That's racist!

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Also the whole argument over what race the ancient Egyptians were is pretty dumb imo. They were a multicultural society. They were africans that probably varied between black and brown up until Greek rule, not that it matters whatsoever.

The "multicultural" tag is usually just a cop out by someone who doesn't want to admit that arguably the greatest civilization in antiquity was black. Usually this is based on an inherent belief that black people couldn't have created such a civilization thus the black presence in Ancient Egypt must have been slaves or lower caste individuals. I'm not saying you're saying that. It's just that most of the time when people say multicultural that's what they mean. Which is why I push back against it.

The reality is this. Ancient Egypt might have been "multicultural" in the most technical of terms. It was after all a vast kingdom that ruled over parts of the Levant in addition to Northeast Africa. However, the LEADERSHIP and ORIGINS of the civilization were black African. How do we know that? Well all the images I've posted are of Pharoahs and not just random Egyptians. Usually when those who want to do the "multicultural" trope post images of non-black Ancient Egyptians it's usually of insignificant individuals. It's rarely of Pharoahs and other important figures. In addition what is never mentioned by the "multicultural" crowd is the fact that the Ancient Egyptians looked to Southern Egypt as their homeland rather than the Mediterranean. Upper Egypt was in the south close to Nubia. And it was from this southern stronghold the Pharaohs of Egypt emerged and conquered the lands to the north.

And finally, the biggest death nail to the "multicultural" argument is the fact that the only populations living today that still practice the same cultural practices as the Ancient Egyptians are black Africans living to the south. If you go to the Afar Tribe for example in Ethiopia, you will see that to this day they still style their hair the exact same way as the Ancient Egyptians. They even wear similar clothes and have many of the same rituals. These rituals are seen in many other black African tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa.

What you'll never find is these Ancient Egyptian cultural practices in modern Arab or European populations. Nowhere in the Mediterranean is Ancient Egyptian culture still preserved. But in Sub-Saharan Africa you have many elements of Ancient Egyptian culture being preserved. That alone should tell you that Ancient Egypt was at its core a black African civilization. The only "multicultural" elements were in the lands they conquered and groups they assimilated into their culture. What Ancient Egypt wasn't was a non-black civilization that had some black people in it. Which is what I believe a lot of people actually mean they say it was "multicultural".

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

“Up until Greek rule” undermines one of his favorite ahistorical tales - Cleopatra was black.

Never said she was definitely black. Just that it was possible given the fact we're don't know her mother's identity. We know her father was Greek but we don't know who her mother was. Also it was common for the Greeks to intermarry with the native Egyptians. So it's POSSIBLE she was half black.

Nonetheless, Cleopatra is totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of Ancient Egyptian history. So her ethnicity doesn't matter. I was only arguing that the Netflix documentary was possibly accurate in casting a half black actress to play Cleopatra.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I don't even understand why that would be a point of contention. The Pyramids (and Egyptian culture) were 1000s of years old by that time so I'm not sure what claiming Cleopatra does for you. Cleopatra didn't build that. (Obama voice)

They're misrepresenting my views. Like you Cleopatra is irrelevant to the story of Ancient Egypt. I was only discussing her in reference to the Netflix show.

 

[C-south]

The "multicultural" tag is usually just a cop out by someone who doesn't want to admit that arguably the greatest civilization in antiquity was black. Usually this is based on an inherent belief that black people couldn't have created such a civilization thus the black presence in Ancient Egypt must have been slaves or lower caste individuals. I'm not saying you're saying that. It's just that most of the time when people say multicultural that's what they mean. Which is why I push back against it.

The reality is this. Ancient Egypt might have been "multicultural" in the most technical of terms. It was after all a vast kingdom that ruled over parts of the Levant in addition to Northeast Africa. However, the LEADERSHIP and ORIGINS of the civilization were black African. How do we know that? Well all the images I've posted are of Pharoahs and not just random Egyptians. Usually when those who want to do the "multicultural" trope post images of non-black Ancient Egyptians it's usually of insignificant individuals. It's rarely of Pharoahs and other important figures. In addition what is never mentioned by the "multicultural" crowd is the fact that the Ancient Egyptians looked to Southern Egypt as their homeland rather than the Mediterranean. Upper Egypt was in the south close to Nubia. And it was from this southern stronghold the Pharaohs of Egypt emerged and conquered the lands to the north.

And finally, the biggest death nail to the "multicultural" argument is the fact that the only populations living today that still practice the same cultural practices as the Ancient Egyptians are black Africans living to the south. If you go to the Afar Tribe for example in Ethiopia, you will see that to this day they still style their hair the exact same way as the Ancient Egyptians. They even wear similar clothes and have many of the same rituals. These rituals are seen in many other black African tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa.

What you'll never find is these Ancient Egyptian cultural practices in modern Arab or European populations. Nowhere in the Mediterranean is Ancient Egyptian culture still preserved. But in Sub-Saharan Africa you have many elements of Ancient Egyptian culture being preserved. That alone should tell you that Ancient Egypt was at its core a black African civilization. The only "multicultural" elements were in the lands they conquered and groups they assimilated into their culture. What Ancient Egypt wasn't was a non-black civilization that had some black people in it. Which is what I believe a lot of people actually mean they say it was "multicultural".

Nobody cares about the myths you believe. It’s sad that humanity began in Africa but that’s really all it ever offered. Man left Africa and expanded, prospered, invented, explored, etc yet Africa is still a 3rd world s***hole full of failure and and misery. It’s sad and even more sad you try and hang your hat on some made up fairy tale version of history.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Nobody cares about the myths you believe. It’s sad that humanity began in Africa but that’s really all it ever offered. Man left Africa and expanded, prospered, invented, explored, etc yet Africa is still a 3rd world s***hole full of failure and and misery. It’s sad and even more sad you try and hang your hat on some made up fairy tale version of history.

Just because things are one way now doesn't mean that's how it's always been. For example, Greece just a few years ago was on the verge of financial collapse and in the context of Europe is pretty powerless as a country right now. Yet 2000 years ago it was the leading power of the world and the birthplace of so-called "Western Civilization" while the rest of Europe (by the Ancient Greeks own accounts) was filled with primitive tribes living in huts. So just because Africa is third world right now doesn't mean it always was.

With that said you state Africa has contributed nothing since the Out of Africa migration. Obviously I go could into a long history lesson that proves that statement categorically false. Instead I'll just give out one nugget: Coffee originated in Ethiopia. History of coffee - Wikipedia

So you can thank Africans for arguably the most common beverage in the world. If you want more everyday things Africa contributed to the world let me know cause I'm a reservoir of African historical knowledge.

 

[KB5252]

The "multicultural" tag is usually just a cop out by someone who doesn't want to admit that arguably the greatest civilization in antiquity was black. Usually this is based on an inherent belief that black people couldn't have created such a civilization thus the black presence in Ancient Egypt must have been slaves or lower caste individuals. I'm not saying you're saying that. It's just that most of the time when people say multicultural that's what they mean. Which is why I push back against it.

The reality is this. Ancient Egypt might have been "multicultural" in the most technical of terms. It was after all a vast kingdom that ruled over parts of the Levant in addition to Northeast Africa. However, the LEADERSHIP and ORIGINS of the civilization were black African. How do we know that? Well all the images I've posted are of Pharoahs and not just random Egyptians. Usually when those who want to do the "multicultural" trope post images of non-black Ancient Egyptians it's usually of insignificant individuals. It's rarely of Pharoahs and other important figures. In addition what is never mentioned by the "multicultural" crowd is the fact that the Ancient Egyptians looked to Southern Egypt as their homeland rather than the Mediterranean. Upper Egypt was in the south close to Nubia. And it was from this southern stronghold the Pharaohs of Egypt emerged and conquered the lands to the north.

And finally, the biggest death nail to the "multicultural" argument is the fact that the only populations living today that still practice the same cultural practices as the Ancient Egyptians are black Africans living to the south. If you go to the Afar Tribe for example in Ethiopia, you will see that to this day they still style their hair the exact same way as the Ancient Egyptians. They even wear similar clothes and have many of the same rituals. These rituals are seen in many other black African tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa.

What you'll never find is these Ancient Egyptian cultural practices in modern Arab or European populations. Nowhere in the Mediterranean is Ancient Egyptian culture still preserved. But in Sub-Saharan Africa you have many elements of Ancient Egyptian culture being preserved. That alone should tell you that Ancient Egypt was at its core a black African civilization. The only "multicultural" elements were in the lands they conquered and groups they assimilated into their culture. What Ancient Egypt wasn't was a non-black civilization that had some black people in it. Which is what I believe a lot of people actually mean they say it was "multicultural".

It's also completely ignoring the fact that much of their greatness came from multicultural knowledge and information concentrated by their foresight and intellectual proclivity for great ideas.

Credit them for centralizing this information. But let's not pretend that they invented it all. Like many great societies of their time they took great ideas from others an adopted them. They created plenty, but they adopted and incorporated just as much.

What made them great is what made the Muslim world great in their heyday, the Romans great, the Asian empires etc.

I won't take anything from them

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It's also completely ignoring the fact that much of their greatness came from multicultural knowledge and information concentrated by their foresight and intellectual proclivity for great ideas.

Credit them for centralizing this information. But let's not pretend that they invented it all. Like many great societies of their time they took great ideas from others an adopted them. They created plenty, but they adopted and incorporated just as much.

What made them great is what made the Muslim world great in their heyday, the Romans great, the Asian empires etc.

I won't take anything from them

The problem is the historical record doesn't support this presumption. And what I mean is the idea Ancient Egypt got some of its innovative thought from other non-black cultures along the Mediterranean. We have no evidence of any of the central ideas that made Ancient Egypt flourish coming from outside of Africa. However, what we do have records of is Ancient Egypt drawing much of its culture and innovation from the south into inner Africa. I'll provide one example to his highlight this point.

Now most people know the Ancient Egyptian writing system was hieroglyphics. What most people don't know is hieroglyphics were also used in Ancient Nubia. In fact according to Ancient Greek historian Diodorus Siculus, Ancient Egypt was nothing more than a colony of Ancient Nubia (aka Ethiopia) and that the hieroglyphic writing system we attribute to Ancient Egypt was actually of Nubian origin. Here's the source:

LacusCurtius • Diodorus Siculus — Book III Chapters 1‑14

Part of an English translation of Diodorus. Books 1‑32 are complete on this site, which contains many classical texts and related material.

penelope.uchicago.edu

They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony. For, speaking generally, what is now Egypt, they maintain, was not land but sea when in the beginning the universe was being formed; afterwards, however, as the Nile during the times of its inundation carried down the mud from Ethiopia, land was gradually built up from the deposit. Also the statement that all the land of the Egyptians is alluvial silt deposited by the river receives the clearest proof, in their opinion, from what takes place at the outlets of the Nile; for as each year new mud is continually gathered together at the mouths of the river, the sea is observed being thrust back by the deposited silt and the land receiving the increase. And the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners.

For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay to their burials, and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian; for of the two kinds of writing which the Egyptians have, that which is known as "popular" (demotic) is learned by everyone, while that which is called "sacred" is understood only by the priests of the Egyptians, who learn it from their fathers as one of the things which are not divulged, but among the Ethiopians everyone uses these forms of letters.

So in Ancient Egypt hieroglyphics were called the Medu Neter (Holy Script/Divine Words). It was only know and understood by the priests. But in Nubia (where the script originated according to the Ancient Greeks) it was understood by everyone. And for the record, we have no evidence of hieroglyphics being used outside of Egypt and Nubia. Thus showing that the Ancient Egyptian script had no innovative contributions from outside of Africa.

This is why I say the historical record doesn't support the idea that Ancient Egypt was a multicultural society. It's origins and culture were 100% indigenous to the African continent and nowhere else. The only influence Ancient Egypt got was from Nubia and inner Africa not the Mediterranean.

 

[WeeohdeeWood]

The problem is the historical record doesn't support this presumption. And what I mean is the idea Ancient Egypt got some of its innovative thought from other non-black cultures along the Mediterranean. We have no evidence of any of the central ideas that made Ancient Egypt flourish coming from outside of Africa. However, what we do have records of is Ancient Egypt drawing much of its culture and innovation from the south into inner Africa. I'll provide one example to his highlight this point.

Now most people know the Ancient Egyptian writing system was hieroglyphics. What most people don't know is hieroglyphics were also used in Ancient Nubia. In fact according to Ancient Greek historian Diodorus Siculus, Ancient Egypt was nothing more than a colony of Ancient Nubia (aka Ethiopia) and that the hieroglyphic writing system we attribute to Ancient Egypt was actually of Nubian origin. Here's the source:

LacusCurtius • Diodorus Siculus — Book III Chapters 1‑14

Part of an English translation of Diodorus. Books 1‑32 are complete on this site, which contains many classical texts and related material.

penelope.uchicago.edu

So in Ancient Egypt hieroglyphics were called the Medu Neter (Holy Script/Divine Words). It was only know and understood by the priests. But in Nubia (where the script originated according to the Ancient Greeks) it was understood by everyone. And for the record, we have no evidence of hieroglyphics being used outside of Egypt and Nubia. Thus showing that the Ancient Egyptian script had no innovative contributions from outside of Africa.

This is why I say the historical record doesn't support the idea that Ancient Egypt was a multicultural society. It's origins and culture were 100% indigenous to the African continent and nowhere else. The only influence Ancient Egypt got was from Nubia and inner Africa not the Mediterranean.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

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Primary source historical records offend you?

I simply cited an Ancient Greek source supporting my claims in refuting the argument that Ancient Egypt was a multicultural society. Blame the Ancient Greeks for saying what they said not me. They're the ones that said Ancient Egypt was a colony of Ethiopia not me.

 

[85SugarVol]

Just because things are one way now doesn't mean that's how it's always been. For example, Greece just a few years ago was on the verge of financial collapse and in the context of Europe is pretty powerless as a country right now. Yet 2000 years ago it was the leading power of the world and the birthplace of so-called "Western Civilization" while the rest of Europe (by the Ancient Greeks own accounts) was filled with primitive tribes living in huts. So just because Africa is third world right now doesn't mean it always was.

With that said you state Africa has contributed nothing since the Out of Africa migration. Obviously I go could into a long history lesson that proves that statement categorically false. Instead I'll just give out one nugget: Coffee originated in Ethiopia. History of coffee - Wikipedia

So you can thank Africans for arguably the most common beverage in the world. If you want more everyday things Africa contributed to the world let me know cause I'm a reservoir of African historical knowledge.

So called “Western Civilization”

Lolz

 

[C-south]

So called “Western Civilization”

Lolz

Look at everything Africa brought the civilized world. AIDS, Ebola,….

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Look at everything Africa brought the civilized world. AIDS, Ebola,….

You mean the covid-19 of the 80s? The great hoax that was supposed to devastate Africa's population. Whatever happened to that AIDS epidemic that was gonna kill so many in Africa? In the last few decades Africa's population has exploded and will nearly double by 2050.

Just as COVID was a silly hoax meant to control so was the so-called AIDS epidemic. Neither was what we were led to believe.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So called “Western Civilization”

Lolz

Go read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Athena-Afroasiatic-Civilization-Fabrication/dp/0813512778

White author Martin Bernal lays out a strong argument showing that so-called "Western Civilization" was nothing more than Ancient Egyptian and Nubian Civilization repackaged in Europe by the Ancient Greeks. The Greeks themselves admitted as much saying that everything they knew they learned from the black Africans to their south.

That's why I said so-called "Western Civilization" because it's really just African Civilization according to what the Ancient Greeks said.

 

[Wireless1]

Go read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Athena-Afroasiatic-Civilization-Fabrication/dp/0813512778

White author Martin Bernal lays out a strong argument showing that so-called "Western Civilization" was nothing more than Ancient Egyptian and Nubian Civilization repackaged in Europe by the Ancient Greeks. The Greeks themselves admitted as much saying that everything they knew they learned from the black Africans to their south.

That's why I said so-called "Western Civilization" because it's really just African Civilization according to what the Ancient Greeks said.

Unfortunately that would point to civilization becoming warlords, dictators, and civil wars

 

[FLVOL_79]

The "multicultural" tag is usually just a cop out by someone who doesn't want to admit that arguably the greatest civilization in antiquity was black. Usually this is based on an inherent belief that black people couldn't have created such a civilization thus the black presence in Ancient Egypt must have been slaves or lower caste individuals. I'm not saying you're saying that. It's just that most of the time when people say multicultural that's what they mean. Which is why I push back against it.

The reality is this. Ancient Egypt might have been "multicultural" in the most technical of terms. It was after all a vast kingdom that ruled over parts of the Levant in addition to Northeast Africa. However, the LEADERSHIP and ORIGINS of the civilization were black African. How do we know that? Well all the images I've posted are of Pharoahs and not just random Egyptians. Usually when those who want to do the "multicultural" trope post images of non-black Ancient Egyptians it's usually of insignificant individuals. It's rarely of Pharoahs and other important figures. In addition what is never mentioned by the "multicultural" crowd is the fact that the Ancient Egyptians looked to Southern Egypt as their homeland rather than the Mediterranean. Upper Egypt was in the south close to Nubia. And it was from this southern stronghold the Pharaohs of Egypt emerged and conquered the lands to the north.

And finally, the biggest death nail to the "multicultural" argument is the fact that the only populations living today that still practice the same cultural practices as the Ancient Egyptians are black Africans living to the south. If you go to the Afar Tribe for example in Ethiopia, you will see that to this day they still style their hair the exact same way as the Ancient Egyptians. They even wear similar clothes and have many of the same rituals. These rituals are seen in many other black African tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa.

What you'll never find is these Ancient Egyptian cultural practices in modern Arab or European populations. Nowhere in the Mediterranean is Ancient Egyptian culture still preserved. But in Sub-Saharan Africa you have many elements of Ancient Egyptian culture being preserved. That alone should tell you that Ancient Egypt was at its core a black African civilization. The only "multicultural" elements were in the lands they conquered and groups they assimilated into their culture. What Ancient Egypt wasn't was a non-black civilization that had some black people in it. Which is what I believe a lot of people actually mean they say it was "multicultural".

And there is the crazy D4H we all know. Took a while to circle back to this point of lunacy.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And there is the crazy D4H we all know. Took a while to circle back to this point of lunacy.

I can post a lot of cultural continuity between Ancient Egypt and tribes living in modern day Sub-Saharan Africa. What you won't find however is any groups outside of Africa still practicing the cultural traditions of Ancient Egypt. Here's one example of many where you have Africans still doing what the Ancient Egyptians did but no Arabs or Europeans doing the same:








There are no groups outside of Africa with the same hairstyles as those practiced in Ancient Egypt. This is why I say the idea Ancient Egypt was multicultural is false. The only culture the Ancient Egyptians practiced was an African culture which is why the only place you still see the same culture that thrived in Ancient Egypt still thriving is in "Sub-Saharan Africa".

If the Ancient Egyptians were multicultural, why do no other races still practice the same cultural traditions as the Ancient Egyptians?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Unfortunately that would point to civilization becoming warlords, dictators, and civil wars

Just because Africa is in turmoil in the present doesn't mean that was always the case. Look no further the Islamic world. It's in turmoil right now being owned by Israel but just a millenia ago the Muslims controlled most of the known world from the borders of China to Spain and Portugal.

You can be on top of the world one moment and getting owned the next. That's just the way of life. If we're not careful the American Empire will be a thing of past like Greece, Rome, and the Muslims.

 

[85SugarVol]

Go read this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Athena-Afroasiatic-Civilization-Fabrication/dp/0813512778

White author Martin Bernal lays out a strong argument showing that so-called "Western Civilization" was nothing more than Ancient Egyptian and Nubian Civilization repackaged in Europe by the Ancient Greeks. The Greeks themselves admitted as much saying that everything they knew they learned from the black Africans to their south.

That's why I said so-called "Western Civilization" because it's really just African Civilization according to what the Ancient Greeks said.

Oh for sure, will do. I’ll let you know when I’m done and we can discuss it.

 

[85SugarVol]

I can post a lot of cultural continuity between Ancient Egypt and tribes living in modern day Sub-Saharan Africa. What you won't find however is any groups outside of Africa still practicing the cultural traditions of Ancient Egypt. Here's one example of many where you have Africans still doing what the Ancient Egyptians did but no Arabs or Europeans doing the same:

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There are no groups outside of Africa with the same hairstyles as those practiced in Ancient Egypt. This is why I say the idea Ancient Egypt was multicultural is false. The only culture the Ancient Egyptians practiced was an African culture which is why the only place you still see the same culture that thrived in Ancient Egypt still thriving is in "Sub-Saharan Africa".

If the Ancient Egyptians were multicultural, why do no other races still practice the same cultural traditions as the Ancient Egyptians?

So your argument for black superiority is that present Africans look and live like ancient Africans.

That is fantastic.

 

[FLVOL_79]

So your argument for black superiority is that present Africans look and live like ancient Africans.

That is fantastic.

This is the Ja'Infowarz rabbit hole he has been avoiding since reappearing after a long hiatus. Meds must have worn off.

 

[volbound1700]

Never said she was definitely black. Just that it was possible given the fact we're don't know her mother's identity. We know her father was Greek but we don't know who her mother was. Also it was common for the Greeks to intermarry with the native Egyptians. So it's POSSIBLE she was half black.

Nonetheless, Cleopatra is totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of Ancient Egyptian history. So her ethnicity doesn't matter. I was only arguing that the Netflix documentary was possibly accurate in casting a half black actress to play Cleopatra.

I have stated this many times but they should have done it on this lady:

Amanirenas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

She fits everything they wanted in the messaging and unlike Cleopatra, she won.

I really think a lot of woke stuff does the opposite with black culture. All their movies show blacks as slaves or "inferior" to whites. Why do Cleopatra (a Macedonian) when you have plenty of black women rulers you could have done it on.

 

[85SugarVol]

Just for lolz…

AI Overview

Ancient Egyptian DNA testing has revealed that ancient Egyptians were most closely related to populations from the Middle East, particularly the Levant, rather than sub-Saharan Africans. This discovery, based on analysis of mummy DNA,challenges long-held assumptions about the origins and genetic makeup of ancient Egyptians.

Here's a more detailed look at the findings:

• • Contamination and Nuclear DNA:
    While researchers could obtain mitochondrial DNA (passed down from mothers) from 90 mummies, they were only able to get detailed nuclear DNA (inherited from both parents) from three mummies due to contamination.
    
  • Levantine Affinity:
    The DNA analysis showed that ancient Egyptians shared more genetic similarities with people from the Neolithic and Bronze Ages in the Levant (modern-day Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and Iraq) than with modern sub-Saharan Africans.
    
  • Sub-Saharan African Admixture:
    The study also indicated a potential influx of sub-Saharan African DNA into Egypt roughly 700 years ago, which explains why modern Egyptians have a greater percentage of sub-Saharan African ancestry than the mummies from Abusir el-Meleq.
    
  • Re-evaluating History:
    The findings have prompted a re-evaluation of Egypt's history and have opened new avenues for research into the genetic history of the region.
    
  • Near Eastern Connections:
    The study also suggests a long history of genetic interaction and connection between Egypt and the Near East, possibly dating back to Prehistoric Egypt.
    

In essence, DNA analysis of ancient Egyptian mummies has provided a more precise picture of their genetic ancestry, revealing close ties to the Near East and a later admixture with sub-Saharan African populations that explains the genetic makeup of modern Egyptians.

 

[85SugarVol]

But what about the pictures!….

 

[Majors]

Look at everything Africa brought the civilized world. AIDS, Ebola,….

#1 hit for the band Toto.