Terry Joesph to Nebraska (Rumor)...

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99gator said:
You dont lose 7 members of a staff, with none receiving a promotion, and have it be a good thing.

I'm sorry, but it is "sunshine pumping" when every move is an upgrade.

And if it is (for sake of argument), then what does it say about dooley's ability to hire a staff in the first place.

What, he was taking his time hiring good coaches?
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We will see, but promotions do not tell the whole story.

Wilcox- more money, longer contract, and gets to be back on the west coast.

Sirmon- See Wilcox

Thompson- butt hurt he wasn't considered for the D Coordinator job. Got more money and went to a NC program.

Russell- Reunited with Leach and got more money.

If we lose Joseph, that would put him reunited with the DC that gave him a job at LSU, with more money, not having to split his coaching with another DB coach, and more years on contract.


Hiestand and Baggett were essentially removed from the staff.


And to your other argument. I think most would agree we got a better DL coach, a better ST coach, Graham probably is an upgrade over Baggett considering need for a RB coach/Recruiting, a better LB coach in Sunseri, a better DB coach in Ansley, and a better OL coach.

I can't say if we upgraded at DC yet, and of course we don't know what route they will go to replace Joseph.
 
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StoVol said:
Only played one great passing team and they shredded us..
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Actually, Alabama had the most passing yards against us with 294. Are you referring to them as the great passing team? I'm assuming you're talking about Arkansas who had a total of 245 yards passing against us. I'd hardly call that getting "shredded" in the passing game. They actually had more rushing yards in the game with 254. Well over 100 of which were in the first half, so no, it was not them just running out the clock at the end.
 
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How long did Dooley have to put together that first staff?
Is it not likely that some of the hires were quick, "have to" hires (i.e. Joseph perhaps) because he had 3 weeks to close a class?
Other hires were already decided for him (i.e. Chaney and Lance Thompson).
And then there were those he more thoroughly sought out, some of whom worked out well (i.e. Wilcox) and others who didn't (i.e. Chuck Smith).

It makes sense that chemistry among the coaches would be a problem.

At least Dooley had the guts to stick this out and play this through.
Let's support him and hope for the best this season.
 
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Who is Jason talking about?

Jayson Swain ‏ @JaysonSwain

Put a former 1st rd pick in the living rooms of recruits, played 10+ yrs in the NFL at high level and loves UT with a passion. NO BRAINER
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onefesternation said:
Actually, Alabama had the most passing yards against us with 294. Are you referring to them as the great passing team? I'm assuming you're talking about Arkansas who had a total of 245 yards passing against us. I'd hardly call that getting "shredded" in the passing game. They actually had more rushing yards in the game with 254. Well over 100 of which were in the first half, so no, it was not them just running out the clock at the end.
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And they weren't even a great passing team.. Thanks for proving my point... Good teams could do anything they wanted .. Great ones dominated us... Reflected in their balanced attack ... Once they got a lead they rushed the majority of the fourth qtr to end the game.. My point was in case u missed it was that we were a decent defense.. Barely.. No matter what the stats say... Teams simply did not need a lot of yards in the second half against us to win.. They already lead.. Yes I was referring to arky.. And 500 yds total offense is a shredding in my book
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah. Out of all the reasons a person could take a new job the only one it can possibly be is that he's jumping off a sinking ship to get away from Dooley... right?

You don't have to be a "sunshime pumper".... you just have to NOT be a moron blinded by bias.

Possible reasons:
- More money
- Wants to work for Pelini and thinks it would help his career
- Wants to get away from the scrutiny and criticism the staff faces at UT
- Does not like the way he fits in the new DC's program
- Wants to coach for a fanbase who loves their team and "pumps sunshine" regardless of whether they are up or down
- Does not like Hart and the changes taking place throughout the AD
- Wants to try a new region of the country
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I don't disagree with you on all of those points, but if the two I bolded are what he's looking for, he better keep looking past Nebraska. They're probably worse than we are (see Frank Solich).

I do get a bit alarmed when I see people making posts, making excuses for 7 staff members that have left, though. If it were 2-3, that would be understandable, but we're talking about 7. The writing is on the wall, folks.
 
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99gator said:
You dont lose 7 members of a staff, with none receiving a promotion, and have it be a good thing.

I'm sorry, but it is "sunshine pumping" when every move is an upgrade.

And if it is (for sake of argument), then what does it say about dooley's ability to hire a staff in the first place.

What, he was taking his time hiring good coaches?
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See below.

voladdiction said:
How long did Dooley have to put together that first staff?
Is it not likely that some of the hires were quick, "have to" hires (i.e. Joseph perhaps) because he had 3 weeks to close a class?
Other hires were already decided for him (i.e. Chaney and Lance Thompson).
And then there were those he more thoroughly sought out, some of whom worked out well (i.e. Wilcox) and others who didn't (i.e. Chuck Smith).

It makes sense that chemistry among the coaches would be a problem.

At least Dooley had the guts to stick this out and play this through.
Let's support him and hope for the best this season.
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99gator said:
You dont lose 7 members of a staff, with none receiving a promotion, and have it be a good thing.

I'm sorry, but it is "sunshine pumping" when every move is an upgrade.

And if it is (for sake of argument), then what does it say about dooley's ability to hire a staff in the first place.

What, he was taking his time hiring good coaches?
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Normally 99, I might agree with you. But not in this case. As I recall, off the top of my head, Dooley was hired with like 10-12 days to go right before a National Signing Day. When Kiffin left, we had probably ten guys to decommit. The timing was about as bad as it could possibly be. (the guy leaving Rutgers this year was even worse....but they stayed in-house with the new coach) So Dools had to grab whatever people he could find to piece together a staff quickly to get out on the recruiting trails. Some were ok, some not that great.

Yes, we can say that Dooley hired a bad staff. The product on the field this year clearly showed that there is a need for improved coaching. I think it would have been a mistake to charge forward into 2012 with the exact same staff. That is just my humble opinion.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Waiting for the Polyannas to spin this as a 'good thing' . . .
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Not a good thing. Nor is it the end of the world or that Dooley is the reason or that Dooley is doomed to fail as UT's HC. It is what it is... and nothing more.

It is a convenient strawman used by some here to limit opinions on Dooley to two things only: One, he's doomed to fail with no chance of success. Two, sunshine pumpers believing for no good reason that he's a great coach.

Obviously that leaves out the reasonable position of waiting to see what he actually does with a decent roster... but the haters have no tolerance at all for that position.
 
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tvols75 said:
We will see, but promotions do not tell the whole story.

Wilcox- more money, longer contract, and gets to be back on the west coast.

Sirmon- See Wilcox

Thompson- butt hurt he wasn't considered for the D Coordinator job. Got more money and went to a NC program.

Russell- Reunited with Leach and got more money.

If we lose Joseph, that would put him reunited with the DC that gave him a job at LSU, with more money, not having to split his coaching with another DB coach, and more years on contract.


Hiestand and Baggett were essentially removed from the staff.


And to your other argument. I think most would agree we got a better DL coach, a better ST coach, Graham probably is an upgrade over Baggett considering need for a RB coach/Recruiting, a better LB coach in Sunseri, a better DB coach in Ansley, and a better OL coach.

I can't say if we upgraded at DC yet, and of course we don't know what route they will go to replace Joseph.
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Homers going to home.

You can provide some bull**** excuse for why all these coaches are bailing on Dooley - but in no way does it make it a good thing or provide a way to put a positive spin on literally replacing a whole staff in one off season like the gator fan said. It's terrible timing for Dooley considering this is his make or break season.

The fact that Dooley is switching to a 3-4 in such a pivotal year just screams last ditch desperation effort.
 
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utvolpj said:
I was thinking Terry Fair but he didn't play that long. Maybe Peyton? :)
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I'm thinking Fair or Lott, do you think he's making a prediction or trying to influence the process?

Jayson Swain ‏ @JaysonSwain

Ive seen first hand what Andre Lott and Terry Fair did to a group of DB's in a offseason on the teams I played on. Just sayin'
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99gator said:
You dont lose 7 members of a staff, with none receiving a promotion, and have it be a good thing.

I'm sorry, but it is "sunshine pumping" when every move is an upgrade.

And if it is (for sake of argument), then what does it say about dooley's ability to hire a staff in the first place.

What, he was taking his time hiring good coaches?
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Please consider the very short period of time he had to put his first coaching staff together. Some had buyouts (ie Chaney) that he wasn't allowed to get rid of at first. He pretty much has had to wait for the ones he would of wanted out (he knew Wilcox wanted to get back west. Sirmon sucked though) to leave on their own. He got rid of the ones that wouldn't leave (ie Baggit).

The coaches that left for "lateral" moves did have connections and other solid reasons for going where they did.

Though unstabilty sux, I'm ok with CDD having the turnover he is as it can also show that other HCs see good things in our program. We r getting solid if not better replacements, and that too is a good sign about the state of the program. CDD would have been laughed at by the new coaches the first time around.
 
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utvolpj said:
I would guess the latter but he could just be throwing out names of friends
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Probably. Both great players but neither have a tremendous coaching resume' at this point. It appears Lott is doing a great job with the VFL program and he has about the same coaching experience that Joseph had when CDD hired him at La Tech. Maybe he stepped up during the weeks before NSD and did something in recruiting that told CDD to move him over. Who knows, just speculating at this point, but it would be nice to replace CTJ (if he leaves) with a former Vol with coaching experience similar to Jay Grahams.
 
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He's pushing Fair...

Jayson Swain ‏ @JaysonSwain

Fair is on a diff sports talk show in town, but truth is truth. He would be a great coach who didn't take the G.A route 2 get n 2 coaching
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YorkVol said:
but it would be nice to replace CTJ (if he leaves) with a former Vol with coaching experience similar to Jay Grahams.
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that's definitely the key IMO. I'm all for a former Vol but we have some potential playmakers in need of coaching.
 
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