.
2. he has gone after multiple Constitutional rights, habeas corpus, birthright citizenship.
3. spending is a joke, its up over where Biden was.
4. the police state has gotten far worse
5. complaining about China makes no sense given the way Trump hasn't handled them with the tariffs, his biggest moves so far.
6. speaking of the tariffs he has done more damage than good, and the only good is the promise for better future. but that relies too much on "I am from the government, and I am here to help" for me to ever like.

the only reason there are "only" two options is because that is what the citizens have accepted. both parties are pissing on their constituents but sell it by telling them they are pissing worse on their opponents. which completely ignores the fact that we are all Americans and you can't make it worse on one half without impacting the other half too. its a self defeating strategy that has lead us down the current mess we are in.
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When did he suspend habeas corpus? Was it on illegal aliens who were not American citizens? The police state, is that also for illegal aliens? Who have no rights as an American citizen. Fact is, You Don't Know Jack if the tariffs work or not. It's obvious the trade imbalance has gone against us for years and it needs to be leveled out
 
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Back to reality...

Here's "Holly". The female that was assaulted by multiple men and a woman in Cincy.

Multiple media outlets have reported this as non-race related but I have to disagree with them. Had the roles been reversed, the feds would have proceeded with hate crime charges.


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LouderVol said:
everything looks better if you focus on the flaws of others while ignoring your own issues.

1. Trump has ignored the courts when it fits him, and played to the courts when it fits him.
2. he has gone after multiple Constitutional rights, habeas corpus, birthright citizenship.
3. spending is a joke, its up over where Biden was.
4. the police state has gotten far worse
5. complaining about China makes no sense given the way Trump hasn't handled them with the tariffs, his biggest moves so far.
6. speaking of the tariffs he has done more damage than good, and the only good is the promise for better future. but that relies too much on "I am from the government, and I am here to help" for me to ever like.

the only reason there are "only" two options is because that is what the citizens have accepted. both parties are pissing on their constituents but sell it by telling them they are pissing worse on their opponents. which completely ignores the fact that we are all Americans and you can't make it worse on one half without impacting the other half too. its a self defeating strategy that has lead us down the current mess we are in.
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Ah, I should let idyllic be the enemy of demonstrable progress, better should suffer at the hands of perfect?

1. When? The admin has bent over backwards to legitimately challenge courts grotesque overreaches and separation of powers boundaries. When treading questionable ground, they returned the terrorist simp, known fondly as the Maryland man, for example. To act as though he's standing in defiance of the court against any circumstance; that is not true.
2. He's rightfully challenging birthright citizenship through the court and it's simmering there. Because something has become accepted practice does not mean it is constitutionally lawful. Thus far, there is a conversation re: circumstances under which habeas corpus may be legitimately suspended, such as invasion. I would say that because the last admin allowed invasion via dereliction of duty, we have been invaded.
3. I'll put the concerns I listed above spending, everyday. For example, a functioning education system could go a long way to illuminating the debt problem, which neither party is a good shepherd of.
4. To claim the police state has gotten worse since inauguration is baffling. You're literally witnessing - at the highest levels as the admin is releasing dirt on our intel and vaunted law enforcement agencies - the attempt to put the malevolent genie in the bottle.
5. & 6. Bessent gave insight into the approach with China recently but even so, I think we (the public) are not privy to the China strategy, nor the totality of the tariff strategy which is far more than tariffs. There is a hubris and a sense of entitlement while holding an information pipeline in our hot little hands, that urges us to be the first to make authoritative declarations and be informed of what is essentially a strategy of national security. I understand the urge afflicting some/many, but I'm fine waiting to see things develop that not a single expert on this forum could begin to legitimately posture about. It's performative forum art.

Yeah, I use to waste votes on libertarians, too, and even a Dem here or there. F*** that. Best bet is to change the party most closely affiliated with the rule of law and American values. That clearly isn't the party that's been putting socialists in office for decades when they lie even as taking oath of office. You simply cannot be a Marxist offshoot of any stripe and protect and defend the Constitution. It's a disgrace we even allow it and stupid to think the Constitution demands we commit national suicide by inserting citizen enemies. We used to marginalize Marxists; we should resume.

In this moment, Trump is the change agent who single-handedly reformed the entire party of Neo-cons, flaccid conservatives with no iron and no allegiance beyond their office, and made new domestic political alliances. Orthodoxy brought us to this precipice; he is definitely not that. It is a national sea change, and I simply don't care that some are discomfited by it.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
^^^ cannot like or endorse this post enough. Thank you.

In an age of endless hyperbole...the 2024 election was truly the most important in my 48 years of life. Likely the most important in close to a century. This country's leadership (the Left) absolutely lost their freaking minds and spent 4 years laying waste to our nation. It had become a sad and hateful caricature of the country I was raised in. There is still much work to be done, but Trump has been extremely productive thus far.

We take the rise of Socialism/Communism in this country seriously or it will be our end. What has happened in the NW corner of the country and now in NYC are the canary in the coalmine. Ask any immigrant who has lived in or near a Socialist country how serious we should take this threat...Cubans, Venezuelans, anyone from a former Soviet country. They will scream and yell about the foolishness of the modern Left. They have seen real poverty which Americans cannot even imagine.
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I agree and I've never liked the recurring 2-year 'whip 'em to a frenzy' attempts of declaring every election THE ONE. I think Europe - Western Europe, specifically - is screwed and the same forces that have so corroded those nations became incensed and exposed themselves in Trump's first term. They then became outwardly emboldened during Biden's terms, making gains literally eclipsing decades of effort prior. In the goal of toppling Western society, constitutional representative government based on individual liberty and market systems, we are the prize. Take down the U.S. constitutional system and the world enters a new Dark Ages that Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler - and FDR - would rebrand as the Great something or other.

Every org or movement has three levels: street and supervisors, mid-management, and the executive suite. I think most street bolsheviks have purposely been educated to not know the grim harvest of 20th century Marxism. It wouldn't matter, though, to most of them. Mid-level knows and works to get into the boardroom. The executives will always have Starbucks and chateaubriand. They may say - even tell themselves - that wasn't really socialist communism in Russia, China, S.America, etc. The fact is, they simply don't care. Even the smallest group of persons want influence, constantly. Even when well-meaning, it's a God-seed or trace residue of creation, perhaps, that we and our cadre know better and if only we can get the levers....that I write this shows me to be infected, as well.

It is a belief system no less than religious faith, except that unlike no evidence God doesn't exist, we've seen Marxism's mountains of bodies. But, whether true believer or aspiring totalitarian, they simply don't care because the virus of liberty only dies with the host.
 
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NCFisher said:
Then best not to toss fruit at a barren orchard, I guess.

Edit: that sounded derogatory, but I'm saying that if we can't agree the institution of education is mostly failure and worth fighting to reform, we'll not agree on anything.
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The problem is you seem to think the way the current political climate is set up will itself allow any reform.

Trump and the Republicans have done very little permanent, meaningful change in anything. They don't have any reason to. Nothing the federal government touches- and very few of our other institutions- are worth attempting to reform. The only thing that will fix anything is a reset. And that doesn't have to be catastrophic.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The problem is you seem to think the way the current political climate is set up will itself allow any reform.

Trump and the Republicans have done very little permanent, meaningful change in anything. They don't have any reason to. Nothing the federal government touches- and very few of our other institutions- are worth attempting to reform. The only thing that will fix anything is a reset. And that doesn't have to be catastrophic.
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We'll see how the rest works but I think you could already say immigration has basically been reset. (still in process)
 
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ButchPlz said:
The problem is you seem to think the way the current political climate is set up will itself allow any reform.

Trump and the Republicans have done very little permanent, meaningful change in anything. They don't have any reason to. Nothing the federal government touches- and very few of our other institutions- are worth attempting to reform. The only thing that will fix anything is a reset. And that doesn't have to be catastrophic.
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Any reset will be catastrophic, in terms of the economy, markets, SS and Disability payments, etc. Any reform with the current and any future administrations will not be completed to a unanimous/majority approval from citizens, much less the elected politicians representing those citizens. While one party is in control and attempting to reform, the other party will do what they've always done, install one road block after another, i.e. within the courts and judges rulings.
 
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ETV said:
Any reset will be catastrophic, in terms of the economy, markets, SS and Disability payments, etc. Any reform with the current and any future administrations will not be completed to a unanimous/majority approval from citizens, much less the elected politicians representing those citizens. While one party is in control and attempting to reform, the other party will do what they've always done, install one road block after another, i.e. within the courts and judges rulings.
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Any reset will not be catastrophic. The reset happens over time as you focus on your community. Do what you can, locally, to make people realize they don't need what the government is selling. Create jobs. Create community. Improve your churches.

Doing the equivalent of bleating at clouds and telling me I need to vote for one team is the wrong answer and at this stage it's the stupidest answer. It's worthless to yell about whatever twisted moral stand you want to take when you're not doing a single damn thing about improving the fundamental situation of people around you. That's the legacy of the boomer generation.
 
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ButchPlz said:
By what measure?
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Seriously? The entire concept of how immigration can be handled has been turned on it's head under Trump/Holman. Remember these days?

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Not only is that not even remotely a thing now but anyone that ever argues that's acceptable or "just part of the world we live in" will instantly expose themselves as being wholly FOS.
 
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hndog609 said:
Seriously? The entire concept of how immigration can be handled has been turned on it's head under Trump/Holman. Remember these days?

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Not only is that not even remotely a thing now but anyone that ever argues that's acceptable or "just part of the world we live in" will instantly expose themselves as being wholly FOS.
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I am serious. More than stopping these border crossings, we need to be actually undertaking mass deportations and curbing programs like H1B.

Trump slowed border crossings in his first term and literally nothing ended up fixed. His current actions are noise for idiots while everyone in this country is still being bled dry. I can't help if you're stupid or gullible enough to think that closing the border is an actual permanent fix. The end of Trump I proved that it was meaningless.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I am serious. More than stopping these border crossings, we need to be actually undertaking mass deportations and curbing programs like H1B.

Trump slowed border crossings in his first term and literally nothing ended up fixed. His current actions are noise for idiots while everyone in this country is still being bled dry. I can't help if you're stupid or gullible enough to think that closing the border is an actual permanent fix. The end of Trump I proved that it was meaningless.
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I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you've got got some bar set so high it's untenable but to say what we're seeing now (and ongoing) regarding immigration isn't a gigantic shift from what came before makes no sense to me. We're literally (already) at the point people are complaining about the economic impacts.

www.usatoday.com

Deportations are taking a toll on California's economy - and have only just begun

ICE raids and mass deportations could cost California $275 billion in lost wages and other funds, a report finds.
www.usatoday.com
 
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ButchPlz said:
Any reset will not be catastrophic. The reset happens over time as you focus on your community. Do what you can, locally, to make people realize they don't need what the government is selling. Create jobs. Create community. Improve your churches.

Doing the equivalent of bleating at clouds and telling me I need to vote for one team is the wrong answer and at this stage it's the stupidest answer. It's worthless to yell about whatever twisted moral stand you want to take when you're not doing a single damn thing about improving the fundamental situation of people around you. That's the legacy of the boomer generation.
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How are the first two bolded items conflicting with what you term 'Maga'? When 'Maga' is attempting massive reduction in the size, influence, and consolidation of power in DC? How does 'Maga' conflict with jobs, community, churches betterment while saying you will not abuse women and deprive them of opportunity for the sake of indulging grifting con artists and the mentally ill? That you will not label parents domestic terrorists and sic the federal government on them for protecting children - how does that conflict with 'creating community'? 'Creating jobs' is centerpiece in the tariff and economic strategy; what's the conflict there and with reducing taxation on business and personal income alike?

You seem to whizzing in the wind of your own breath, and unsure why you're wet. Because I haven't heard you articulate one thing that 'Maga' stands for in contrast to your list. Your "bleating at clouds" and "twisted moral stand" comments couldn't be more vague; how about leaving the refuge and specify your complaints? Who are these other voting options and again, what is the conflict with (gasp) 'Maga'?
 
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ButchPlz said:
The problem is you seem to think the way the current political climate is set up will itself allow any reform.

Trump and the Republicans have done very little permanent, meaningful change in anything. They don't have any reason to. Nothing the federal government touches- and very few of our other institutions- are worth attempting to reform. The only thing that will fix anything is a reset. And that doesn't have to be catastrophic.
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With the caveat of the wildly successful hard-left lurch Obama and Biden took us in, you're literally a real-time witness to the most active change agent in the WH, in modern history.

Permanent requires Congress and overcoming the poison pill leftists Biden seeded in as lawfare opposition, that Schumer bragged about putting on the bench. We knew wingtip Senate Republicans would still be an albatross round the neck. Education, for example, is certainly worth reforming and doing that by destruction of the DoE; do you disagree with that reform? Then why crap on the fact that is openly the goal, because it hasn't happened yet?

This is your reset guy but he can't do it alone and can't reverse decades of bureaucratic and judicial usurpation in 6 months. If you're looking for a guarantee of success, that plane of reality doesn't exist.
 
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