That's racist!

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You answered your own question.. Tribes..

Well it isn't just tribal black people who live in Africa who still practice the same hair culture. You've got black people here in America who still practice the same hair culture and also look just like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves.









The African "tribes" have just held onto more of the legacy. But all black people even in the United States still practice some elements of the same hair culture because at the end of the day we shared the same texture and there's only so many ways to style our hair. At some point we're all gonna come to the same styles.

However, what you won't see is any modern non-black populations having any elements of Ancient Egyptian hair culture still being practiced to this day. Why? Because they don't share the same hair texture. That's why there are no non-black populations who can look like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves.

 

[C-south]

Well it isn't just tribal black people who live in Africa who still practice the same hair culture. You've got black people here in America who still practice the same hair culture and also look just like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves.

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The African "tribes" have just held onto more of the legacy. But all black people even in the United States still practice some elements of the same hair culture because at the end of the day we shared the same texture and there's only so many ways to style our hair. At some point we're all gonna come to the same styles.

However, what you won't see is any modern non-black populations having any elements of Ancient Egyptian hair culture still being practiced to this day. Why? Because they don't share the same hair texture. That's why there are no non-black populations who can look like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves.

 

[85SugarVol]

Huh? Isn't that what we're arguing? The paper that alleges Ancient Egyptians are more closely related to Middle Eastern populations than Africans? By the way this isn't their "opinion", it's a peer reviewed scientific research paper with data and analysis.

I can't believe you're now trying to claim the study you originally cited in those media articles is now just an "opinion". LOL. No the "opinion" was those media articles. This is the actual scholarly paper that did the research those articles opined on. And I gave it to you in its entirety showing you exactly where you could find the graphs showing the Ptolemaic period results.

Just take your L. It's obvious you knew nothing about the study when you originally posted those media articles citing it. Unfortunately for you I've been following this story since it originated in 2017. So the criticisms about their sampling and methodology issues were well known to me. You created this trap for yourself. Next time you want to debate a topic I would suggest doing more than reading headlines from CNN.

You’ve proven nothing. You’ve demonstrated nothing. Yes, their paper is their opinion.

You are the proverbial pigeon on the chess board.

 

[Wireless1]

So your criticism to the well understood biblical story on how the different nations on earth at the time came to be is to parse it literally? Let me guess next you're gonna question how Noah and his 3 sons could repopulate a world with no women outside of their family?

It's an allegory genius. It's not meant to be literal. It's a story meant to explain how things came to be. In particular how the different nations at that time related to one another. The biblical authors grouped the nations based on how closely they were related based on the perceptions at the time. That's why this is relevant. Not because I'm actually trying to argue that 3 brothers with no women left on earth other than their sisters and mother somehow repopulated the world through incest. But rather it's to show that despite our modern perceptions during biblical times the Ancient Egyptians were seen as being related more closest to the Nubians than any other group.

What that should tell any reasonable mind is both groups must have looked similar if they were considered to be more closely related than either was to non-African groups. This obvious allegorical biblical tale was taken by later peoples to advance their racist agendas. But just because they used the story to advance racism doesn't mean the logic of the story in how different nations were related is somehow false.

Noah’s wife and his sons’ wives were on the ark. Nothing is said about any sisters.
If you’re trying to use the Holy Bible to make your case, please cite it correctly

 

[KB5252]

Both the high priests and ruling class shaved their bodies to the skin. The obsession with hair here is a little odd considering the ruling and the religious class in positions of power shaved themselves completely in ritual purity.

I'm not saying they were or weren't black. But the record is there and we know from their contemporaries and even some of their own writing about these rituals.

 

[volfanhill]

A obvious liar. Stop engaging this DBag

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

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That's called emulating black culture. Just like many black women emulate white hair culture by putting wigs and weaves on their heads with straight hair.




Braids and locks are not ubiquitous in non-black populations despite the few examples you posted. Compare that to over 3000 years of Ancient Egyptian hair culture staying 100% black for that entire period.

 

[KB5252]

A obvious liar. Stop engaging this DBag

I don't think he's a liar. I think he's overcorrected. I agree there was a large and concerted effort to repudiate African claims to ancient Egypt. At least some of the dynasties were African. I believe their society was very multicultural. Their own drawings and pictographs and written record show as much.

I believe the very old step pyramids in Southern Egypt and Northern Sudan were completely African. Everything after that is in flux, not settled completely by science. African influence was there, abundant even. But other societal influence was as well. At least IMO.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You’ve proven nothing. You’ve demonstrated nothing. Yes, their paper is their opinion.

You are the proverbial pigeon on the chess board.

So now you're disavowing the same paper you originally brought up? LOL. I guess that's one way to respond to the criticisms of that paper. I told you it was a silly paper that was debunked by other scholars for the same reason you're now running away from it. I'm glad to see we now agree that the paper was a joke.

 

[C-south]

That's called emulating black culture. Just like many black women emulate white hair culture by putting wigs and weaves on their heads with straight hair.

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Braids and locks are not ubiquitous in non-black populations despite the few examples you posted. Compare that to over 3000 years of Ancient Egyptian hair culture staying 100% black for that entire period.

It’s called whatever someone wants to call it. Maybe it’s been blacks emulating middle eastern culture this whole time. Speaking of wigs, it’s funny you have disregarded how popular and prevalent they were in ancient Egypt. It’s sad some people feel the need to try and make up their own versions of history to somehow feel relevant.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Noah’s wife and his sons’ wives were on the ark. Nothing is said about any sisters.
If you’re trying to use the Holy Bible to make your case, please cite it correctly

My bad. I knew incest played a part in the story. Forgot that it was in the next generation when the offspring of the 3 sons would need to marry their sisters and first cousins to propagate the human race. So there's gonna be incest at some point to create the rest of humanity if we take the story literally rather than allegorically.

Nonetheless, the mechanics of this incest is irrelevant. The relevance is that the ancient scholars viewed the nations that descended from the brothers as being more related to one another based on which brother they descended from. It's why the Arabs and Jews are considered "Semitic" people because they descend from Shem. It's why the languages they speak are considered "Semitic languages". Similarly, it's why black nations were called "Hamitic" and why African languages like Somali and Oromo were considered "Hamitic languages" in the past.

My question is this. If the Ancient Egyptians didn't look like the Nubians and other Africans, why were they grouped with them as sons of Ham? Why not group the Ancient Egyptians with the sons of Shem if they were "Middle Eastern" like the Arabs and Jews? Why call black people "Hamites" and "Hamitic people" for centuries if the Ancient Egyptians who were also sons of Ham weren't black?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Both the high priests and ruling class shaved their bodies to the skin. The obsession with hair here is a little odd considering the ruling and the religious class in positions of power shaved themselves completely in ritual purity.

This is not true considering almost all mummies recovered from Egypt had hair still on their heads.










The shaved head thing is a myth. Most Ancient Egyptian royals kept their own hair. They shaved their heads from time to time like all people do. But the idea they lived most of their life with bald heads is a myth. They were meticulous in their haircare and depicted it as so.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

A obvious liar. Stop engaging this DBag

I'm the liar? I'm the only one citing primary source documents, full scholarly articles, as well as authentic Ancient Egyptian murals?

Every point I've made is supported by evidence.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It’s called whatever someone wants to call it. Maybe it’s been blacks emulating middle eastern culture this whole time. Speaking of wigs, it’s funny you have disregarded how popular and prevalent they were in ancient Egypt. It’s sad some people feel the need to try and make up their own versions of history to somehow feel relevant.

How would natural hairstyles for kinky afro hair be emulating middle eastern culture? The reason I keep talking about hair is because that's the one thing that's unique to black people. Nobody else (outside of some Melanesians) has the tightly curled hair ubiquitous to black Africans. It's the biggest difference between African and Middle Eastern populations. So why would Africans be copying Middle Easterners in styling their afro hair in ways only people with afro hair do? Yall are really arguing in circles to deny the obvious truth staring you in the face.

And FYI, even if the Ancient Egyptians wore wigs, you would have to explain why they decided to only wear wigs depicting afro hair styles? You want us to believe that for 3000 years the Ancient Egyptians wore African hair on their heads rather than their own for what reason? Black women wear Caucasian women's hair on their heads because we live in the country where the white woman is the beauty standard. So the Ancient Egyptians despite being the dominant power in the world at that time wore black people's hair on their heads rather than their own because they wanted to look like a people they were superior to? Make it make sense.

 

[KB5252]

This is not true considering almost all mummies recovered from Egypt had hair still on their heads.

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The shaved head thing is a myth. Most Ancient Egyptian royals kept their own hair. They shaved their heads from time to time like all people do. But the idea they lived most of their life with bald heads is a myth. They were meticulous in their haircare and depicted it as so.

Who are these mummies though? I've seen many confirmed pharoes with no hair.


Again, I'm not discounting African influence.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Who are these mummies though? I've seen many confirmed pharoes with no hair.


Again, I'm not discounting African influence.

Most mummies were important people of royal lineage. Average people weren't getting mummified. The last image has a caption stating it's the son of a Pharaoh.

And the one before that is this Queen: The Mummy of Queen Nodjmet: A Glimpse into Egypt's 21st Dynasty

The point of these mummies wasn't just to show they're clearly black people but that they had long hair when they were mummified destroying the myth that all the royals were constantly shaving their heads.

The Ancient Egyptians were meticulous in their hair care. As I showed earlier, there were lots of Afro picks discovered in the Pharaoh's tombs. Why would they keep Afro picks if they always shaved their heads?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Well it isn't just tribal black people who live in Africa who still practice the same hair culture. You've got black people here in America who still practice the same hair culture and also look just like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves.

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The African "tribes" have just held onto more of the legacy. But all black people even in the United States still practice some elements of the same hair culture because at the end of the day we shared the same texture and there's only so many ways to style our hair. At some point we're all gonna come to the same styles.

However, what you won't see is any modern non-black populations having any elements of Ancient Egyptian hair culture still being practiced to this day. Why? Because they don't share the same hair texture. That's why there are no non-black populations who can look like how the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves.

You're entire argument is based on black folks being tacky AF, making terrible hair style choices, and pure coincidence. This is an interesting hill to die on. You must have a lot of childhood trauma tied to Egypt.

 

[WeeohdeeWood]

 

[FLVOL_79]

Who are these mummies though? I've seen many confirmed pharoes with no hair.


Again, I'm not discounting African influence.

Its Africa so.. D4H is desperate to overstate the sub-saharan African influence. His entire identity is based on Egypt. Hats off to whoever got him going on his insane Egypt tangent. I hope you rolled the grenade then backed into the bushes..

 

[FLVOL_79]

Egyptian "We wuz Kangs" dog.

 

[tbh]

Egyptian "We wuz Kangs" dog.

That was definitely the original inspiration for the Sphinx, can't you tell? The desert winds and sand (not to mention the blast from the pyramid-shaped spacecraft landing and taking off) turned it into an amorphous blob of stone, and later inhabitants totally re-carved it to their liking. That, or that canine is trying to appropriate some "hair culture". I dunno.

 

[85SugarVol]

So now you're disavowing the same paper you originally brought up? LOL. I guess that's one way to respond to the criticisms of that paper. I told you it was a silly paper that was debunked by other scholars for the same reason you're now running away from it. I'm glad to see we now agree that the paper was a joke.

Wrong, again.

 

[volbound1700]

That's called emulating black culture. Just like many black women emulate white hair culture by putting wigs and weaves on their heads with straight hair.

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Braids and locks are not ubiquitous in non-black populations despite the few examples you posted. Compare that to over 3000 years of Ancient Egyptian hair culture staying 100% black for that entire period.

She is gorgeous.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You're entire argument is based on black folks being tacky AF, making terrible hair style choices, and pure coincidence. This is an interesting hill to die on. You must have a lot of childhood trauma tied to Egypt.

It's a matter of opinion if you think twists, braids, locks, and afros are tacky. The point of the argument about hair was to show how it connects people with same features across the ages. For 3000 years the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves as having essentially the same hair culture. And we still see that same hair culture to this day among almost all black populations. It's a way of showing identity which is the point of this debate.

 

[C-south]

It's a matter of opinion if you think twists, braids, locks, and afros are tacky. The point of the argument about hair was to show how it connects people with same features across the ages. For 3000 years the Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves as having essentially the same hair culture. And we still see that same hair culture to this day among almost all black populations. It's a way of showing identity which is the point of this debate.

I guess it didn’t follow blacks to the rest of Africa where their history definitely resides. Where were all the afros? Never mind don’t even answer.