Tennessee's Population (the recruiting excuse)

#26
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holdemvol said:
I just don't understand where you are coming from. Since when was recruiting a problem at UT? Yes, there have been a few big names leave the state over the years but the high profie players UT has pulled in from other states outweighs what they lost in state BY FAR.
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I never said Tennessee has had a problem with recruiting. :ermm:

As I said earlier, I'm saying that the excuse some make whenever a coaching change is brough up is that the next coach that comes into replace Fulmer won't be able to recruit as well as Fulmer. I think that is bogus... and yes you are right, when has Tennessee had a problem recruiting? That is my point. That is the reason why I'm sick of the excuses about Tennessee being considered a small state... or that very few other coaches that come in will be able to have similar recruiting success.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Tennessee - 17th in population (6,038,803)
Alabama - 23rd in population (4,599,030)
South Carolina - 24th in population (4,321,249)
Louisiana - 25th in population (4,287,768)

Nobody can use the excuse that we are a small state when Bama, Lousiana, and South Carolina produce football players all of the time.
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Alabama, South Carolina, and Louisiana each has a higher percentage of african american residents than Tennessee. The majority of SEC football players are african american. Perhaps that, along with total population, should be considered when discussing a state's production of D1 athletes.

That said, I've never been concerned with how many players Tennessee produces. UT is one of those schools that will always be able to recruit nationally because of its stadium, facilities, fan support, and tradition.
 
#30
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BigPapaVol said:
and if we're expecting any coach to keep all great TN talent in state, we're going to fire every one of them shortly after arrival
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Nobody is being that unreasonable as to demand we keep all of the great in state talent. Your just trying to be facetious. Just saying that we need to do a better job of keeping the mid-level/3 star players in state. We've drop the ball on that while Auburn, Bama and others come in and find the nuggets that we castaway...
 
#31
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Nobody is being that unreasonable as to demand we keep all of the great in state talent. Your just trying to be facetious. Just saying that we need to do a better job of keeping the mid-level/3 star players in state. We've drop the ball on that while Auburn, Bama and others come in and find the nuggets that we castaway...
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I find nothing defensible in your argument.
 
#32
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Nobody is being that unreasonable as to demand we keep all of the great in state talent. Your just trying to be facetious. Just saying that we need to do a better job of keeping the mid-level/3 star players in state. We've drop the ball on that while Auburn, Bama and others come in and find the nuggets that we castaway...
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Ole Miss got the biggest nugget. Auburn gets a few guys from MBA and BGA. Personally I think you're blowing it a little out of proportion
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Alabama, South Carolina, and Louisiana each has a higher percentage of african american residents than Tennessee. The majority of SEC football players are african american. Perhaps that, along with total population, should be considered when discussing a state's production of D1 athletes.
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:birgits_giggle:

Now you have put your finger on something. Which is why I say that we need to do a better job in Memphis/west Tennessee and middle Tennessee...
 
#35
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lacrossepro70 said:
Yeah and we have that. Ryan Karl is a perfect example. And you don't "fill" your roster with role players. You can't assume that just because someone is in-state that they'll, as you put it "bleed orange" or visa versa. Peyton Manning bleeds orange more than anyone and he's from Mississippi.
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No, he's not.
 
#36
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Tennessee - 17th in population (6,038,803)
Alabama - 23rd in population (4,599,030)
South Carolina - 24th in population (4,321,249)
Louisiana - 25th in population (4,287,768)

Nobody can use the excuse that we are a small state when Bama, Lousiana, and South Carolina produce football players all of the time.
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i've heard it stated over and over by the "experts" that TN does not produce as many talented players annually as neighboring states because of 1) population and 2) lack of middle school football. so TN has to rely on out of state talent (and recruiting) more than AL, FL, GA, LA.

looking at the relative populations is one way to challenge this assumption, but i think a better way might be to add up the total number of quality (say, 3 star and above) recruits coming out of each state.
 
#37
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm never going to waste your time. You have choices. Should you choose to read what I've said, you are wasting your own time, which I would consider senseless. Given what I've read from you, I'd keep reading my stuff and less of what you have been reading to this point. Lastly, basicly is not a word.
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Board NAZI????
 
#39
#39
Oh, population = good high school football players. Why had I not thought of that before? I am glad you opened my mind with this thread Rasputin. Oh wait, no, my mistake, this thread is as ridiculous as all your other posts. If you want to try to make "this point" then research and provide the number of D-1 college football players that have come out of each of these states in the last 5 years. That stat would actually MEAN SOMETHING.
 
#40
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therickbol said:
Oh, population = good high school football players. Why had I not thought of that before? I am glad you opened my mind with this thread Rasputin.
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If you would actually use some reading comprehension skills, you would see that I am not making the argument that population = good high school players.

In fact, I am debunking that myth by pointing out the fact that Tennessee has a higher population than Bama, SC, and La. The people that make that claim are the ones that defend Fulmer and say that no other recruiter could come in and do the same job. The main argument they use is that "Tennessee is a small state with a small recruiting base".

Again, I'm not saying that there are 5 star players on every block, but I am challenging some of these clowns that argue the reason why Tennessee doesn't have a lot of Div-I prospects is because it is a small state population wise.
 
#43
#43
so, what's the population of nebraska? they seem to turn out pretty good football teams year in and year out.

p.s.: maybe its the weather that attracts the athletes to them.
 
#44
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arkyvol said:
so, what's the population of nebraska? they seem to turn out pretty good football teams year in and year out.

p.s.: maybe its the weather that attracts the athletes to them.
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winter in nebraska sucks...

of course, they haven't been pretty good in awhile either
 
#45
#45
The way I heard it from some middle tennessee hs people is that when Majors was around they had pretty good communication w/ UT, but after Fulmer's 5th year they wouldn't return calls to anyone but BGA & MBA. I am amazed they took Coker from Antioch. I don't see much coming out of West TN like it did when I was young. Jackson, Milan, Millington and Memphis use to be breeding grounds for players. Maybe they are going to Martin, or Memphis, or ole Miss, etc. I know of a couple at Arkansas.
 
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