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[phowell23]

Much like Sherman, I look for the CDD scenario to go about the same way or worse. CDD had 2 losing seasons just as Sherman did. He then went 9-3 as his schedule got alot easier, and then 6-6 this year. While I doubt CDD wins 9 games as our schedule has got alot easier in year 3, we will be looking for a new coach in year 3 or 4. We are just postponing the inevitable.

Postponing might actually be a good thing as if that indeed does happen and CDD is fired after year 4 then the new coaching staff will at least have some great talent and depth.

 

[volssam]

None of the guys mentioned will command a big salary coming in. They'll load it with incentives but the base will be low. Sherman's buyout is actually $5.8 million. Dooley's would be $5 million.

Sherman had 4 years and a team loaded with HIS players. Dooley has not and does not.

If DD is 6-6 in year 4.... I will be the first to say he should be let go.

Yep. Gotta be given a chance.

And not where you have to
-start 6 true freshmen.
-have your DTs be a converted DE and converted OT
- have your starting MLB be a converted FB
- have your SS be a converted true freshman free safety
- have your free safety be a converted CB
- have your 2nd and 3rd options at wr (post hunter ) be a converted RB and a true freshman
- have to play without your best playmaker on offense and 3 of your top 5 returning playmakers on defense ( JJ lathers and brewer)
- have to play half the yr without your best qb
And all in the SEC!

But yeah --- all dooley's fault. Get real

 

[TXA&M07]

I hear they're going to hire Manny Diaz as one final FU to Texas. TIFWIW

Your source sucks

 

[Hickmc]

Yep. Gotta be given a chance.

And not where you have to
-start 6 true freshmen.
-have your DTs be a converted DE and converted OT
- have your starting MLB be a converted FB
- have your SS be a converted true freshman free safety
- have your free safety be a converted CB
- have your 2nd and 3rd options at wr (post hunter ) be a converted RB and a true freshman
- have to play without your best playmaker on offense and 3 of your top 5 returning playmakers on defense ( JJ lathers and brewer)
- have to play half the yr without your best qb
And all in the SEC!

But yeah --- all dooley's fault. Get real

:clapping: Amen!!

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Postponing might actually be a good thing as if that indeed does happen and CDD is fired after year 4 then the new coaching staff will at least have some great talent and depth.

I would take my chances on a new hire. Much the same way CDD held his 1st class together with almost no time before NSD, I think a coach coming in with a winning record would do the same. CDD has recruited pretty well here and this class should be right in the middle of the SEC rankings. It's a roll of the dice I think. CDD may win 7-8 games in 2013 or he may have his 3rd losing season in a row here. IF we had a new coach come in and save the recruiting class, I would like our chances going into 2012 alot more.

IMO, why subject the players and fans to loses just to build roster depth? I think a winning coach could build the depth, AND give us a better chance of putting a product on the field to comepete for 4 qtrs.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Yep. Gotta be given a chance.

And not where you have to
-start 6 true freshmen.
-have your DTs be a converted DE and converted OT
- have your starting MLB be a converted FB
- have your SS be a converted true freshman free safety
- have your free safety be a converted CB
- have your 2nd and 3rd options at wr (post hunter ) be a converted RB and a true freshman
- have to play without your best playmaker on offense and 3 of your top 5 returning playmakers on defense ( JJ lathers and brewer)
- have to play half the yr without your best qb
And all in the SEC!

But yeah --- all dooley's fault. Get real

I think the big problem alot of people have is not the record. It is the fact that with everything you listed, very few of them made any improvement over a 12 game season. Quality coaching should lead to new players, young talent, and kids playing new roles to get better as the year goes on. I don't think we saw much of that this year. Alot of positions looked worse even though the kids had played ALOT of snaps and or started. We had players who looked better as freshmen than they did as sophomores. CDD fault?? I would think so.

 

[BigVOLFAN1]

I would take my chances on a new hire. Much the same way CDD held his 1st class together with almost no time before NSD, I think a coach coming in with a winning record would do the same. CDD has recruited pretty well here and this class should be right in the middle of the SEC rankings. It's a roll of the dice I think. CDD may win 7-8 games in 2013 or he may have his 3rd losing season in a row here. IF we had a new coach come in and save the recruiting class, I would like our chances going into 2012 alot more.

IMO, why subject the players and fans to loses just to build roster depth? I think a winning coach could build the depth, AND give us a better chance of putting a product on the field to comepete for 4 qtrs.

What coach would it be? I see all of these post about getting a winning record. Who? All of the coaches with a "Winning" record all have jobs for a reason. With so many vacancies out there I just don't know who it would be.
We can't have a pipe dream name either. Who is a proven head coach and can win in the SEC?

 

[phil]

Yep. Gotta be given a chance.

And not where you have to
-start 6 true freshmen.
-have your DTs be a converted DE and converted OT
- have your starting MLB be a converted FB
- have your SS be a converted true freshman free safety
- have your free safety be a converted CB
- have your 2nd and 3rd options at wr (post hunter ) be a converted RB and a true freshman
- have to play without your best playmaker on offense and 3 of your top 5 returning playmakers on defense ( JJ lathers and brewer)
- have to play half the yr without your best qb
And all in the SEC!
But yeah --- all dooley's fault. Get real

Very well said

 

[ItsAllVols]

What coach would it be? I see all of these post about getting a winning record. Who? All of the coaches with a "Winning" record all have jobs for a reason. With so many vacancies out there I just don't know who it would be.
We can't have a pipe dream name either. Who is a proven head coach and can win in the SEC?

YEP...as we have witness change of HC can also be a bad choice...

 

[volssam]

I think the big problem alot of people have is not the record. It is the fact that with everything you listed, very few of them made any improvement over a 12 game season. Quality coaching should lead to new players, young talent, and kids playing new roles to get better as the year goes on. I don't think we saw much of that this year. Alot of positions looked worse even though the kids had played ALOT of snaps and or started. We had players who looked better as freshmen than they did as sophomores. CDD fault?? I would think so.

Bray was good till he got hurt. Rogers and hunter were on fire till hunter went down. And Rogers still had a good season. Malik = beast mode. Couch got a LOT better throughout the yr. as did AJJ. Waggner had to play out of his normal position Our offense looked out of sorts most of the yr I will grant you. But that is largely due to us losing out BEST player And then lost bray. So are the multiplicity of bad snaps and dropped passes and false starts dooley's fault??? I will grant you the run game was putrid which is why we need a new OL coach and a TB coach

 

[sanddune50]

so you really think a DC who would be snapped up by a number of programs would just accept a demotion at UT and be happy? People really need to start thinking through these scenarios before posting them

If Wilcox leaves I hear Rex Ryan is on the hot seat in NY.:whistling:

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Bray was good till he got hurt. Rogers and hunter were on fire till hunter went down. And Rogers still had a good season. Malik = beast mode. Couch got a LOT better throughout the yr. as did AJJ. Waggner had to play out of his normal position Our offense looked out of sorts most of the yr I will grant you. But that is largely due to us losing out BEST player And then lost bray. So are the multiplicity of bad snaps and dropped passes and false starts dooley's fault??? I will grant you the run game was putrid which is why we need a new OL coach and a TB coach

Bray, Rogers, and Hunter were on fire VS Montana and Cinci. It's tough to think our offense would have went from a train wreck to much improved because of Hunter. I get that it's an excuse used by alot of people. Bray looks like a very different QB when he plays VS a team with a heartbeat. It's just the way it has been over his 1st 2 years. When players are dropping passes, false starts, fumbles, snapping it over peoples head, this does come back on the head coach. These are things that are COACHED. Also, if they keep happening and the coach keeps sending them out there to keep screwing up of course its the coach.

 

[volssam]

Bray, Rogers, and Hunter were on fire VS Montana and Cinci. It's tough to think our offense would have went from a train wreck to much improved because of Hunter. I get that it's an excuse used by alot of people. Bray looks like a very different QB when he plays VS a team with a heartbeat. It's just the way it has been over his 1st 2 years. When players are dropping passes, false starts, fumbles, snapping it over peoples head, this does come back on the head coach. These are things that are COACHED. Also, if they keep happening and the coach keeps sending them out there to keep screwing up of course its the coach.

People love to say that about bray. But they don't have much behind their statements either. Bray has not played against the powers yet really. He played against FL and threw for nearly 300 yards and 3 tds and this was with the drastic loss of hunter happening THAT day which majorly affected the gameplan and we had no running game for the D to worry about. So to me that's an amazing performance. Sure he had some bad throws. What qb doesn't ?

He had an ok game vs Uga. If refs were consistent and fair maybe it woulda been better And he played terrible vs ky.

Again with the running game I agree with you It has regressed not progressed. Which is why we need changes there.

You don't think Dooley tries to coach the players on false starts snaps and drops? Of course he does. But he can't make the plays himself

 

[volssam]

AND. He did make changes. He moved stone to guard then second string. He input the wildcat to try to bring life to the run game. He put in Worley to try to help passing.

There's only so much he can do with what he has to work with.

All you football forum people see are the blowouts ( to 3 of the best teams in the country) and the loss to ky which btw is the first time he has lost a game he was supposed to win. Happens to every single coach. Every one. Not losing to ky but losing a game you should win

 

[10PIRTLE10]

Not to mention football-god, Nick Saban, lost to Louisiana-Monroe. Everyone has one of those games. He was awful at Bama his first year, but once he got all his recruits and system in place he excelled. Has Dooley been what we’d hoped to this point? No way. But we don’t know that he won’t be in the future.

 

[phowell23]

I would take my chances on a new hire. Much the same way CDD held his 1st class together with almost no time before NSD, I think a coach coming in with a winning record would do the same. CDD has recruited pretty well here and this class should be right in the middle of the SEC rankings. It's a roll of the dice I think. CDD may win 7-8 games in 2013 or he may have his 3rd losing season in a row here. IF we had a new coach come in and save the recruiting class, I would like our chances going into 2012 alot more.

IMO, why subject the players and fans to loses just to build roster depth? I think a winning coach could build the depth, AND give us a better chance of putting a product on the field to comepete for 4 qtrs.

2012 and 2013 seasons is what will judge Dooley IMO. These first 2 seasons don't mean squat to me as he had no depth and hardly any talent and the ones that had talent had no experience.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

2012 and 2013 seasons is what will judge Dooley IMO. These first 2 seasons don't mean squat to me as he had no depth and hardly any talent and the ones that had talent had no experience.

I would agree that the wins and loses did not mean a whole lot the last 2 years. The lack of improvement by the players on the field I think says a whole lot about CDD and the coaching abilities of this team.

 

[volssam]

2012 and 2013 seasons is what will judge Dooley IMO. These first 2 seasons don't mean squat to me as he had no depth and hardly any talent and the ones that had talent had no experience.

You quit that logic and sense-filled posting. You stop it right now

 

[sjt18]

Much like Sherman, I look for the CDD scenario to go about the same way or worse. CDD had 2 losing seasons just as Sherman did. He then went 9-3 as his schedule got alot easier, and then 6-6 this year. While I doubt CDD wins 9 games as our schedule has got alot easier in year 3, we will be looking for a new coach in year 3 or 4. We are just postponing the inevitable.

There is probably NOTHING that gets under my skin more than definitive statements like this. Unless you are God Himself, you don't know what is "inevitable".

I do not KNOW what will happen. I said from the day he was hired that his chances were less than 50% of being successful enough to have the job after 3 years. I now think it is probably 4 because of his buyout but nonetheless the mountain he's trying to climb is EXTREMELY difficult. There were two primary factors for why I thought and think that way.

One, he inherited an absolute mess. The roster wouldn't have been top tier in the Sunbelt Conference. The little talent there was... was too young to build a winning team on in the short run. The experience there was... lacked the talent to win in the short run. There were discipline problems. There were/are organizational problems. In short, an absolute train wreck.

Two, I knew that fans would react the way they have in this past week if improvement didn't come in a hurry and in a "pretty" way. I was actually attacked for saying so. There were assurances that a fanbase that was so patient with Fulmer would give DD sufficient time to rebuild the program before turning on him. I knew better. I knew there would be doomsayers like you... and worse , that would call for his head when instant gratification didn't come.

And.... Dooley knew these two things too. That's why he did all he could to give himself time by demanding big buyouts without pushing on salary. He wanted to take out insurance so to speak so he had at least a chance of succeeding.

 

[Voldemonium]

AND. He did make changes. He moved stone to guard then second string. He input the wildcat to try to bring life to the run game. He put in Worley to try to help passing.

There's only so much he can do with what he has to work with.

All you football forum people see are the blowouts ( to 3 of the best teams in the country) and the loss to ky which btw is the first time he has lost a game he was supposed to win. Happens to every single coach. Every one. Not losing to ky but losing a game you should win

It took half the season to move Stone to guard and then 2nd string. Why so long? Why have him switch to snapping right handed in the first place? He was doing just fine lefty last year. IIRC LSU's center snaps left handed so it obviously isn't important enough to screw up the chemistry of the line. It's almost as if Dooley get's this idea of the way things should be (on paper) and completely ignores what's happening on the field. It's freakin' infuriating.

 

[sjt18]

OK... now we have a mind reader to go with the fortune teller... GREAT.

 

[MoB_MoVols]

Let's start the hire Mike Sherman thread right now! This man can coach O line and run the offense. So that would free up Jim Chaney to work elsewhere. Then we can hire Mike Stoops to run the defense and move Wilcox over to coaching the DB's and get rid of Terry Joeseph. Last but not least hire Larrry Porter to coach the RB's. This staff would be outstanding but how long would it stay together after winning??

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