Terrence Cody Hype

[cascade11]

This has been bothering me for a while and recently all the finalists for the awards came out. I am not saying either of these guys deserve to be on the list, but I thought it might make for an interesting debate none the less. Compare Cody's numbers to someone like Wes Brown.

TC- 22 tackles, 5 for loss, 0 sacks, 2 hurries, 1 pass break up, 2 blocked kicks (ouch)
WB- 16 tackles, 4 for loss, 2.5 sacks, 2 INT, 1 FR, 1 TD

Pretty comparable, yet Cody gets so much national hype because:
1. He is massive.
2. He plays for the number two team in the country.
3. Because he blocked 2 kicks against Tennessee.

Those do not qualify as good reasons in my opinion to be named one of the three best interior linemen (more less the Heisman Bama fans wanted to give him after the Tennessee game).

Now comparing to Wes is decent but how about two guys who get no love outside of this state, Chris Walker & Dan Williams.

CW- 34 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 6 sacks, 2 INT, 1 pass break up, 1 FF

DW- 56 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 2 sacks, 9 hurries, 1 FR

Their numbers are much better than Cody. I understand the reasons he gets the pub he does, but in my mind it is unwarranted. Just thought this was worth mentioning.

 

[checkerboards09]

This has been bothering me for a while and recently all the finalists for the awards came out. I am not saying either of these guys deserve to be on the list, but I thought it might make for an interesting debate none the less. Compare Cody's numbers to someone like Wes Brown.

TC- 22 tackles, 5 for loss, 0 sacks, 2 hurries, 1 pass break up, 2 blocked kicks (ouch)
WB- 16 tackles, 4 for loss, 2.5 sacks, 2 INT, 1 FR, 1 TD

Pretty comparable, yet Cody gets so much national hype because:
1. He is massive.
2. He plays for the number two team in the country.
3. Because he blocked 2 kicks against Tennessee.

Those do not qualify as good reasons in my opinion to be named one of the three best interior linemen (more less the Heisman Bama fans wanted to give him after the Tennessee game).

Now comparing to Wes is decent but how about two guys who get no love outside of this state, Chris Walker & Dan Williams.

CW- 34 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 6 sacks, 2 INT, 1 pass break up, 1 FF

DW- 56 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 2 sacks, 9 hurries, 1 FR

Their numbers are much better than Cody. I understand the reasons he gets the pub he does, but in my mind it is unwarranted. Just thought this was worth mentioning.

Big Dan's got a buttload of tackles

 

[BigPapaVol]

Cody isn't in a stats generating position. He's getting paid, literally, to absorb multiple blockers and play to a stalemate. He is why the linebackers look so good.

Berry is the best DB in the country and has no stats to show for it.
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[GirlDad12121]

Unfortunately, cascade, all these awards are given to the players of the best teams, for the most part. Last year when Malcolm Jenkins won the Jim Thorpe award, his numbers PAILED in comparison to Berry's. In fact, EB's numbers last year were better than Charles Woodson's numbers when he won the Heisman. ESPN also had a website set up where fans could vote on each of those awards (excluding the Heisman), and whichever athlete won the fan vote, that counted as 1 REAL vote for that player for the award. I setup a group on facebook dedicated to getting people to vote for EB, so I was on that ESPN website literally every day, at least twice a day. At no point after the first 10 days was EB losing, and he ended up winning by a landslide. However, when ESPN flashed the "ESPNU fan results" at the bottom of the screen, it said that Malcolm Jenkins won it. That day I lost what little respect I had left for ESPN. They 100% fabricated those results. If they only did it once or twice, I could understand, but for the entire evening they showed the same results of Jenkins winning the fan vote. I went to the website, and clear as day, EB had won by a landslide. These collegiate awards are a JOKE, end of story.

 

[Dudleys87]

Side note* We hate all things Crimson.

 

[jed]

This has been bothering me for a while and recently all the finalists for the awards came out. I am not saying either of these guys deserve to be on the list, but I thought it might make for an interesting debate none the less. Compare Cody's numbers to someone like Wes Brown.

TC- 22 tackles, 5 for loss, 0 sacks, 2 hurries, 1 pass break up, 2 blocked kicks (ouch)
WB- 16 tackles, 4 for loss, 2.5 sacks, 2 INT, 1 FR, 1 TD

Pretty comparable, yet Cody gets so much national hype because:
1. He is massive.
2. He plays for the number two team in the country.
3. Because he blocked 2 kicks against Tennessee.

Those do not qualify as good reasons in my opinion to be named one of the three best interior linemen (more less the Heisman Bama fans wanted to give him after the Tennessee game).

Now comparing to Wes is decent but how about two guys who get no love outside of this state, Chris Walker & Dan Williams.

CW- 34 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 6 sacks, 2 INT, 1 pass break up, 1 FF

DW- 56 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 2 sacks, 9 hurries, 1 FR

Their numbers are much better than Cody. I understand the reasons he gets the pub he does, but in my mind it is unwarranted. Just thought this was worth mentioning.

I would rather have Dan Williams any day. I will say this, their defense, as a whole, lives up to the hype. They are solid.

 

[GirlDad12121]

Actually I just found the website, surprised it's still up...Here it is (where you could vote last year).
Vote in The Home Depot ESPNU College Football Awards. - ESPN
Scroll down to the second from last, and that's the Jim Thorpe Award. It only lists partial stats for each player (b/c Mays/Jenkins would have been embarassed had all of their stats been compared to Berry's. Here are their stats from last season, taken from the Facebook Group.

-Eric Berry: SS, Tennessee, LEADS NATION with 7 interceptions, which have been returned for a total of 265 yards (just under 40/return, and 2 of them he has returned for TD's), 67 tackles (6.5 tackles for loss) and 3 sacks.

--Taylor Mays, S, USC: 46 tackles, 7 pass breakups, 0 (ZERO) interceptions, WHOOPITY-DO!!! (I'd also like to add that he got OWNED by an Oregon State player).

--Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio St: 57 tackles, 3 interceptions, 3 forced fumbles, 2 blocked kicks.

If you go to the ESPN website, you'll see that it clearly says: SportsNation's Pick: Eric Berry. However, during the awards ceremony, multiple times it ran the SportsNation fan vote at the bottom of the screen as : Berry-28%, Mays-33%, Jenkins-39%. And it didn't correct those numbers a single time. ESPN is garbage, and that will never change.

 

[UNAVol89]

Everyone that's not a Bama fan knows Terrence Cody is good, but not as good as Lundquist and Danielson make him out to be.

 

[Jeb]

Cody isn't in a stats generating position. He's getting paid, literally, to absorb multiple blockers and play to a stalemate. He is why the linebackers look so good.

Berry is the best DB in the country and has no stats to show for it.
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Yep. Beat me to it.

 

[vols_fan_68]

espn sux about as bad as bammer. cody is way overated imo. theses awards are a freaking joke, it should be awarded for individual achievement, not nothing to do with your team being 12-0

 

[TUSKtimes]

I would rather have Dan Williams any day. I will say this, their defense, as a whole, lives up to the hype. They are solid.

The defense lives up to the hype because Mt. Cody anchors the 3-4 defense.

If you don't have the big bulldozer in the middle, your better off in a 4 man front.

We have tackles too, and plenty of defensive ends.

Can't compare apples and oranges.

 

[jed]

The defense lives up to the hype because Mt. Cody anchors the 3-4 defense.

If you don't have the big bulldozer in the middle, your better off in a 4 man front.

We have tackles too, and plenty of defensive ends.

Can't compare apples and oranges.

Your defense lives up to the hype because you have great talent at almost every position, not because of Mt. Cody.

 

[vols_fan_68]

The defense lives up to the hype because Mt. Cody anchors the 3-4 defense.

If you don't have the big bulldozer in the middle, your better off in a 4 man front.

We have tackles too, and plenty of defensive ends.

Can't compare apples and oranges.

so you are pretty much saying without cody the bammer D would stink ? he only plays half the downs or 2\3 right ?

 

[TUSKtimes]

Your defense lives up to the hype because you have great talent at almost every position, not because of Mt. Cody.

There's no reason it's not both.

NFL scouts are projecting that everyone across the defensive line will play in the league.

Anyone that requires a double team, gives that team a huge advantage. Our LB's can clean up on the run, or they can send an extra man in coverage, or go get the QB.

 

[RollBamaRollBama]

Anyone that would not want TC on their roster is a fool...

Every coach wants a DT that takes up two blockers 90% of the time.

 

[hmanvolfan]

Side note* We hate all things Crimson.

Thank you. Not to mention, Mt. Cody can :biteme:

 

[GirlDad12121]

TUSKTimes is right. It's not unusual for some of the best Linemen to have some of the most least-impressive stats. I don't care how good a lineman is, on paper they're not going to look like they're doing much when they're getting constantly double-teamed. A good way of judging how effective a nose-guard is is by looking at the two inside linebackers. Their stats are largely due to the fact that the nose-guard is taking up two blockers, thereby freeing up a 'backer or 2 to go and make the play with minimal gain. Any team in the NFL that runs a 3-4 would salivate over having TC. In my earlier post, I was just showing how it doesn't always go to the best player for the award. I definitely think Cody should be one of the top few; stats don't always tell the story. Sometimes, but not always.

 

[bama_hater_too]

Side note* We hate all things Crimson.

+1....Definitely!!

 

[cascade11]

Bama guys are helping my point though. Why does a guy who takes up double teams & play 2/3 of the downs deserve the Outland or whatever he is up for?

New question for you Bama guys since Cody is so good. Is Relando McClain any good since his guys is always blocking Cody?

Was Gary Bertier good because Lastik took up blockers? I don't remember him being the all-american...

 

[BigPapaVol]

Bama guys are helping my point though. Why does a guy who takes up double teams & play 2/3 of the downs deserve the Outland or whatever he is up for?

New question for you Bama guys since Cody is so good. Is Relando McClain any good since his guys is always blocking Cody?

Was Gary Bertier good because Lastik took up blockers? I don't remember him being the all-american...

He will be getting no DL trophies. Suh will get all of those, among others.
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[cascade11]

TUSKTimes is right. It's not unusual for some of the best Linemen to have some of the most least-impressive stats. I don't care how good a lineman is, on paper they're not going to look like they're doing much when they're getting constantly double-teamed. A good way of judging how effective a nose-guard is is by looking at the two inside linebackers. Their stats are largely due to the fact that the nose-guard is taking up two blockers, thereby freeing up a 'backer or 2 to go and make the play with minimal gain. Any team in the NFL that runs a 3-4 would salivate over having TC. In my earlier post, I was just showing how it doesn't always go to the best player for the award. I definitely think Cody should be one of the top few; stats don't always tell the story. Sometimes, but not always.

I understand all that and I think Cody is good at taking up space, but I do not think because he does that he is deserving of the credit he gets.

No pass rush. He hardly plays on third downs. I know a lot of teams bring in speed guys to rush, but Cody has I think 2 QB hurries all year. He has no sacks. Not one! Yes, I would love to have him on my team, but I wouldn't trade Dan Williams for him. Dan Williams takes up space, requires double teams, yet still finds ways to get to the QB, and he is also one of the most agile DL and runs sideline to sideline better than any DL I have ever seen at UT (and there have been some good ones).

 

[cascade11]

He will be getting no DL trophies. Suh will get all of those, among others.
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So it doesn't matter who is up for the award since Suh is going to win??? :crazy:

I do agree Suh will win though, he is a beast. :good!:

 

[GirlDad12121]

I understand all that and I think Cody is good at taking up space, but I do not think because he does that he is deserving of the credit he gets.

No pass rush. He hardly plays on third downs. I know a lot of teams bring in speed guys to rush, but Cody has I think 2 QB hurries all year. He has no sacks. Not one! Yes, I would love to have him on my team, but I wouldn't trade Dan Williams for him. Dan Williams takes up space, requires double teams, yet still finds ways to get to the QB, and he is also one of the most agile DL and runs sideline to sideline better than any DL I have ever seen at UT (and there have been some good ones).

I respect your opinion, cascade. What you say is true, and doesn't necessarily contradict with what I'm saying. I said I think he should definitely be considered, I never said I think he should win it, though.

 

[GirlDad12121]

If UT's record was 11-1, 10-2, even 9-3, Dan Williams would probably get considered (it's a shame I have to say probably). That's why I hate ESPN so much. They're no different than the mainstream media--they both have agendas, and they make sure their reporting reflects that agenda.

If TC ends up winning it, those two BK's against UT will be what pushed him ahead of the other candidates.

All I know is that EB better win the Thorpe. He got screwed out of it last year as bad as Peyton got screwed out of the Heisman. At least Berry has another shot.

 

[cascade11]

I do not think Berry will or should win it this year. Should have won it last year though, which makes me think he might win it this year.

I just thought it was an interesting argument and you finally hit on the point I was hoping someone would and that is the blocked kicks.

Everyone in the SEC knew who Cody was, but when he blocked those two kicks against us he sprung onto the National scene. If he does win this award it is simply because his team is really good and he single hand (pun intended) won the game against Tennessee.