That's racist!

[C-south]

Why have courts when we have you to misinterpret legal standards

I know legal standards I carry all the time. I still can’t legally carry a weapon just anywhere. I can’t go out of my way to confront someone and shoot them when they walk towards me. Imagine going to Athens and rolling up on someone else’s tailgate. They ask you to leave, you refuse and start talking s***. When they walk towards you you pull out a gun and shoot them and immediately yell “I was defending myself”. The dude should fry but he’ll at least rot in prison.

 

[Majors]

Actually you do. This is why its important to know the law before speaking on legal matters.

I can pick a fight with you. But if I fear for my life because you and your twin brother might kill me then I can use deadly force to defend myself. The key is proportionality. You can't use force that is disproportionate. Who started the altercation doesn't affect a self-defense case. What affects a self-defense argument is you have to legitimately fear for your life and you must use proportionate force.

The knife is definitely disproportionate unless Karmelo can prove it was two on one and he feared that the two brothers would kill him.

You don’t get to pick a fight. So there’s your problem.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Yea. “Let me go pick a fight with these guys, refuse to remove myself from situation when given the chance, then kill the F***** with a weapon I should have here when they retaliate”.

Obviously picking a fight lowers your self defense argument. My point is it doesn't legally close it. You can pick a fight with a guy. He can pull a knife. Then you would be justified in pulling a gun and shooting him. That would be a situation where you started the fight but you can claim self-defense because the other guy escalated the situation by pulling a knife.

Now this isn't what happened with Karmelo Anthony. We'll see what the facts of the case are and if his self-defense claim is legitimate. You're free to be skeptical of it. I'm skeptical myself but I'm not ready to say he has no claim to self-defense cause I don't know all the facts.

 

[KB5252]

To show Karmelo's self-defense case is plausible against a more physically dominant adversary while there is no argument for the woman who racially abused a kid.

I'm not even discussing the woman, let's remove her from the discussion about the Metcalf (homicide/murder) because I also believe they shouldn't be compared or discussed together.

I'm strictly taking about discussing the victim and accused. Both were football players. I don't understand referencing one as a football player while ignoring the others participation in the same sport.

If it's simply the size difference in the two, that should be addressed head on. I'm not saying you are doing this necessarily but I've seen others do it. They are attributing the victim playing football to being aggressive while portraying the other as a shrinking violet. Both played the same sport and both appear to have acted aggressively in this instance.

 

[C-south]

Obviously picking a fight lowers your self defense argument. My point is it doesn't legally close it. You can pick a fight with a guy. He can pull a knife. Then you would be justified in pulling a gun and shooting him. That would be a situation where you started the fight but you can claim self-defense because the other guy escalated the situation by pulling a knife.

Now this isn't what happened with Karmelo Anthony. We'll see what the facts of the case are and if his self-defense claim is legitimate. You're free to be skeptical of it. I'm skeptical myself but I'm not ready to say he has no claim to self-defense cause I don't know all the facts.

We know enough facts and now know who the real racists are. I’m sure instigating the altercation will be taken into account as well as carrying a weapon where weapons are forbidden. Luckily he will have enough time to reflect on whether “keeping it real” was worth it.

 

[KB5252]

I've heard random podcasts say there was a fight. Could be false. Once again this is why you wait until trial. Who knows exactly what happened. The police report included no details. And in the report Anthony doesn't shy away from the incident. He says boldly he was defending himself and that Metcalf put hands on him. Now if all Metcalf did was try to move him and he stabbed him then that's not self-defense. But if Metcalf was about to inflict deadly damage then Karmelo might be justified in using deadly force. I don't know how likely that is but it's plausible. That's why I've maintained I'm reserving judgment until all the facts come out.

Fair enough

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I agree here, and to your last sentence...... the other piece of this case, if true, that will give him problems with self defense is being asked to leave the tent, and then telling the victim, "touch me and see what happens"...... Again, if true and without other evidence that supports his case.

I've said from the beginning. Based on what I know of the case, if this has been a simple argument turned fist fight and the victim had been punched and died or fell and hit his head it would be cut and dried mutual combat or self defense.

He certainly has some obstacles to overcome. But based on what I've seen from witnesses and police reports he's got some problems.

I agree. Right now his self-defense argument would fail. But if other facts were to come out it's plausible. For example if it was two on one. That would help. If the Metcalf twins were much bigger than him. That also helps. If there was any history between them showing a pattern of violence that would help.

I'm just throwing stuff out there. But if facts like this do eventually come out then his self-defense argument becomes plausible. Right now he looks guilty. But he adamant from the jump that he acted in self-defense. So it's innocent until proven guilty in this country. If it was self-defense then let him prove it.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Both played the same sport and both appear to have acted aggressively in this instance.

DBs and linebackers both play football but ain't the same size. Karmelo is pretty small. Police report said he weighs 130 lbs. If Austin Metcalf is way bigger than him that helps his self-defense argument.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We know enough facts

That's not how our legal system works. We don't put people away based on the scant details in a police report. We go through trials for that. Maybe you don't respect our laws but I do. And a hallmark of American law is that you're innocent until proven guilty.

 

[C-south]

That's not how our legal system works. We don't put people away based on the scant details in a police report. We go through trials for that. Maybe you don't respect our laws but I do. And a hallmark of American law is that you're innocent until proven guilty.

Ok jussie. Watch out for garage door handles.

 

[hndog609]

Actually you do. This is why its important to know the law before speaking on legal matters.

I can pick a fight with you. But if I fear for my life because you and your twin brother might kill me then I can use deadly force to defend myself. The key is proportionality. You can't use force that is disproportionate. Who started the altercation doesn't affect a self-defense case. What affects a self-defense argument is you have to legitimately fear for your life and you must use proportionate force.

The knife is definitely disproportionate unless Karmelo can prove it was two on one and he feared that the two brothers would kill him.

The boldened is a simplification to a degree it can't really stand on it's own merit. It is not entirely inaccurate to say degrees of instigation don't simply negate any possibility of claiming SD regardless of context but depending on circumstances it absolutely cannot be dismissed as not being held against you.

https://www.srg-law.com/blog/2025/02/when-can-people-fight-assault-charges-with-self-defense-claims/

Case by case is going to matter (there's lots of moving parts in such instances) but no...just stating "Who started the altercation doesn't affect a self-defense case" by itself is not an accurate assertion.

 

[KB5252]

DBs and linebackers both play football but ain't the same size. Karmelo is pretty small. Police report said he weighs 130 lbs. If Austin Metcalf is way bigger than him that helps his self-defense argument.

Based on their huddle accounts listed @160 and 225.......... neither is likely accurate.

 

[NashVol11]

That's not how our legal system works. We don't put people away based on the scant details in a police report. We go through trials for that. Maybe you don't respect our laws but I do. And a hallmark of American law is that you're innocent until proven guilty.

Due process not too popular on the right these days

 

[C-south]

Due process not too popular on the right these days

Lol. He’ll get his day in court for sure and nobody has said he shouldn’t. That said every logical, sane, non race baiting person knows he gone.

 

[Carl Pickens]

How much money has been donated to the guy that killed the cop by running him over after his son was shot?

 

[NashVol11]

No way they brought this woman back lmao

 

[Majors]

Due process not too popular on the right these days

You big mad the right is playing the lefts games they got away with.

 

[tbh]

Cause football players are typically very big strong guys who can inflict physical violence on others. Totally different than a 5 year old kid who is potentially autistic.

On the other hand, some football players are terrified of small college-age women.

 

[Wireless1]

One thing I've noticed as an able bodied black man is that you guys don't say that word to us. You usually pick out the weak when it comes to hurling racial slurs. Like women and children. I'm 37 years old and have never had a white guy call me that word to my face. And I know this is true for a lot of us who can defend ourselves. But yet my 70 year old mother has been called the N word on multiple occasions in recent years by white men (not even women). And obviously children like this 5 year old have to deal with it.

So keep being brave towards women and children. I know one demographic you won't be so brave with and that is able bodied black men.

So you’re saying this woman could have dropped the n word on you then shoot you because she’s afraid you could beat her to death?

 

[Majors]

I understand we live in a world where it's survival of the fittest so I don't expect white folk to repay us for them getting the jump on us. It's on us to get up off the floor and get ours. I'm from the Nation of Islam school of thinking where I'm all about self-reliance. I'm not on this victim Olympics tip.

Tell me more about your school of thinking choice.

 

[whodeycin85]

One thing I've noticed as an able bodied black man is that you guys don't say that word to us. You usually pick out the weak when it comes to hurling racial slurs. Like women and children. I'm 37 years old and have never had a white guy call me that word to my face. And I know this is true for a lot of us who can defend ourselves. But yet my 70 year old mother has been called the N word on multiple occasions in recent years by white men (not even women). And obviously children like this 5 year old have to deal with it.

So keep being brave towards women and children. I know one demographic you won't be so brave with and that is able bodied black men.

Given my time as a prison guard and my days in jail as a younger man...I can assure you my use of the word was met with violence. As I would expect given that is a possibility of using the n-word..that's fine I'm responsible for my language and behavior. And I have to accept the consequences of both. Now I ask you as a black man....tell me how the n word is any differences. Being called as ahole, mfers or c***sucker...its a word used to elicite a response..it only effect you if you allow it..if your being honest in how to present yourself here I can see no reason for that word or any insults to enter the conversation.

 

[allstar34]

How many millions of times had a knife enter a school without being used? Seems like an irrelevant point

Maybe he didn't know it was a knife free zone and wouldn't have brought it if he did....

This has to be one of my top 10 all time Volnation posts I've read.

What if the drunk didn't know the lady he hit was walking across the road to get the child's baseball. This wasn't a baseball field.
What if the man didn't know his wife couldn't take a beating? She goes to the gym.

LMAO

 

[C-south]

This has to be one of my top 10 all time Volnation posts I've read.

What if the drunk didn't know the lady he hit was walking across the road to get the child's baseball. This wasn't a baseball field.
What if the man didn't know his wife couldn't take a beating? She goes to the gym.

LMAO

He has a very selective view on things and lots of times all you have to do is mix up the wording to throw him off but you can rest assured he’s going to be b***hing about it. In one thread laws are absolute and must be abide by. The next laws are just money grabs. Here possible ignorance of the law means it’s ok.

 

[EasternVol]

There it is. Race baiting.

If you provoke the situation, you don’t get to claim self-defense. Which we know he did. But you do you and see color as you keep referring to them by race.

That’s not race baiting. Those jumping to and pushing conclusions which favor their chosen side are race baiting.

 

[utvolpj]

This has to be one of my top 10 all time Volnation posts I've read.

What if the drunk didn't know the lady he hit was walking across the road to get the child's baseball. This wasn't a baseball field.
What if the man didn't know his wife couldn't take a beating? She goes to the gym.

LMAO

It was simply a joke using the same language as gun free zones. Appears you need to replace some batteries. If not you'll likely be lumped into the same group of dumb as the other guy who didn't get it.