Terry Joseph

[The Breakerboy]

Breaker, do you think the problems with Teague can be fixed from a coaching stand point or is he just not cut out to be a DB? Is it just his mechanics or is it mental as well? He seems to have good speed but just can't cover worth a damn.

He's not that fast, he doesn't play with any fire, and he's not a CB. Lol he needs to be playing WR.

 

[Willy999]

I agree Momma Croom. Leave the Coaches alone. We have to have their backs right now.

I got their backs

 

[sjt18]

What kind of clowns do we have on here doing call outs? Chuck Smith was nothing like the TJ situation. Dooley brought a couple of guys who based on resume didnt belong. One is already gone.

Wanting the best for our program is not at all being negative.

No. Harping on coaches when you have no idea about what you are talking about is though.

Randy Shannon should not be saddled with a baseball player as his recruiting coordinator and the 4th or 5th best recruiter on TNs staff if we get rs and barrow and keep.LT should not be viewed as vital.

Again, leave the important decisions to the experts... or at least those who have the information.

Year 1 he said he had no SEC cbs.

True or not? you later claim these are excuses so is it absolutely objectively true that in year one this staff did not have SEC worthy CB's? It pretty much is... therefore it is a REASON, not an excuse.

Year 2 he said that his jucos were out of shape.

Actually I saw that rumored. If it was said by the staff, it was not a major topic. The fact is that there's a difference between the speed of the game even coming from JUCO.

After JJ was gone and Brewer went down and Teague couldn't hold up and Gordon couldn't figure out how to play well on two plays in a row... UT ended up experimenting with combinations of first year players. They started getting better and finally settled in a little when Randolph and Lanier staked a solid claim. Those guys finished 5th and 7th respectively on the team in tackles... after starting out not getting a ton of PT. That's kind of an indication that the DB coach is doing a little work.

What is the year 3 excuse? We still will not have a dominant pass rush.

Lott or Fred White or Terry Fair...they all know nothing about football right? ;SMH...

UT over the past two years has been forced to play way too many new guys. That is not Dooley's fault nor Joseph's.

I don't know what the guy's abilities are. I noted improvement with those young DB's. They started getting burned less and tackling better. However Dooley's job depends on making the right choice about his staff. He knows TJ. He watches TJ work. He's done so for about 5 years now. He has decided so far that he is willing to put his own welfare in TJ's hands... excuse me if that carries a little more weight than what you are speculating.

 

[kw3953]

MZ TERRY and TERRY Joseph equate to being very valuable to this program right now. TERRY obviously reigning supreme. Move on to more pressing worries please. :wassup:

 

[UTFanForLife]

I am pretty sure, if Terry Joseph did not come from LaTech and actually played football somewhere, we would have to pry the people bashing him off his nuts.

He is a great recruiter and the secondary has not been horrible under his tenure. The secondary has not been the best, but you have to have players in order to be the best.

A great example, Chavis. When he was at UT, people thought he was the best ever in the 90's. Then, before he got the axe, Chavis was blasted left and right for his D. Now, people are all about Chavis again at LSU. What is the main differences? Players.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

SJT,

If you know the staff as you seem to indicate with the way you responded, you know that if TJ leaves after the convention it will not have a giant negative impact.

He had a valid excuse year 1. Year 2 he had some guys who seemed to regress, while others did better.

Barrow is rumored to not be great at coaching. His recruiting is so good it does not matter. I would not say that is the case with Terry.

To those comparing him to Leach or Weis...really?

Brent Brewer regressed and it was not due to his injury, it happened before it.

He is not a bad person, he is not the worst coach in the world, he does not have to be fired.

He is held in higher esteem than he should be based on the results he is bringing and while we are upgrading the whole staff that will start to become more apparent.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

People made up their minds about CTJ before he even got here when they saw his resume.

 

[SandoVOL]

So Lanier, Randolph, and Coleman didn't get better as the season progressed? You have to remember that we have absolutely 0 pass rush and are playing 2 true freshmen in the secondary and a corner playing safety.

Yes they were progressing, learning the playbook and adjusting to SEC play, the individual technique still looked like ****. Backpedal timing was awful, never jammed their man and never looked for the ball.

Everyone complained about our CB speed all season cause they were consistently getting burned, speed is not the larger issue here.

 

[sjt18]

SJT,

If you know the staff as you seem to indicate with the way you responded, you know that if TJ leaves after the convention it will not have a giant negative impact.

Any coach can be replaced. I am arguing that he's done a decent job and I am anxious to see what his group does with some stability, talent, and experience.

He had a valid excuse year 1. Year 2 he had some guys who seemed to regress, while others did better.

Who regressed? Teague? JJ covered a multitude of sins by the other DB's last year by being EVERYWHERE.

Brent Brewer regressed and it was not due to his injury, it happened before it.

Once again, was he ready to be the leader back there or was he still looking over his shoulder for JJ? Brewer started out slow then got injured. Tough break... but not enough to say he regressed because of coaching. Did TJ somehow "uncoach" him? Come on. You know better than that. Brewer was trying to adjust to the new reality back there.

He is held in higher esteem than he should be based on the results he is bringing and while we are upgrading the whole staff that will start to become more apparent.

As with Dooley and the staff as a whole, I am not sure how good they are at actually coaching a team. I AM however keeping an open mind until they have a roster that actually lets them show what they can do.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Sjt, we may be closer on this than I at first thought.

I am somewhat worried if the reports are true that Barrow is not a great coach that LT will not enjoy having to coach LBs and DTs both in a sense. Hopefully Shannon can pay some extra attention to that area as well.

I think after next season if people stay healthy that Heistand and Chaney will be looked at much differently by Vol Nation.

I am convinced that Hinshaw is a pretty good recruiter and a pretty bad QBs coach. It showed with Worley and it showed with other guys. Moving him to WR is a gift from God for him. Hilarious if after an awesome year next year (possibly school and conference record breaking) people start thinking he is a great coach.

Brewer is an older guy, and may not have listened as much, or he may have had a typical sophomore slump, where he was trying to think about everything more and therefore was playing slower. Whatever the case, I am a guy who loves a strong secondary and I thought they should have been better this past year even knowing Janzen was gone.

Our LBs looked awesome, and Sirmon was perhaps my favorite asst. coach/recruiter. When his young guys missed a tackle because they were out of position, they hung their heads immediately because they knew they screwed up. They also got dramatically better the longer they were out there.

I maybe should not have written about TJ on the board, I just think he is at best a great burger and I think he is about to be served next to some filet mignon.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

Yes they were progressing, learning the playbook and adjusting to SEC play, the individual technique still looked like ****. Backpedal timing was awful, never jammed their man and never looked for the ball.

Everyone complained about our CB speed all season cause they were consistently getting burned, speed is not the larger issue here.

You cant teach speed and all of our players had areas that they struggled in. Our corners had to play off because of the good chance that they would get burned. Thats exactly why we are recruiting dbs for speed this year. The main problem was that Wilcox loved to run man and we don't really have any good man coverage corners except for Waggner.

 

[ajvol01]

Whats not to like? He is a nice guy. He is not someone whose leaving would cost us more than perhaps a WR.

Terry Joseph is not the but for cause of our recruiting success. Why is that hard to understand?

Shannon
Barrow
Thompson
Orgeron
Trooper
Frank Wilson
Eddie Gran
even Peter Sirmon

we have had lots.of better recruiters than him lately.

had? that is past tense you know. Shannon & Barrow....hmmm.

just curious, how long were Wilson, Gran & Orgeron employed at UT? 1 season

Sirmon? 1 season as coach (1 as GA)

Thompson is loyal and is the real deal both as a recruiter and coach. More guys like him is what I want.

Trooper...no thank you.

All you seem to care about is getting big name coaches/recruiters on staff and not developing a group of coaches that wants to be here for this team.

I doubt anyone could give an example of a school where that formula works when the big name coaches/recruiters must be replaced every 1-2 years.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Eddie Gran had valid reasons for getting away from the wild boys.

He went back to where his contacts are deepest.

Frank Wilson did the same thing.

Coach yaya was a mercenary plain and simple.

I do want stability from coaches but I think we are in a unique time to upgrade.

Dooley came it at a very difficult time and was not able to assemble the best staff.

The other coaches are not stupid and Tennessee has lots of positives today that did not exist two years ago.

 

[ajvol01]

Eddie Gran had valid reasons for getting away from the wild boys.

He went back to where his contacts are deepest.

Frank Wilson did the same thing.

Coach yaya was a mercenary plain and simple.

I do want stability from coaches but I think we are in a unique time to upgrade.

Dooley came it at a very difficult time and was not able to assemble the best staff.

The other coaches are not stupid and Tennessee has lots of positives today that did not exist two years ago.

you didn't even mention Baggett who is also a very good recruiter and no longer on the staff...2 yrs

IMO staff turnover is not good when trying to rebuild a program

We need good coaches that WANT to be here...tired of all the suggestions for us needing to make a big "splash" hire

this team and the roster is better off today than when Dooley was hired < 2 yrs ago

we do not need more staff changes...this team needs consistency

CLT would probably be best choice for DC to continue the scheme/terminology the current players already know

when/if we go outside for DC hire we should all expect a learning curve that will start to show improvement by the 7th or 8th game

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

coach baggett did not enjoy the work needed as a recruiter. one of the reasons he "retired".