Term Limits for Congress

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05_never_again said:
Yep. I'm actually for term limits even though they wouldn't solve the problem.

Enacting term limits is like having a yard full of really tall weeds, but just taking your lawn mower out there and mowing the weeds every so often. It doesn't solve your problem.

We are in a catch 22 with government because the way to solve the problem is to elect people that will take various pieces/activities of the government, shut them down, and then reduce revenues (i.e., cut taxes) by the amount that the shuttered programs were using. The problem is that only people who want to be politicians run for the job, and nobody who wants the job is going to vote to remove their own power. The politicians who would do the best job are folks who want nothing to do with it.
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I disagree with your weed analogy. You are removing the weeds rather than just mowing them. Now another weed might take it's place, but there is also a chance that you could get a nice flower rather than the same old trash.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. I'm actually for term limits even though they wouldn't solve the problem.

Enacting term limits is like having a yard full of really tall weeds, but just taking your lawn mower out there and mowing the weeds every so often. It doesn't solve your problem.

We are in a catch 22 with government because the way to solve the problem is to elect people that will take various pieces/activities of the government, shut them down, and then reduce revenues (i.e., cut taxes) by the amount that the shuttered programs were using. The problem is that only people who want to be politicians run for the job, and nobody who wants the job is going to vote to remove their own power. The politicians who would do the best job are folks who want nothing to do with it.
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Until we get back to what was intended, a citizen with a duty, a calling, to volunteer and be a public servant, not politician, things won't change.

Get rid of the ability to enhance one's life from being in politics to a person who is ready to get back to their normal lives after serving.

Term limits, no ability to step back for 1 cycle and get back into it to run again, low pay, I think no benefits whatsoever, no perks, and most importantly, large tax free payments to turn in corruption and malfeasance. No ability to become a lobbyist after serving.

Take away all avenues of allowing politicians to make a career out of, and ability to enhance livelihood from, being a politician.

You said it, the people, the individuals who are currently serving do so with individual and personal gain above duty. We need good and incorruptible people in government, this is the problem. The only way to stop it is to take away all avenue's that allow these people to do as they do.
 
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LouderVol said:
fine with that. they are paid too much to do too little. if anything they need to be held to a higher judiciary standard than the rest of us. see if they keep passing laws. Like seriously assign a staff member who is their Mueller. their one job is to get their elected official arrested or busted.
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I’d pay them double to do less.

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."
-Mark Twain
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, didn't get anywhere last year, let's see them leave it in committee once again.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385534-trump-endorses-congressional-term-limits



And of course, WaPo already thinks it can't be done. (they are probably right)

President Trump wants term limits for Congress. They're still not going to happen. - The Washington Post
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Then this same logic should apply to the President and see how ASSHAT McConnell likes it. I live in KY and will vote for bozo before I vote for his ass.
 
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LouderVol said:
fine with that. they are paid too much to do too little. if anything they need to be held to a higher judiciary standard than the rest of us. see if they keep passing laws. Like seriously assign a staff member who is their Mueller. their one job is to get their elected official arrested or busted.
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There needs to be a new cabinet post. Secretary of Special Counsel of Congress to Hound Yo Ass!
 
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Septic said:
I've seen a couple of versions of Scotts ads ( I like the one with the whiteboard the besst). They're very convincing until you remember that there's no chance in hell of accomplishing this.

He could bring it up in committee and get laughed out of the room. He'd shrug and quickly become a swamp thing.
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Thus the "buzz phrase" reference........his ad is effective and I do see him winning.........NEVER said he, or anyone else in DC can get it changed.......
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
They all get a lobotomy after a year or so.
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If they weren't already there, people in politics certainly all go to the dark side within a year. Maybe eliminating the oldest and most corrupt with term limits would slow down the infection rate.

Probably have to sweep out staffers with the rest of the trash; headless bureaucracies can live forever as everybody should be realizing. In fact bureaucracies tend to continue doing their own thing regardless of who supposed to be running the show.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I would rather take $200 million and build a state of the art technological dormitory that they have to live in the entire time they are in DC. Make it comfortable, but take away their Georgetown brownstones. Curfews and locked doors will require them to be in every night. Prison you say? **** em. They are there to work.

Actually I agree with everything you say except the 90 day thing. They should be required to stay until they pass/turn down the legislation they are there for
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That last part is a good idea. It may be the only way to eliminate all the attachments that tend to delay passage. Of course, knowing congress they'd manage something new and crooked in that respect - magic sweeteners to balance the poison pills, and we'd just get more crap to pay for.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. I'm actually for term limits even though they wouldn't solve the problem.

Enacting term limits is like having a yard full of really tall weeds, but just taking your lawn mower out there and mowing the weeds every so often. It doesn't solve your problem.

We are in a catch 22 with government because the way to solve the problem is to elect people that will take various pieces/activities of the government, shut them down, and then reduce revenues (i.e., cut taxes) by the amount that the shuttered programs were using. The problem is that only people who want to be politicians run for the job, and nobody who wants the job is going to vote to remove their own power. The politicians who would do the best job are folks who want nothing to do with it.
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With every opponent looking for dirt on challengers and the press joining in the feeding frenzy, I can't see why any honest and decent person would want to run for political office. Nobody lives a perfect life, and there's always innuendo, allegations, and suppositions if they can't actually find something. The press have a lot to do with the swamp because their own bigotry and political bias have helped create and perpetuate it.
 
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Cocaine Mitch and the Swamp People sounds like a great band name.
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Presidential term limits were applied for obvious reasons. The same reasons apply to Senators and Congressmen. Doesn't need to be 2 terms but 4 maximum.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Any thoughts on repealing the 17th amendment?
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Disagree. There were very clear reasons why the 17th amendment needed to be passed. I'm all for term limits, as well as campaign finance reform, but regressing to Article I for senatorial appointment would introduce even more political cronyism.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
Disagree. There were very clear reasons why the 17th amendment needed to be passed. I'm all for term limits, as well as campaign finance reform, but regressing to Article I for senatorial appointment would introduce even more political cronyism.
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How so?
 
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The way the district lines are a joke.....It makes sure that incumbents win reelection over and over... Start there...
 
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Vol_Doc said:
Disagree. There were very clear reasons why the 17th amendment needed to be passed. I'm all for term limits, as well as campaign finance reform, but regressing to Article I for senatorial appointment would introduce even more political cronyism.
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Campaign finance reform. Interesting. What could be done to stop people from Soros from dumping millions into a campaign? The ink wouldn't be dry on the legislation and he would have teams of lawyers sharpshooting it. Nothing will change for the big money men.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Campaign finance reform. Interesting. What could be done to stop people from Soros from dumping millions into a campaign? The ink wouldn't be dry on the legislation and he would have teams of lawyers sharpshooting it. Nothing will change for the big money men.
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But Soros is DIFFERENT! It's OKAY as long as I agree with whatever they are promoting.
 
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