TFP is reporting Gruden has an offer but staff a hang up

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meeting with gundy tonight must be to put pressure on gruden. but if we are talking money and nothing else and it falls through then the boosters deserve whatever they get.
 
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Allvolwall said:
The TFP has produced the best sportswriters to come out of Tennessee in recent years.
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Personally had Andy Staples tell me basically the TFP management was a disaster when he worked there and they didn't treat people awesome... That's putting it mildly... Heard similar stories from David Jenkins, so tifwiw...
 
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Could you just imagine if Hart tried to kill the deal now? If this story is true--and I believe it is--I don't see a way that Gruden is not the next head coach of the Vols!
 
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armchair said:
So of course the article doesn't say how much Gruden wants for his assistants and what UT has offered--which is crucial to know. Are they far apart? Must be a significant difference, and this might explain why some are saying the deal is off and some are saying that it's not and might/will get done.

Here are two numbers of obtain: how much did Kiffin get for assistant salaries, and how does it compare to what Gruden is being offered? I believe that Kiffin got a LOT of money for his staff, but don't recall the number. But it was high. I'm also curious to know what Saban's staff is getting--a number that Hart could use as leverage. I'm all for giving the guy enough money for a good staff, but we shouldn't be paying $5 million a year, say, for staff. At some point we have to draw the line with Gruden, or maybe boosters just keep ponying up the dough. It just shows how absurd college football has gotten.
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Pay the man now!
 
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howie87 said:
Personally had Andy Staples tell me basically the TFP management was a disaster when he worked there and they didn't treat people awesome... That's putting it mildly... Heard similar stories from David Jenkins, so tifwiw...
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I know basically all of them. They never have said anything to me negatively, but that doesn't mean anything. Still doesn't change the fact that they have a good track record producing sports writers that make it big.
 
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Big fan of P Brown and is the only guy I read cause he stays with the facts not including his opinion. Also with him being an alum I know he has UTs best interest in mind as well. So I want to believe if he is going to put this out there he's pretty confident about it. Now I just hope it doesn't backfire on him cause that would really suck.

Sorry can't remember who it was...but to the guy that said coaching in the NFL is no different...no proof of that at all. Especially when u go from all NFL experience down to CFB.

Gruden is a home-run hire in regard to instant revenue generating and buzz (recruiting, etc) but he is no guarantee in the win column or the future legendary coach at UT.

To the guy in IL that's new on here...log-off and go make love to ur GF. Seriously step back and walk away...seriously bro..
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Allvolwall said:
I know basically all of them. They never have said anything to me negatively, but that doesn't mean anything. Still doesn't change the fact that they have a good track record producing sports writers that make it big.
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Chattanooga is a nice launching pad for people in general I think...
 
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VolsRule said:
pay the assistants whatever gruden wants---UT has plenty of money to pay top $.
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Does it??? Last time I heard the AD isn't in great financial shape and the school just released it some money but not enough to just say...heck UT can afford it!! Other peoples money is the easiest to spend on this site.

At the end of the day UTs powers at be are going to have to leverage this hire so having to decide if its worth it. If Gruden had a Saban like CFB resume prior to going to bama then it would be an easy decision imo. But he doesn't so.....????
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Oskie Volum said:
Does it??? Last time I heard the AD isn't in great financial shape and the school just released it some money but not enough to just say...heck UT can afford it!! Other peoples money is the easiest to spend on this site.

At the end of the day UTs powers at be are going to have to leverage this hire so having to decide if its worth it. If Gruden had a Saban like CFB resume prior to going to bama then it would be an easy decision imo. But he doesn't so.....????
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If you can't afford a top dollar staff then don't offer Jon Gruden. I could see this being a "we went for the best but couldn't make a deal" thing. Public knows we offered so now if he turns it down the fan base at least knows errr thinks he tried.
 
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IMO, there's no way you pass on Gruden because of the staff budget. They can't be that far apart. The fans would run Hart out of town if they found out he didn't hire Gruden because he wanted an extra million or so to hire an all star staff. I can see a $3-4 million difference being a issue but there's no way it's that much. When you make a hire of this magnitude, you don't handcuff the coach from the get go. These coaches (Saban,Gruden,etc.) have huge egos and won't compromise that much because they are proven at what they do. So if Gruden doesn't come here, the reason better not be the staff budget or Hart will feel the wrath of the Grudenites!
 
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dsimplified said:
IMO, there's no way you pass on Gruden because of the staff budget. They can't be that far apart. The fans would run Hart out of town if they found out he didn't hire Gruden because he wanted an extra million or so to hire an all star staff. I can see a $3-4 million difference being a issue but there's no way it's that much. When you make a hire of this magnitude, you don't handcuff the coach from the get go. These coaches (Saban,Gruden,etc.) have huge egos and won't compromise that much because they are proven at what they do. So if Gruden doesn't come here, the reason better not be the staff budget or Hart will feel the wrath of the Grudenites!
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If that is truly the reason we don't get Gruden, the fan base will run Hart back to obscurity.
 
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I think the most important part of this article is that the source likely comes from Gruden's side. Which means he wants the job and is forcing Hart's hand to meet his demands and get it done. The Tennessee job will be long gone by the time any NFL jobs open so I don't buy that he is using Tennessee to drive up his price. However, if Hart really was in Oklahoma tonight maybe he has moved on from Gruden.
 
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howie87 said:
Personally had Andy Staples tell me basically the TFP management was a disaster when he worked there and they didn't treat people awesome... That's putting it mildly... Heard similar stories from David Jenkins, so tifwiw...
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With all respect. You are wrong
 
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NEOCON said:
meeting with gundy tonight must be to put pressure on gruden. but if we are talking money and nothing else and it falls through then the boosters deserve whatever they get.
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This is on Hart now. If he backs out there will be rioting
 
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