That's racist!

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Majors said:
It’s not self defense if you brought a weapon.

Do you pick and choose on when to say “I wasn’t there not am I privy to all the facts”?
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Not always true. There have been cases where they defined a weaponless individual as being a threat that required self defense. However, I am not sure this one would fit. In those instances, it was situations like a Kick Boxer or Body Builder taking on someone a lot smaller than them or a woman.
 
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Majors said:
It’s not self defense if you brought a weapon.
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volbound1700 said:
A key difference is that the other side also had guns. That is almost always self-defense. Then again, Majors' comments were kind of silly anyways per another post that I made.
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The difference was a a weapon is forbidden on school grounds. Not sure what the law is pertaining to age but it is irrelevant in this case.
 
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C-south said:
The difference was a a weapon is forbidden on school grounds. Not sure what the law is pertaining to age but it is irrelevant in this case.
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As weird as that is, it doesn't necessarily negate self-defense. It would put Karmelo under a different law that he can be charged with. Granted, I think self-defense is VERY HARD to argue here and won't win.
 
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volbound1700 said:
As weird as that is, it doesn't necessarily negate self-defense. It would put Karmelo under a different law that he can be charged with. Granted, I think self-defense is VERY HARD to argue here and won't win.
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It’s not hard to argue he went looking for trouble. You take a weapon to school, go invade someone else’s area, won’t leave, and kill someone when there’s an altercation. Well not even an altercation as he hadn’t been touched before he killed the guy.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Same reason people carry guns. Self defense. If he was experiencing long term bullying at the hands of this big football player he could have feared for his life and looked for the only weapon he had access to.

I know yall wanna make black people out to be these scary violent monsters but this Karmelo kid looked like a nerd. While the white kid was your All-American good looking popular high school football player. It's usually the popular jock that's bullying the other kids in school.

Now I don't know what happened and if lethal force was justified. All I know is just based on the two kids backgrounds it's plausible to me that the jock was bullying the nerd and the nerd was finally fed up and stood up for himself.
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I agree to some extent, but there are a number of problems this kid has.

These two students didn't appear to have prior contact according to witnesses (at least what I've heard reported)

Based on witnesses it sounds like Karmelo was asked to leave their teams umbrella, (again based on witnesses I've heard about)

Karmelo refused to leave and told the victim "touch me and see what happens" (this sounds like threatening behavior, at least on the surface)

Using the weapon, the force must be reasonable based on the threat. Had Karmelo simply punched this other kid and say something crazy happened like the kid fell, hit his head and died I'd feel differently about his chances and or guilt. Instead he stabbed another kid in the chest. That's a bridge too far based on the threat IMO.

This one sounds like it's going to be very tough beat.
 
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Majors said:
It’s not self defense if you brought a weapon.

Do you pick and choose on when to say “I wasn’t there not am I privy to all the facts”?
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That doesn't actually work...at least in the way you phrase it here. If this were taken literally then it was be impossible for anyone armed, regardless of how legally, to claim self-defense. I don't think that's really what you meant.

As I understand this case (which is by no means fully) I think you're trying to work from the "It is damning to the self-defense argument to willing go to a place while armed in a manner you expressly know to be forbidden." angle. There are rules to having a minor carry a knife at all in TX and as this was (I believe) at a school event would be prohibited regardless. This does not by default eliminate a SD assertion but it is absolutely not a great foundation for making one.
 
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C-south said:
It’s not hard to argue he went looking for trouble. You take a weapon to school, go invade someone else’s area, won’t leave, and kill someone when there’s an altercation. Well not even an altercation as he hadn’t been touched before he killed the guy.
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It was hard to tell from the News but it looks like it was at a Track Event. I ran track, they are typically not on school grounds and I even had track meets after my technical last day of school (as a Senior, basically Track Events were the last thing that I did associated with my high school besides the actual graduation ceremony).

The reason that I bring this up, it could have been an off site situation where he brought the knife. I noticed there wasn't a lot of discussion about the school security so that makes me think this could be the case. Either way, being that both boys were about the same size and build and Austin had no weapons, self-defense is going to be near impossible to obtain.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So because the 5 year old may not understand it that makes it okay? Would you let grown men call your 5 year old daughter the "b word" simply because she might not understand what it means?
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Dad would be dad. Believe under the scenario you stated is what would you do, if someone called my 5 year one daughter that? Isn’t that the issue, how others react?
 
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volbound1700 said:
It was hard to tell from the News but it looks like it was at a Track Event. I ran track, they are typically not on school grounds and I even had track meets after my technical last day of school (as a Senior, basically Track Events were the last thing that I did associated with my high school besides the actual graduation ceremony).

The reason that I bring this up, it could have been an off site situation where he brought the knife. I noticed there wasn't a lot of discussion about the school security so that makes me think this could be the case. Either way, being that both boys were about the same size and build and Austin had no weapons, self-defense is going to be near impossible to obtain.
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I’m pretty certain it was at a school and believe security was there and on the scene almost immediately. Regardless I can’t recall ever going to any sporting event that allowed people to carry concealed weapons high school or otherwise.
 
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C-south said:
I’m pretty certain it was at a school and believe security was there and on the scene almost immediately. Regardless I can’t recall ever going to any sporting event that allowed people to carry concealed weapons high school or otherwise.
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It is definitely illegal either way, I am just thinking how did it not get caught. If he came from off school grounds to the event, it is more feasible than attending school all day with the knife.
 
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ButchPlz said:
What I mainly get from all this is that randomly killing white guys = kosher

White women tired of BS dropping a six-letter word = hate hate hate hate hate
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What I mainly get is that people want to justify/ignore terrible people's behavior bc "look what they did." Some of yall need some help. Let me break it down for you:

The person who murdered the other person is a shat bag. The people who donated to his go fund me are terrible people.

The lady calling a child the N word is a shat bag. The people donating to her go fund me are terrible people.

Yes, murder is far worse. Stupid to even debate that.

Those trying to justify either of this are lost humans. And that's me being kind
 
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volfanhill said:
What I mainly get this is that people want to justify/ignore terrible people's behavior bc "look what they did." Some of yall need some help. Let me break it down for you:

The person who murdered the other person is a shat bag. The people who donated to his go fund me are terrible people.

The lady calling a child the N word is a shat bag. The people donating to her go fund me are terrible people.

Yes, murder is far worse. Stupid to even debate that.

Those trying to justify either of this are lost humans. And that's me being kind
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I honestly think some of this is simple math. If one were to think it reasonable that .01% (which is a very small number) of this country's adult population is some overt level of dooshcanoe that would put over 2.5 million such people in circulation. And that's not even counting just your garden variety ijits/morons.
 
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volfanhill said:
What I mainly get this is that people want to justify/ignore terrible people's behavior bc "look what they did." Some of yall need some help. Let me break it down for you:

The person who murdered the other person is a shat bag. The people who donated to his go fund me are terrible people.

The lady calling a child the N word is a shat bag. The people donating to her go fund me are terrible people.

Yes, murder is far worse. Stupid to even debate that.

Those trying to justify either of this are lost humans. And that's me being kind
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Someone who gets it.
 
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