That's racist!

[whodeycin85]

Thinking it is bad to call a child a racial slur doesn't mean I'm "scared," but I am not surprised that you apparently disagree that it is bad to call a child a racial slur

I'll call anyone anything I want and have..

 

[C-south]

It's just another attempt to minimize and excuse what she did

Damn dude what would you have done about it? Call her a racist and move on.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I'll call anyone anything I want and have..

Lol. Okay.

 

[KB5252]

I'll call anyone anything I want and have..

Just because you can means little. Hell anyone can. But would you?




I'm going to tell you a story. I used that word in anger once, in an argument with someone in middle school. In a situation that was leading up to a flight we both knew was coming. I used that word as a weapon and immediately guilt washed over me. I hated myself for saying it in that instant. Not really sure what came over me, had to have been my rage and intentions to harm that person.

Immediately I told the guy I couldn't fight him, and if he wanted to beat my ass I wouldn't stop him. I've only felt shame like that a few times in life. It was tense but we actually talked that out, long story short we ended up being friends. Still keep up with him today.

Words shouldn't scare us, but we shouldn't weaponized words either. That's what she did, just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You struggle at gaslighting. There is no excusing her behavior, which has been established. One of us has condemned both while the other is making excuses using terms like “may have”.

Why would I condemn a situation where I don't know all the facts? A kid stabbed another kid. Awful situation but if he's claiming self-defense, why would I condemn him if I wasn't there? You might be willing to condemn black people for crimes without knowing all the facts but I'll reserve judgment until the trial when we find out what really happened. If he really stabbed the white kid without a legitimate self-defense argument then I'll condemn him but as of now I don't have all the facts so I'll reserve judgment.

 

[Majors]

It's just another attempt to minimize and excuse what she did

Show me where I excused what she did? You can’t, but nice attempt. If anything you’ll see the opposite. I asked a question that wasn’t answered but rather answered with a question.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Why do you keep repeating the victim was a football player? I find that very odd...... Especially considering both played football.

Cause football players are typically very big strong guys who can inflict physical violence on others. Totally different than a 5 year old kid who is potentially autistic.

 

[Majors]

Why would I condemn a situation where I don't know all the facts? A kid stabbed another kid. Awful situation but if he's claiming self-defense, why would I condemn him if I wasn't there? You might be willing to condemn black people for crimes without knowing all the facts but I'll reserve judgment until the trial when we find out what really happened. If he really stabbed the white kid without a legitimate self-defense argument then I'll condemn him but as of now I don't have all the facts so I'll reserve judgment.

There it is. Race baiting.

If you provoke the situation, you don’t get to claim self-defense. Which we know he did. But you do you and see color as you keep referring to them by race.

 

[C-south]

Why would I condemn a situation where I don't know all the facts? A kid stabbed another kid. Awful situation but if he's claiming self-defense, why would I condemn him if I wasn't there? You might be willing to condemn black people for crimes without knowing all the facts but I'll reserve judgment until the trial when we find out what really happened. If he really stabbed the white kid without a legitimate self-defense argument then I'll condemn him but as of now I don't have all the facts so I'll reserve judgment.

There are enough facts to know this wasn’t remotely self defense. Good job race baiter.

 

[KB5252]

Cause football players are typically very big strong guys who can inflict physical violence on others. Totally different than a 5 year old kid who is potentially autistic.

I'm talking about when referencing him and Karmelo.

 

[Majors]

Cause football players are typically very big strong guys who can inflict physical violence on others. Totally different than a 5 year old kid who is potentially autistic.

Might want to change the narrative.

https://www.maxpreps.com/tx/frisco/centennial-titans/athletes/karmelo-anthony/?careerid=ofnsko1irvro8

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Based on the facts as have been reported by police and witnesses do you find his claims of self defense plausible?

Facts of a case don't come from police reports but from a trial where witnesses are cross examined. All I've read is there was a fight between Anthony and the twins and he stabbed one of them. That's not enough details to know if this was self-defense or murder.

This is why we have trials. So the facts of the case can be flushed out and examined.

 

[KB5252]

Facts of a case don't come from police reports but from a trial where witnesses are cross examined. All I've read is there was a fight between Anthony and the twins and he stabbed one of them. That's not enough details to know if this was self-defense or murder.

This is why we have trials. So the facts of the case can be flushed out and examined.

Where have you read about a fight between Karmelo and the twins? I haven't seen that. That's why I'm asking because what I've read from CNN and Fox are pretty consistent, that there was a verbal argument between victim and accused. I haven't read articles outside of those sources though. I have an open mind, but can only frame my opinion based on what I've read.

 

[C-south]

Facts of a case don't come from police reports but from a trial where witnesses are cross examined. All I've read is there was a fight between Anthony and the twins and he stabbed one of them. That's not enough details to know if this was self-defense or murder.

This is why we have trials. So the facts of the case can be flushed out and examined.

Lol. If that’s all you’ve read you are simply a f****** liar. One for the “good guys” amirite? If only more “people” could go to events armed (when weapons are forbidden), go instigate an argument, refuse to leave the area, then kill someone when confronted. Just cut and dry self defense.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I'll call anyone anything I want and have..

One thing I've noticed as an able bodied black man is that you guys don't say that word to us. You usually pick out the weak when it comes to hurling racial slurs. Like women and children. I'm 37 years old and have never had a white guy call me that word to my face. And I know this is true for a lot of us who can defend ourselves. But yet my 70 year old mother has been called the N word on multiple occasions in recent years by white men (not even women). And obviously children like this 5 year old have to deal with it.

So keep being brave towards women and children. I know one demographic you won't be so brave with and that is able bodied black men.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If you provoke the situation, you don’t get to claim self-defense.

Actually you do. This is why its important to know the law before speaking on legal matters.

I can pick a fight with you. But if I fear for my life because you and your twin brother might kill me then I can use deadly force to defend myself. The key is proportionality. You can't use force that is disproportionate. Who started the altercation doesn't affect a self-defense case. What affects a self-defense argument is you have to legitimately fear for your life and you must use proportionate force.

The knife is definitely disproportionate unless Karmelo can prove it was two on one and he feared that the two brothers would kill him.

 

[Majors]

I understand we live in a world where it's survival of the fittest so I don't expect white folk to repay us for them getting the jump on us. It's on us to get up off the floor and get ours. I'm from the Nation of Islam school of thinking where I'm all about self-reliance. I'm not on this victim Olympics tip.

Gives background.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I'm talking about when referencing him and Karmelo.

To show Karmelo's self-defense case is plausible against a more physically dominant adversary while there is no argument for the woman who racially abused a kid.

 

[C-south]

Actually you do. This is why its important to know the law before speaking on legal matters.

I can pick a fight with you. But if I fear for my life because you and your twin brother might kill me then I can use deadly force to defend myself. The key is proportionality. You can't use force that is disproportionate. Who started the altercation doesn't affect a self-defense case. What affects a self-defense argument is you have to legitimately fear for your life and you must use proportionate force.

The knife is definitely disproportionate unless Karmelo can prove it was two on one and he feared that the two brothers would kill him.

Yea. “Let me go pick a fight with these guys, refuse to remove myself from situation when given the chance, then kill the F***** with a weapon I should have here when they retaliate”.

 

[Majors]

To show Karmelo's self-defense case is plausible against a more physically dominant adversary while there is no argument for the woman who racially abused a kid.

A lot of assumption for two football players.
You’re portraying the WR/DB as weak and feeble in your stance.

 

[Majors]

Yea. “Let me go pick a fight with these guys, refuse to remove myself from situation when given the chance, then kill the F***** with a weapon I should have here when they retaliate”.

“Touch me and see what happens” - per accounts of what Anthony said

 

[NashVol11]

Yea. “Let me go pick a fight with these guys, refuse to remove myself from situation when given the chance, then kill the F***** with a weapon I should have here when they retaliate”.

Why have courts when we have you to misinterpret legal standards

 

[C-south]

“Touch me and see what happens” - per accounts of what Anthony said

Clearly self defense.

 

[KB5252]

Actually you do. This is why its important to know the law before speaking on legal matters.

I can pick a fight with you. But if I fear for my life because you and your twin brother might kill me then I can use deadly force to defend myself. The key is proportionality. You can't use force that is disproportionate. Who started the altercation doesn't affect a self-defense case. What affects a self-defense argument is you have to legitimately fear for your life and you must use proportionate force.

The knife is definitely disproportionate unless Karmelo can prove it was two on one and he feared that the two brothers would kill him.

I agree here, and to your last sentence...... the other piece of this case, if true, that will give him problems with self defense is being asked to leave the tent, and then telling the victim, "touch me and see what happens"...... Again, if true and without other evidence that supports his case.

I've said from the beginning. Based on what I know of the case, if this has been a simple argument turned fist fight and the victim had been punched and died or fell and hit his head it would be cut and dried mutual combat or self defense.

He certainly has some obstacles to overcome. But based on what I've seen from witnesses and police reports he's got some problems.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Where have you read about a fight between Karmelo and the twins? I haven't seen that. That's why I'm asking because what I've read from CNN and Fox are pretty consistent, that there was a verbal argument between victim and accused. I haven't read articles outside of those sources though. I have an open mind, but can only frame my opinion based on what I've read.

I've heard random podcasts say there was a fight. Could be false. Once again this is why you wait until trial. Who knows exactly what happened. The police report included no details. And in the report Anthony doesn't shy away from the incident. He says boldly he was defending himself and that Metcalf put hands on him. Now if all Metcalf did was try to move him and he stabbed him then that's not self-defense. But if Metcalf was about to inflict deadly damage then Karmelo might be justified in using deadly force. I don't know how likely that is but it's plausible. That's why I've maintained I'm reserving judgment until all the facts come out.