Tennessee's 1 Chance for a National Title under Butch Jones is 2016.

[NYCVol]

With recruiting taking a massive slide for 2016. Butch's only chance at a national title at tennessee is in 2016. 2017 will be a 8-9 win season. and we will settle for those every year after that. legacy players made the last two recruiting classes all world.

Could you post a pic of your Legion of the Miserable membership card on here? I've never seen one before.

 

[UTC Vol Fan]

After reading the crap that some Ole Miss fans are posting over on SEC rant i'm not sure I won't be pulling for Bama when they play Ole Miss from now on.

Maybe with a little luck they can get that 10 win regular season this year.

 

[mattlock3tt]

I'd rather Bama beat Ole Miss and we give them the knockout blow in ATL.

 

[GBO97]

After reading the crap that some Ole Miss fans are posting over on SEC rant i'm not sure I won't be pulling for Bama when they play Ole Miss from now on.

Maybe with a little luck they can get that 10 win regular season this year.

I'm on the SEC rant (with a different screen name) and after seeing what a few of those moron Ole Miss fans have been posting there lately, I threw up in my mouth upon reading this thread title.

I'd much rather have it be us and LSU.

 

[KBVol]

I don't think he would be fired with a 9-4 season. Just that he should be if those losses include Florida and Alabama.

I understand, and I'm certainly not trying to lower expectations for next year, just giving my opinion about the job security that Jones enjoys right now. Also, if we lose 4 games again next year, you can make book on the fact that 2 of those losses will unquestionably be to Florida and Bama. As a matter of fact, if we only lose 2 games next year, they'll likely be to Florida and Bama.

 

[Rockytoptn83]

OP, have several seats.

 

[He_Made_It]

We clearly disagree on the simple math. The team he has right now, in 2016, is virtually 100% his...including some of the best players on the team, from the 2013 class. In 2018 he will have already graduated 2 full recruiting classes. If you want to discuss theory, that's fine...but it's just not reality.

Virtually, sure. But still not up to the peak it will be in two years.

In 2018, CBJ will have graduated part of one full recruiting class (2014). There will be some 5th yr SR's from that group.

Team 122 will have:

RS SR - 2014 class
SR & RS Jr - 2015 class
JR & RS So - 2016 class
SO & RS FR - 2017 class
True FR - 2018 class

Team 120 will have:

RS SR - 2012 class
SR & RS JR - 2013 class
JR & RS SO - 2014 class
SO & RS FR - 2015 class
True FR - 2016 class

Which 3rd to 5th year player group is the strongest?

 

[JwolfeVFL]

Of course I count 2013.... do you count Josh Dobbs, Josh Smith, Kendal Vickers, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Corey Vereen, Brett Kendrick, Cam Sutton, Dylan Wiesman and Malik Foreman? I do. And that class had more signees than this class will likely have.

We're going to be a senior and junior laden team next year in part due to the 2013 and 2014 classes. The guys from the historic "Legacy Class of 2014 will all be in their 3rd full year of the program. Add these names to the ones I listed above....Josh Malone, Jalen Hurd, TKJr, Dillon Bates, Cortez McDowell, Derek Barnett, Gavin Bryant, Evan and Elliot Berry, Ethan Wolf, Rashaan Gaulden, Jashon Robertson, Dimarya Mixon, Coleman Thomas, Emmanuel Moseley, Aaron Medley, Jakob Johnson, Charles Mosley.....do I need to add the 2015 class here? Guys like Alvin Kamara, Kahlil Mckenzie, Jack Jones, Shy Tuttle, Chance Hall, Preston Williams, Justin Martin, Darrin Kirkland, etc, etc.....

The picture is beyond clear. The roster is chock full of Jones' players already, primarily because he came in with the idea/philosophy of turning over a very bad roster as quickly as he could. And he's done a masterful job doing just that. Those are his players, it's his team already....he certainly doesn't need 2 or 3 more classes to make it so.

This all day long. CBJ's style of player and philosophy has already been ingrained into the program. As long as he stays loyal we should be competing year in and year out.

 

[VolsnRavens]

Holy crap, what's with the negativity.

 

[jarhead]

I truly believe that some people start outlandish, dumb-arse threads because they are lonely and need attention. At their core they feel that any attention, whether good or bad, is better than none.

Of course this is JMHO.

 

[BigOrange04]

With recruiting taking a massive slide for 2016. Butch's only chance at a national title at tennessee is in 2016. 2017 will be a 8-9 win season. and we will settle for those every year after that. legacy players made the last two recruiting classes all world.

I hope this was a ******* joke! We are likely going to end up with a Top 15 class only signing 20 or 21 guys. Our star average per recruit will be Top 10 in the nation. Next years recruiting class will be another top 5 class. Butch isn't building a damn 1 hit wonder! He is building a program that competes year in and year out for Sec titles. If you win sec titles guess what comes after that.

 

[KBVol]

Virtually, sure. But still not up to the peak it will be in two years.

In 2018, CBJ will have graduated part of one full recruiting class (2014). There will be some 5th yr SR's from that group.

Team 122 will have:

RS SR - 2014 class
SR & RS Jr - 2015 class
JR & RS So - 2016 class
SO & RS FR - 2017 class
True FR - 2018 class

Team 120 will have:

RS SR - 2012 class
SR & RS JR - 2013 class
JR & RS SO - 2014 class
SO & RS FR - 2015 class
True FR - 2016 class

Which 3rd to 5th year player group is the strongest?

So, despite bringing in 83 new scholarship players in his first 3 classes, 2013, 2014 and 2015....he needs 3 more full recruiting classes before its "his roster"?? Lol. As I mentioned earlier, when the 2018 season rolls around, he will have already graduated 2 full recruiting classes and will have just signed his SIXTH recruiting class.....SIXTH! Are you really gonna continue to argue it'll take until then before he has all "his players"?

Also, when I say he had "virtually all his players last year", this is what I mean...... he recruited:

-4 of 5 qbs (holder Ashford being the "5th QB")
-6 of 6 RBs
-6 of 7 TEs (Stocstill being the "7th TE)
-14 of 16 WRs (Croom who didn't play in '15 & Blanc who had 1 catch for 10 yds being the 2)
-16 of 19 OLs (1 of which was Jackson who didn't play in '15)

-3 of 3 punters
-4 of 5 kickers (Bullock, who kicked 1 xp being the 5th)

-13 of 16 DBs
-17 of 20 DLs (Saulsberry didn't play in '15; Maggitt 2+ gms only)
-13 of 13 LBs

In summary, 91 of 110 players (schollies & walkons) on the roster 2015 belonged to Jones....83% of the players
were signed by Jones.

Finally, let's take it a step further...Jones' signees were responsible for:

100% of the passing yds and TDs
100% of the rushing yds and TDs
100% of the RB receptions, yds and TDs
99.2% of WR receptions, 98.9% of WR yards & 100% of WR TDs
73.3% of TE receptions, 71.3% of TE yds, 100% of TE TDs

82.7% of defensive and special teams tackles
93% of sacks
87.8% of tackles for loss
83.3% of interceptions
85.7% of fumble recoveries

98.9% of kick return yards & 100% of kick return TDs
100% of punt return yds & punt return TDs

100% of punts & punt yards
98.2% of extra points made
100% of fgs attempted & made

99.7% of all points scored.

Still think it's gonna take until 2018 before Jones has a roster full of his players?

 

[JohnnyBall]

Because a roster always has a total of 5 recruiting classes.

2013 was not a full recruiting class for CBJ, he was hired a couple months before NSD.

2014 - RS SR
2015 - SR/RS JR
2016 - JR/RS SO
2017 - SO/RS FR
2018 - FR

2018 will be the first full "Butch roster".

This is horse****. And likely part of the "6 or 7" years to build a championship team double talk being used to explain away bad coaching in 2015.Buy this as an excuse for 8-4 last season,this season and next if you want. He isn't getting 7 years to build a roster that is "his".

 

[emzeeee]

This is horse****. And likely part of the "6 or 7" years to build a championship team double talk being used to explain away bad coaching in 2015.Buy this as an excuse for 8-4 last season,this season and next if you want. He isn't getting 7 years to build a roster that is "his".

Not really. He didn't use it as an excuse. As far as the roster being "all his", it's literally the truth. It has little bearing on wins at this point, but it's still true. Christ on a cracker, people on this board are never happy.

 

[jbr82]

I remember as I teenager I thought TN was going to drop big time after Peyton left.

 

[JohnnyBall]

Butch Jones and his protectors have an annoying habit that are becoming too common.

Defending things that might happen in the future by bringing up things that happened "not on their watch".

This staff ran off every Dooley player that didn't get injured by the middle of last season. It's a fact. Can't use that in the argument.

That combined with recruiting around 90 players including transfersin 3 cycles nullifies this "not my roster " bull****.

Yeah, I'm happy... Ill forgive his horrible coaching in 3 different losses assume it wont happen again,and I fully expect 10 wins plus Beating Alabama and anSECCG this season.

Sorry if I'm in a bigger hurry than most.

 

[ImportedVoL]

It is January and we already have people going for DPOTY awards.

While I am sure someone will beat this thread before the year is over. This thread will at the very least earn honorable mentions.

Those Legacy classes OP mentions are not even seniors this season, yet this year will be our last chance. Doesn't even make sense using the OP's own logic.

 

[emzeeee]

Yeah, I'm happy... Ill forgive his horrible coaching in 3 different losses assume it wont happen again,and I fully expect 10 wins plus Beating Alabama and anSECCG this season.

Sorry if I'm in a bigger hurry than most.

You can be in as big of a hurry as you want. Still doesn't change ****. Or make you any form of important, whatsoever.

 

[ImportedVoL]

This is horse****. And likely part of the "6 or 7" years to build a championship team double talk being used to explain away bad coaching in 2015.Buy this as an excuse for 8-4 last season,this season and next if you want. He isn't getting 7 years to build a roster that is "his".

He took the youngest team in CFB and went 8-4 in the SEC and completely destroyed the #12 team in the nation in the Bowl game.

You people and your bad coaching arguments are smoking crack...just because you want it to be true, does not make it true.

Take your Nega krap somewhere else..it is not wanted or warranted when we are on the precipice of finally being back after the idiots ran off our HOF coach.

Why you try so hard to bring everyone else into your pit of despair is truly disturbing...you need a therapist.

Now stfu and go away.

 

[2ez2dv8]

Gets a pass on 2013 due to the circumstances but 2018? Nah. 2017 roster technically may not be 100% Jones' but the rotation is.

 

[chargervol]

Yeah, I'm happy... Ill forgive his horrible coaching in 3 different losses assume it wont happen again,and I fully expect 10 wins plus Beating Alabama and anSECCG this season.

Sorry if I'm in a bigger hurry than most.

I like to make sure that I'm understanding peoples meaning.

Are you saying that you "EXPECT" to beat the national champions to end a statement where you were bashing the person that gave any hope for this even being possible?

Just asking.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Gets a pass on 2013 due to the circumstances but 2018? Nah. 2017 roster technically may not be 100% Jones' but the rotation is.

Yes, I honestly don't get this fascination with who originally signed which players.

There are seven guys left who did not join the team while Butch was head coach, all red shirt seniors. Four are in the two-deep: Jason Croom, LaTroy Lewis, Danny O'Brien, and Kenny Bynum. Two of the other three play extensively on special teams and in reserve roles at their positions: Cody Blanc and Joe Stocstill. The final one, Charles Folger, hasn't played much to date..

And that's it.

So to say that this team is 100% Butch's is, technically, wrong. To say that the two deep, or even the starters, are 100% Butch's recruits, that's wrong too.

But really, what does it matter? These fellows have all been with the program four years already, three of them since Butch arrived. If they weren't initially "Butch guys," they are now. If they weren't committed to him, his values, and his direction for the program, they'dd have left long ago. Likewise, if he weren't committed to them being on the team, they wouldn't be.

So forget the idea of a new coach in transition. That's a thing of the past for Butch Jones at Tennessee.

Go Vols!



p.s. This has all been about the 2016 team, Team 120. The 2017 squad is 100% Butch signees, period.

 

[KBVol]

He took the youngest team in CFB and went 8-4 in the SEC and completely destroyed the #12 team in the nation in the Bowl game.

You people and your bad coaching arguments are smoking crack...just because you want it to be true, does not make it true.

Take your Nega krap somewhere else..it is not wanted or warranted when we are on the precipice of finally being back after the idiots ran off our HOF coach.

Why you try so hard to bring everyone else into your pit of despair is truly disturbing...you need a therapist.

Now stfu and go away.

Youngest team in the CFB last year? Can you document that? I doubt that was true. Junior QB, third year RB, RSSr TE, RSSr LT, Sr WR, 3rd year WR, Sr WR, RSSr and Sr safeties, Jr CB, Jr LB, Sr DT, 4th yr DT, 3rd yr DT. We played 18-19 freshmen....Clemson played 27 iirc. Unless you can prove me wrong with some documentation that says otherwise, I'm calling BS on your "youngest team in CFB" statement.

 

[Wylo]

Youngest team in the CFB last year? Can you document that? I doubt that was true. Junior QB, third year RB, RSSr TE, RSSr LT, Sr WR, 3rd year WR, Sr WR, RSSr and Sr safeties, Jr CB, Jr LB, Sr DT, 4th yr DT, 3rd yr DT. We played 18-19 freshmen....Clemson played 27 iirc. Unless you can prove me wrong with some documentation that says otherwise, I'm calling BS on your "youngest team in CFB" statement.

There is no chance that Tennessee had the youngest team in cfb. That is the happy excuse these guys like to use.

 

[KBVol]

There is no chance that Tennessee had the youngest team in cfb. That is the happy excuse these guys like to use.

Found this from Twitter last year, Oct 5, 2015, from Sport Source Analytics.....

Top 5 youngest FBS teams as rated byaverage age (class) of players seeing the playing field: #NCState #Hoosiers #Hurricanes #Wake and #Vandy

So....
1. North Carolina St
2. Indiana
3. Miami
4. Wake Forest
5. Vandie