Tennessee's Defensive Line Proves Vols Are Title Contenders from Week 1

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depth...? It all comes down to Butch getting his guys MOTIVATED! 18-20 year old men, if they were not good I would have to imagine they would not be here, he must MOTIVATE these Men to Win.:D
 
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FTCvol said:
Depth here is my concern.
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Kahlil, Vickers, O'Brien, Kongbo, Picou, Bain; with Tuttle ahead of schedule, and A. Johnson joining our workouts about the same time as LSU's JUCO DT Valentine joined their workouts (and he's already in their 2-deep).

Our DE position is even deeper than this.

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I read in one of the other threads one of our national critics outlining where our DL may not be all that we may think it is. Looking back at our stats for 2015, our total rush defense gave up 4.19 yds per rush on average for total games. That came out to where we gave up >151 yds per game rushing. That's not all that great especially for an SEC defense. I like to think Maggitt's injury, our early search for a MLB, as well as Jancek all had something to do with this. We did play effective rushing D against Bama as we out rushed them overall, no small feat with Henry in the backfield. That said I really expect our run defense to be massively better with Shoop and some of our younger kids now having a year's experience in the SEC behind them, BUT, they have to do it, just showing up won't get it done! GBO!
cfbstats.com - 2015 Tennessee Volunteers Rushing Defense Split Stats
 
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Remy said:
I read in one of the other threads one of our national critics outlining where our DL may not be all that we may think it is. Looking back at our stats for 2015, our total rush defense gave up 4.19 yds per rush on average for total games. That came out to where we gave up >151 yds per game rushing. That's not all that great especially for an SEC defense. I like to think Maggitt's injury, our early search for a MLB, as well as Jancek all had something to do with this. We did play effective rushing D against Bama as we out rushed them overall, no small feat with Henry in the backfield. That said I really expect our run defense to be massively better with Shoop and some of our younger kids now having a year's experience in the SEC behind them, BUT, they have to do it, just showing up won't get it done! GBO!
cfbstats.com - 2015 Tennessee Volunteers Rushing Defense Split Stats
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Take your facts and logic and hit the door.
 
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Remy said:
I read in one of the other threads one of our national critics outlining where our DL may not be all that we may think it is. Looking back at our stats for 2015, our total rush defense gave up 4.19 yds per rush on average for total games. That came out to where we gave up >151 yds per game rushing. That's not all that great especially for an SEC defense. I like to think Maggitt's injury, our early search for a MLB, as well as Jancek all had something to do with this. We did play effective rushing D against Bama as we out rushed them overall, no small feat with Henry in the backfield. That said I really expect our run defense to be massively better with Shoop and some of our younger kids now having a year's experience in the SEC behind them, BUT, they have to do it, just showing up won't get it done! GBO!
cfbstats.com - 2015 Tennessee Volunteers Rushing Defense Split Stats
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:lolabove:So you just stated that UT's D line wasn't all that hot last year...then you back up and suggest maybe they weren't to blame for the not-too-stellar stats you quoted due to Jancek's coaching and LB woes. Right?:loco: Then you declared with righteous indignity "Just showing up won't get it done." Really? :birgits_giggle: Do you think CBJ or Shoop aren't lighting a fire under the tails of these clearly motivated young men? I agree with KS that you should take your facts and logic and hit the door.:bad:
 
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FTCvol said:
Depth here is my concern.
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Depth is not an issue unless we lose several players at DT. We have so many options with diffrent schemes under Shoop. We can play big, we can play small, we can rush, and we can stuff. You will see the cheetah package a lot.
 
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Remy said:
I read in one of the other threads one of our national critics outlining where our DL may not be all that we may think it is. Looking back at our stats for 2015, our total rush defense gave up 4.19 yds per rush on average for total games. That came out to where we gave up >151 yds per game rushing. That's not all that great especially for an SEC defense. I like to think Maggitt's injury, our early search for a MLB, as well as Jancek all had something to do with this. We did play effective rushing D against Bama as we out rushed them overall, no small feat with Henry in the backfield. That said I really expect our run defense to be massively better with Shoop and some of our younger kids now having a year's experience in the SEC behind them, BUT, they have to do it, just showing up won't get it done! GBO!
cfbstats.com - 2015 Tennessee Volunteers Rushing Defense Split Stats
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You are right, Remy, just tell them we are talking about the 2016 DL, not the 2015 DL, when Kahlil, Tuttle, and Picou were true freshmen, and Kongbo, Bain and Johnson weren't even here. They might just be two different things.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
I'm confused ... I thought we were talking about the 2016 DL, not the 2015 DL, when Kahlil, Tuttle, and Picou were true freshmen, and Kongbo, Bain and Johnson weren't even here. They might just be two different things?
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This is logic.

The other post is not.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
You are right, Remy, just tell them we are talking about the 2016 DL, not the 2015 DL, when Kahlil, Tuttle, and Picou were true freshmen, and Kongbo, Bain and Johnson weren't even here. They might just be two different things.
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He also forgot to add that Tuttle and Phillips missed over half the year.... Totally different deal this year
 
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So what's the take on week1 sack totals from our D? Rush yards allowed? Passing yardage? What do you need to see week 1 defensive performance to say "WOW"? Just better than last yrs performance week1 or what say you?!?! GO VOLS!
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
You are right, Remy, just tell them we are talking about the 2016 DL, not the 2015 DL, when Kahlil, Tuttle, and Picou were true freshmen, and Kongbo, Bain and Johnson weren't even here. They might just be two different things.
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LOL at everyone that keeps putting Bain in their list of D tackles. Kid is a walk on. Just bc he is getting a lot of hype on here (which started due to his team picture) doesn't mean he should ever see meaningful snaps against SEC teams. Listing him highlights how thin our D tackle rotation is.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
You are right, Remy, just tell them we are talking about the 2016 DL, not the 2015 DL, when Kahlil, Tuttle, and Picou were true freshmen, and Kongbo, Bain and Johnson weren't even here. They might just be two different things.
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The TRUE difference maker.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Kahlil, Vickers, O'Brien, Kongbo, Picou, Bain; with Tuttle ahead of schedule, and A. Johnson joining our workouts about the same time LSU's JUCO DT Valentine joined their workouts (and he's already in their 2-deep).

Our DE position is even deeper than this.

:question:
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It isn't the DE line depth. It is the tackle depth. I don't like to say names specifically but it is the biggest concern. However, Shoop has acknowledged it and will make adjustments.
 
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Steve Stripling sees advantages of UT having depleted defensive line for spring

Interesting to see where we were at last off season with the same position. Vickers first year at DT, our two best DT having not even played a down, obrien clearly unfocused given his early season suspension, Picou not even in the discussion (and nothing behind him either). Only guy not here is Owen Williams. We're definitely better off this time around, at least we have a solid 2 deep
 
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Evet Vols said:
It isn't the DE line depth. It is the tackle depth. I don't like to say names specifically but it is the biggest concern. However, Shoop has acknowledged it and will make adjustments.
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Well, I was replying to a post that said DL depth.

Having said that, the 8 names I gave will be playing DT for us, with Kongbo practicing so far at both DT and DE.

Just a couple seasons ago, we won 7 games using just 3 guys at DT all year. We now have quite a few more than that. :hi:
 
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sameolvol said:
:lolabove:So you just stated that UT's D line wasn't all that hot last year...then you back up and suggest maybe they weren't to blame for the not-too-stellar stats you quoted due to Jancek's coaching and LB woes. Right?:loco: Then you declared with righteous indignity "Just showing up won't get it done." Really? :birgits_giggle: Do you think CBJ or Shoop aren't lighting a fire under the tails of these clearly motivated young men? I agree with KS that you should take your facts and logic and hit the door.:bad:
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My point may have been missed by you. The point was our rush defense last year was not all that hot, that's not subjective, that's simply the numbers. My expectations are with the talent we have, and Shoop's declaration "nobody will run on Tennessee," that I expect team 120's rush defense to be one of the better ones in the SEC as well the nation. Tilt at other windmills or seek professional help, makes no difference to me man, you ain't feedin', freakin', or financin' me, hang out with someone who cares.
 
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jpope9 said:
depth on the dline is not a concern for us, we are thin at linebacker however.
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I think inexperienced may be a better word to describe our linebacker situation. That inexperience is due to us having two absolute beasts filling two of the linebacker spots. Looking at the linebackers we have on the roster, I feel alright about it:

JRM 6'0 230lb SR
DKJr 6'1 230lb SO
Bynum 6'1 235lb RS SR

Sapp 6'2 220lb RS FR
Jumper 6'2 224lb JR
McDowell 6'0 235 lb JR

Bates 6'3 220lb RS SO
Bituli 6'3 235lb FR
Bryant 6'0 238lb RS SO

Definitely a lot of inexperience, but there's a lot of talent there. I think that could be one of the stronger groups if guys like Sapp, Bates and Bituli come around (not going to even address the Jumper issue since Shoop has given him a vote of confidence :))
 
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DT is thin, but talented. DE is deeeep, and i still think we'll see some kongbo on the interior.

i think Shoop is the difference maker. how much impact will he have on what this year's D does in comparison to last year's? i think a lot.

the other thing to consider is that our offense won't (i hope) have to protect the defense as much as it did last year. while we're not a full 10 deep on the D line, we're deeper and more experienced than last year. i think that helps loose things up on the offense to be honest, b/c i think there'll be a lot of faith in the defense to come up big.
 
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Honestly, Shoop has a fast, talented line, including some DEs that can move inside to be disruptive. He's done a whole lot with Vandy and Penn St-level talent.

What the heck is he going to do with our guys? I'm beyond excited to see this defense. 5 sacks per game! Let's do it!
 
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