Term Limits

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McDad said:
I found a rough draft of the Democrat's bill:
We bring to a vote limiting the term of supreme court justices appointed by a Republican president to the amount of time necessary to elect a Democrat president to appoint replacement justices.
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And the media narrative: Not doing so is a threat to our democracy and people will die!!!
 
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utvolpj said:
Completely different branches of govt. The executive is all or nothing

but I don't care for that limit much either
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Fair enough I was curious as to the reasoning????? Wouldn't removing life long political people be a good thing and keep the people representing the citizens more in touch with those citizens..think of how many now are so far outta touch. That's IMO
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Fair enough I was curious as to the reasoning????? Wouldn't removing life long political people be a good thing and keep the people representing the citizens more in touch with those citizens..think of how many now are so far outta touch. That's IMO
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The system is designed so control comes from the governed. What term limits do is limit the ability of the governed to select their own reps and ask govt to control the choices of others (likely those they disagree with). More govt is not good govt
 
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utvolpj said:
The system is designed so control comes from the governed. What term limits do is limit the ability of the governed to select their own reps and ask govt to control the choices of others (likely those they disagree with). More govt is not good govt
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Would you say that the citizens have been in control recently??? IMO some of these that have been in these positions of representation for 30 plus years no longer represent their people just their own interests. So term limits can put a dent in controlling interests keeping the same people in positions of power. Maybe if there were limits, some areas would be different because their voters would feel disenfranchised when someone challenged entrenched politicians..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Would you say that the citizens have been in control recently??? IMO some of these that have been in these positions of representation for 30 plus years no longer represent their people just their own interests. So term limits can put a dent in controlling interests keeping the same people in positions of power. Maybe if there were limits, some areas would be different because their voters would feel disenfranchised when someone challenged entrenched politicians..
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Yes the voters are in control if they choose to be. It's how the system is built to work

You don't like the reps others choose so you want govt to get bigger and help get rid of them for you. You want more govt involvement to decide who is allowed to represent the interests of people in places you'll probably never even visit. It's quite authoritarian of you
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes the voters are in control if they choose to be. It's how the system is built to work

You don't like the reps others choose so you want govt to get bigger and help get rid of them for you. You want more govt involvement to decide who is allowed to represent the interests of people in places you'll probably never even visit. It's quite authoritarian of you
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by banning term limits you are likewise telling other people what they can and can't do with their votes. you are removing their option to vote on term limits.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Would you say that the citizens have been in control recently??? IMO some of these that have been in these positions of representation for 30 plus years no longer represent their people just their own interests. So term limits can put a dent in controlling interests keeping the same people in positions of power. Maybe if there were limits, some areas would be different because their voters would feel disenfranchised when someone challenged entrenched politicians..
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If someone has been in office for 30 years they must be doing something their constituents like.

Why would anyone advocate for the government to limit our choice of representation?
 
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hog88 said:
If someone has been in office for 30 years they must be doing something their constituents like.

Why would anyone advocate for the government to limit our choice of representation?
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its not the government limiting them. its their own actions that would limit them, which seems natural.

its not like this would require any one to run, yet alone consecutively up to whatever limit is established.
 
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LouderVol said:
its not the government limiting them. its their own actions that would limit them, which seems natural.

its not like this would require any one to run, yet alone consecutively up to whatever limit is established.
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Term limits do nothing but limit the choices voters have.
 
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LouderVol said:
by banning term limits you are likewise telling other people what they can and can't do with their votes. you are removing their option to vote on term limits.
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Don't believe I've ever said to ban them. I'm just pointing out that they increase govt and limit choices for voters. If that's your goal for society then by all means support them
 
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hog88 said:
Term limits do nothing but limit the choices voters have.
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Limited choices have always been a thing. for what its worth I don't think there is anything stopping you from continuing to vote for your guy even if he hits the limit.

just because you have a choice about something doesn't mean you will get it.

I have a right to keep and bear arms. It doesn't mean that there has to be a gun shop right around the corner with everything I want in it.
 
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utvolpj said:
Don't believe I've ever said to ban them. I'm just pointing out that they increase govt and limit choices for voters. If that's your goal for society then by all means support them
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I would argue the current system does far more to limit your choices than term limits ever could.

I mean I guess its new/different so its a decrease, but I don't see it as a morally/ethically wrong decrease.
 
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utvolpj said:
That's a terrible deal. I don't think I need you to tell me who I can or can't elect to represent me in govt
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Sorry you feel that way. You can still vote for the person that closely follows your values.

Career politicians are abhorrent and vote themselves benefits/pay the average American can only dream about.

These are the same Bozos that run things into the ground , refuse to do their job and compromise.

For goodness sake we have Dementia Joe in the Whitehouse, Dianne Feinstein was in the senate and Rep from Texas is in a nursing home.

We need new blood , new ideas every few years not dolts like Joe effin' Biden .

They have become celebrities .
 
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As a member of the Senate or House if you can't get your policies in place after 12 years or 6 years respectively, your not very good at representing the people that voted for you and should return to the public work force.
Let the next person take the baton.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
Sorry you feel that way. You can still vote for the person that closely follows your values.

Career politicians are abhorrent and vote themselves benefits/pay the average American can only dream about.

These are the same Bozos that run things into the ground , refuse to do their job and compromise.

For goodness sake we have Dementia Joe in the Whitehouse, Dianne Feinstein was in the senate and Rep from Texas is in a nursing home.

We need new blood , new ideas every few years not dolts like Joe effin' Biden .

They have become celebrities .
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IMO it would be better to make the job unattractive to people looking for a career.
 
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hog88 said:
IMO it would be better to make the job unattractive to people looking for a career.
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Drop the pension, no stock trading, no accepting gifts from lobbyists. They must use Obamacare. Dorms, no permanent residence in DC. Live in your district. Must have another job.

No working for media for two years after the end of your last term.
 
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