Tennessee will soon pull away from the pack

#51
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
This is the dumbest response....yeah those facts are false...don't believe those...opinions are much more realistic...wow guy. You are a piece of work. And Dan Mullen...would have this team rolling with this talent level...just like he had Florida's offense rolling when he was with Urban Meyer.
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You didn't answer my question.
 
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JoAllan said:
3 Pac titles with 1 North title
10-3
12-1
12-2
12-1
averaged 45+
gave up average 20-22
2010 coach of the year
2012 coach of the year
2 Rose Bowls, 1 BCS championship game, 1 Fiesta game

YEA.....I would take that and lose 2 scholarships over two years (one each). Also I would not even worry about probation, one person who Oregon had hired messed stuff up......and it was huge deal at all.

From CSN Philly News:

"As the NCAA made clear, Kelly committed none of the violations himself. His résumé may be smudged, but his hands are clean. Any athletic director who reads the infractions case will be able to go to his president and trustees and make a case for Kelly"

"Chip Kelly met the NCAA announcement that it had banned him from college football for 18 months with characteristic straightforwardness. He didn't make excuses. He didn't blame someone else, even as the NCAA made clear that Kelly had been unaware"

Also I have researched and found out what happened.

That entire deal was: A recruiting service (which most teams use.....just not that one anymore) provided one recruit with room and board and spending cash (less than $200) while he was on an evaluation visit to that service. The "player" became an Oregon recruit.

Basically one guy from a recruiting service was doing wrong, and people at Oregon was using that guy. Chip and Oregon should have been more careful with the recruiting services and people they used.
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Dude these are facts...proven knowledge...he won't buy it. He's a settler. 8-4 is just fine forever...damn if a proven hit shot HC could bring 2-3 more wins easily each year...maybe Butch will in 4 more years...who knows :dunno:
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
You didn't answer my question.
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Hell no he isn't. With his big time recruiting classes our athletes should flat out dominate lesser opponents. Not lose to South Carolina and Vandy....struggle with North Texas and UMass...hell he couldn't motivate his players when he was given a 2nd shot for the East then a shot at the Sugar Bowl.....Webster's Dictionary should have a picture of Butch Jones next to the definition of "UNDERACHIEVER" see also "Lyle Butch Jones."
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Hell no he isn't. With his big time recruiting classes our athletes should flat out dominate lesser opponents. Not lose to South Carolina and Vandy....struggle with North Texas and UMass...hell he couldn't motivate his players when he was given a 2nd shot for the East then a shot at the Sugar Bowl.....Webster's Dictionary should have a picture of Butch Jones next to the definition of "UNDERACHIEVER" see also "Lyle Butch Jones."
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Yeah funny stuff there.


We do have 17 injuries as of right now heading in to the GA game. Do you consider that putting us down more on Miss St level since we're like an NFL team compared to them in your words?
 
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#57
Last time I checked UT was still part of the SEC, we sadly have posters that are confusing a win against UMASS as being equal to an SEC victory. They are also confused about winning the SECE or the SEC or the NC. It is a shame how far the Vol Fans expectations have fallen-far too many would be happy with an eight win season and some middle of the road bowl, they wouldn't be too upset with a seven win season, as long as we go to any "Participation trophy" type bowl.
We can't be in a building year forever, jones must run out of bricks sooner or later, we can't keep moving the right direction forever (or we'll return to the sport from which we started), we can count on our will to win-without coaching to win, forever! Sooner or later jones must either, deliver or leave, I don't see him delivering Vol quality- therefore; the sooner he leaves the sooner we can find a man that can and will do the job.
 
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JoAllan said:
3 Pac titles with 1 North title
10-3
12-1
12-2
12-1
averaged 45+
gave up average 20-22
2010 coach of the year
2012 coach of the year
2 Rose Bowls, 1 BCS championship game, 1 Fiesta game

YEA.....I would take that and lose 2 scholarships over two years (one each). Also I would not even worry about probation, one person who Oregon had hired messed stuff up......and it was huge deal at all.

From CSN Philly News:

"As the NCAA made clear, Kelly committed none of the violations himself. His résumé may be smudged, but his hands are clean. Any athletic director who reads the infractions case will be able to go to his president and trustees and make a case for Kelly"

"Chip Kelly met the NCAA announcement that it had banned him from college football for 18 months with characteristic straightforwardness. He didn't make excuses. He didn't blame someone else, even as the NCAA made clear that Kelly had been unaware"

Also I have researched and found out what happened.

That entire deal was: A recruiting service (which most teams use.....just not that one anymore) provided one recruit with room and board and spending cash (less than $200) while he was on an evaluation visit to that service. The "player" became an Oregon recruit.

Basically one guy from a recruiting service was doing wrong, and people at Oregon was using that guy. Chip and Oregon should have been more careful with the recruiting services and people they used.
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Today four assistant college basketball coaches were arrested - all over recruiting services. This particular scheme was about money paid to coaches to direct players to NBA recruiting services.

Sure, football is different, but I believe there were also allegations about directing HS players to Louisville as part of the scheme - prime the pump approach. If people on the periphery - like recruiting services - can find a weakness they will exploit it because there's simply too much money to be made.

It seems like it's simply better in the long run to go with a clean coach - ask Bama and USC about voided wins.

Now with respect to Franklin, UT has been dragged through the mud once, and a lot of that came from the Nashville area. Nobody bothered to ask if it was a way of diverting attention from real problems at Vandy during Franklin's tenure. If you don't like being fried by lightning, it's probably best not to be a lightning rod.
 
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#59
He_Made_It said:
....and challenge Bama in the next couple seasons.

Overall records of all SEC teams (minus Vandy/Missouri) since the start of 2015 season.

Alabama : 32-2
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Georgia : 22-8
Tennessee : 21-9
Florida : 21-9
LSU : 20-8
aTm : 19-11
Auburn : 18-12
Miss St : 18-12
Ole Miss : 18-12
Arkansas : 16-13
Kentucky : 15-14
USCe : 12-17
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Check the SEC record, it's the only one that should count:clapping:
 
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MountainDooley said:
Hey bammer, we may talk bad about and make fun of Butch but that doesn't mean it's alright for you or any other teams fan to come on our site and do it. Butch still part of the Vol family at least for a few more days.
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Why would you assume that quoting Butch is making fun of him?
 
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AM64 said:
Today four assistant college basketball coaches were arrested - all over recruiting services. This particular scheme was about money paid to coaches to direct players to NBA recruiting services.

Sure, football is different, but I believe there were also allegations about directing HS players to Louisville as part of the scheme - prime the pump approach. If people on the periphery - like recruiting services - can find a weakness they will exploit it because there's simply too much money to be made.

It seems like it's simply better in the long run to go with a clean coach - ask Bama and USC about voided wins.

Now with respect to Franklin, UT has been dragged through the mud once, and a lot of that came from the Nashville area. Nobody bothered to ask if it was a way of diverting attention from real problems at Vandy during Franklin's tenure. If you don't like being fried by lightning, it's probably best not to be a lightning rod.
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Again the NCAA themselves stated on many occasions that Chip himself did nothing wrong, and did not even know that something had even happened.

The things going on today has nothing to do with recruiting services. That has to do with a sports apparel brand, college coaches, AAU coaches, athletes, ect.....but not recruiting services.

All teams use recruiting services.........however after today's news this practice could come to an end (not sure, but maybe). As to me it looks like programs will now want total control of the practice themselves........to make sure some shady guy isn't doing some shady stuff that they may not even have a clue about.
 
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#63
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Yeah funny stuff there.


We do have 17 injuries as of right now heading in to the GA game. Do you consider that putting us down more on Miss St level since we're like an NFL team compared to them in your words?
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I dunno, we gave up 600+ yards to Georgia Tech.

And around 200 rushing yards to Florida....one of the WORST rush offenses in FBS football.

We were relatively healthy in the Florida game and GT was the first game of the season...

Not so sure injuries are the issue.
 
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AM64 said:
Today four assistant college basketball coaches were arrested - all over recruiting services. This particular scheme was about money paid to coaches to direct players to NBA recruiting services.

Sure, football is different, but I believe there were also allegations about directing HS players to Louisville as part of the scheme - prime the pump approach. If people on the periphery - like recruiting services - can find a weakness they will exploit it because there's simply too much money to be made.

It seems like it's simply better in the long run to go with a clean coach - ask Bama and USC about voided wins.

Now with respect to Franklin, UT has been dragged through the mud once, and a lot of that came from the Nashville area. Nobody bothered to ask if it was a way of diverting attention from real problems at Vandy during Franklin's tenure. If you don't like being fried by lightning, it's probably best not to be a lightning rod.
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I had stated previously that Franklin would prob be my second choice; however that was merely thinking of the coaching, and not everything. I would have to agree, as others have stated. After the mess that happened at Vandy.......Tennessee should and would prob just stay away.

I agree Tennessee does not need even thought of some, about what happened at Vandy.
 
#66
#66
JoAllan said:
3 Pac titles with 1 North title
10-3
12-1
12-2
12-1
averaged 45+
gave up average 20-22
2010 coach of the year
2012 coach of the year
2 Rose Bowls, 1 BCS championship game, 1 Fiesta game

YEA.....I would take that and lose 2 scholarships over two years (one each). Also I would not even worry about probation, one person who Oregon had hired messed stuff up......and it was huge deal at all.

From CSN Philly News:

"As the NCAA made clear, Kelly committed none of the violations himself. His résumé may be smudged, but his hands are clean. Any athletic director who reads the infractions case will be able to go to his president and trustees and make a case for Kelly"

"Chip Kelly met the NCAA announcement that it had banned him from college football for 18 months with characteristic straightforwardness. He didn't make excuses. He didn't blame someone else, even as the NCAA made clear that Kelly had been unaware"

Also I have researched and found out what happened.

That entire deal was: A recruiting service (which most teams use.....just not that one anymore) provided one recruit with room and board and spending cash (less than $200) while he was on an evaluation visit to that service. The "player" became an Oregon recruit.

Basically one guy from a recruiting service was doing wrong, and people at Oregon was using that guy. Chip and Oregon should have been more careful with the recruiting services and people they used.
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I like CK and loved to watch his Oregon teams offense boat race teams game after game but, hasn't the defensive substitution rules changed since he last coached in college?
I wonder how that would impact his offensive coaching now?
 
#67
#67
JoAllan said:
Again the NCAA themselves stated on many occasions that Chip himself did nothing wrong, and did not even know that something had even happened.

The things going on today has nothing to do with recruiting services. That has to do with a sports apparel brand, college coaches, AAU coaches, athletes, ect.....but not recruiting services.

All teams use recruiting services.........however after today's news this practice could come to an end (not sure, but maybe). As to me it looks like programs will now want total control of the practice themselves........to make sure some shady guy isn't doing some shady stuff that they may not even have a clue about.
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In one article ESPN reported the news like you have it, another wasn't clear at all but did mention Adidas, and the local news made it sound like it had to do with recruiters themselves. I'll go with your version; but the problem still exists with money and "boosters" of any sort trying to influence players and coaches. In the end the guy at the top can't deflect all the blame by playing the "I didn't know" game.
 
#68
#68
Alto1 said:
I like CK and loved to watch his Oregon teams offense boat race teams game after game but, hasn't the defensive substitution rules changed since he last coached in college?
I wonder how that would impact his offensive coaching now?
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That would certainly change the hurry up style of his O somewhat; however his offenses were around the top 10 (over his 4 year span as HC) in plays per game, but right at the bottom in time of possession per game. Because his offense is based on scoring quickly, I would not assume that the substitution rule change (another Tennessee rule I like to call it) would affect Chip's offense much...........that is to say as long as it worked, and the O did score quickly (also in almost all of their losses they did not score nearly as quick as in their wins).

One positive is that Tennessee has been recruiting for the spread, but Chip would certainly want to come in and recruit more "athletes" as he has stated before "athletes" (and not just position players) helped his O to work.
 
#69
#69
AM64 said:
In one article ESPN reported the news like you have it, another wasn't clear at all but did mention Adidas, and the local news made it sound like it had to do with recruiters themselves. I'll go with your version; but the problem still exists with money and "boosters" of any sort trying to influence players and coaches. In the end the guy at the top can't deflect all the blame by playing the "I didn't know" game.
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Hey I agree with you. I also cannot condone the fact that there was a probation. I do however like the fact that Chip did not try to place blame anywhere but himself (even though the NCAA was saying it was not his fault).

Also many on here may not like/want Chip and that is certainly cool as everyone has a right to their opinion. I also don't have a crystal ball, and Chip could flame out here......I just have to go with what I know, have seen, have researched, and sometimes just a feeling....and I think he would be good.
 
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#72
allvol123 said:
Sadly, tennesse is about to get crushed.

Saturday will be a mauling.
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I guess some of you think if you keep repeating it like a mantra, your prayers will come true.

Glad the players are playing the game and not the concede before they play fans. Assuming of course they are fans of UT...
 
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#73
#73
VEKZY said:
Butch's SEC record in 2015 & 2016: 9-7
McElwain's: 13-3
Mason's: 5-11
Stoop's: 6-10
Mullen's: 7-9
Freeze's: 8-8
Bielema's: 8-8
Malzahn's: 7-9
Miles's: 6-4 then fired
Sumlin's: 8-8
Saban's: 15-1


Missouri, Georgia, and SCar excluded.
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Still looks to be 3rd best........
 
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A-RodWiLks said:
And 3 of those wins were last play miracles. Anyone defending this record needs to be put down.
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Not defending it per se, but if you drop the miracle wins you have to drop the miracle losses as well (other teams get them too). Of course you can't do that fairly unless you can define the miracles.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
I guess some of you think if you keep repeating it like a mantra, your prayers will come true.

Glad the players are playing the game and not the concede before they play fans. Assuming of course they are fans of UT...
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No, some of us have actually watched Georgia play this year, and aren't pretending that Mark Richt is still their head coach. If you are relying on recent history as a reason this game will be close, then you will be disappointed.
 
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