Tennessee vs The Maxims vs Oklahoma

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Tennessee vs The Maxims vs Oklahoma

For chrissakes people! GET A GRIP.

Let your humble scribe set the “wayback Machine” to last year's tussle with the Missouri Tigers:

“Playing an SEC schedule is a war of attrition. There will be injuries. Highly-touted players will prove to be not all that. Teenagers and young adults will do breathtakingly stupid things. A look at the Tennessee starting lineups from Utah State and Missouri reveals that twelve of the twenty-two starters from the first game are either now playing in a different position or are no longer there. This is why the elite teams in the SEC are two-deep (and in certain cases three-deep) at EVERY position with guys who could start most anywhere else. A glance at the 1999 Tennessee Media Guide reveals a roster crammed with players who would go on to the next level. No Vol fan can say that of the 2014 edition.

This is what it takes.

This is what Butch Jones is building to, but Tennessee is nowhere hear that level at present.”

I stand by that. Our 2015 Vols are better, undoubtedly. However, there are still many bricks to be laid before Tennessee is once again mentioned in the litany of elite college football programs. The Vols are getting there, but they haven't arrived yet and effusive pre-season hype and speculation can't change that.

The Vols didn't run out of time against the Sooners.

They ran out of people.

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Its primary opponent in the desperate battles of the early days of World War II in the Pacific was a legend. For virtually all of 1942 and much of 1943 the skies over China and the Pacific belonged to aircraft designer Horikoshi Jiro's elegantly lethal Mitsubishi A6M Type 0 fighter, more popularly known as the “Zero.”

By contrast the Grumman F4F Wildcat was portly, angular, slower and less maneuverable. Both planes first flew in their definitive forms in 1939. The A6M was a winner from the beginning while Grumman's fighter actually had lost a US Navy fly-off competition against the disastrous Brewter F2A Buffalo the previous year. Worse yet, the Wildcat had actually started out as a biplane design!

The F4F showed promise, though, and the Navy had its own doubts about Brewster as a manufacturer and as a design house (doubts borne out during the war) and told Grumman to keep working on the Wildcat. By 1940 the F4F-3 was accepted and was ordered into mass production for service on the Navy's carriers and with land-based Marine squadrons. The stubby little fighter was ready and in fleet service in the nick of time.

It wasn't the best, but it was what the Navy had on 7 December 1941.

Grumman was already working on the Wildcat's successor which would clear the skies of Zeros in 1943 and 1944, the legendary F6F Hellcat. However, Hellcats weren't there in the bloody skies over Coral Sea, Midway and the Solomon Islands. Wildcats were.

Navy and Marine pilots soon learned how to exploit the Wildcat's superior firepower and ruggedness to counter the Zero. In particular Lt. Jimmy Thach developed a tactic called “The Weave” in which a two-plane element would continually reverse into each other to clear their tails and losses dropped rapidly.


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F4F-3 Wildcat fighters of VF-5 in 1941. (US Navy)

The other advantage American pilots enjoyed was that after a combat tour they were sent back as instructors to teach other young pilots how to survive and win in aerial combat. Virtually no other WWII combatant did this.

No other WWII combatant was nearly as effective overall in aerial warfare as the Americans, either. Marine ace John Smith flew Wildcats from Guadalcanal. He was re-assigned to be an instructor. Naturally, Smith was upset and demanded to know when he could come back. The reply explained why Navy and Marine pilots scored lopsided victories in 1943 and 1944, “Not until you have trained one hundred John Smiths.”

When he came back, he flew a Corsair. (See last week.)

In 1941 the Japanese Navy boasted the best-trained fighter pilots in the world. By the end of 1943, virtually all of them were either dead or incapacitated by wounds. Their counterparts in the US Navy and Marine Corps were passing on combat skills to more American pilots.

One of the climactic naval battles of the Pacific War was the Battle of the Philippine Sea in June of 1944. Navy pilots in their Hellcats called it the “Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.” Japanese naval aviation was virtually eliminated.

The portly little Wildcat and its pilots made that victory possible during the desperate battles over Midway and the Solomons. They held the line until later and more powerful designs and their magnificently trained pilots could be fielded and win the final victory.

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Tennessee's more powerful weapons in 2015 are the talented freshmen and sophomores from HeadVol Butch Jones's last two recruiting classes. The problem is that they are still freshmen and sophomores. Last year they were more concerned about who to take to the Homecoming Dance than in how to operate against Division One talent. Add to that the fact that an Oklahoma or an Alabama has a host of upper-classmen who are all-Conference or better in their own right to show these youngsters the ropes, and that Tennessee, at this point, does not.

But they will.

Tennessee clearly just “ran out of gas” in the third canto Saturday night. This was no fault of Coach Jones's conditioning program, it was the x-factor of college football. Oklahoma was able to shuttle players in and out with no noticeable drop off in talent and keep their starters fresh for the latter stages of the game. The Vols simply don't have that capability yet.

But they will.

So take a “Chill Pill,” remove yourself from the railing of the Gay Street Bridge, and enjoy watching the rebuilding of Tennessee football into what it was and should be.

So how did the team do compared to the Maxims?

1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.

In order for a young but talented team like Tennessee to prevail against an opponent of Oklahoma's caliber, they needed to play nearly error-free football. They didn't. In his post-game presser, HeadVol Jones pointed out that Tennessee had far too many motion penalties and started too many drives in the hole.

2. Play for and make the breaks. When one comes your way … SCORE!

Yes they did, but the Vols simply didn't create enough of them. Nobody, not even the delusional fans who forecast an SEC-Championship year in 2015, thought 17 points was going to beat the Sooners.

3. If at first the game – or the breaks – go against you, don’t let up … PUT ON MORE STEAM!

Tennessee fought, scratched and “rassled” right up to the final gun. The critical factor was the fatigue factor that hit in the late third and in the fourth quarters. The loss of Maggitt and Kelly hurt.

4. Protect our kickers, our quarterback, our lead and our ballgame.

Dobbs got hit six times and sacked thrice. Not good enough. Not nearly.

5. Ball! Oskie! Cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle … THIS IS THE WINNING EDGE.

Did the Vols look better in '15 against the Sooners than in '14? Absolutely. However, Oklahoma, particularly in the later stages of the game, looked better as well.

Todd Kelly's interceptions were difference makers. One troubling defensive stat was that Jalen Reese-Maven had twenty-one total tackles with everyone else on defense in single figures. While one can appreciate his monster game, one also has to be concerned at the lack of a supporting cast.

Tennessee's high-flying run game from last week crashed to earth. Yes, Jalen Hurd had a hundred-yard game but Alvin Kamara was invisible and Dobbs finished with a dozen rushing yards net.

6. Press the kicking game. Here is where the breaks are made.

Trevor Daniel is turning into a nifty punter. Aaron Medley still needs work.

7. Carry the fight to Oklahoma and keep it there for sixty minutes.

Nobody can really fault Tennessee's overall effort, however, Oklahoma also fought the whole sixty minutes-plus. Good teams do that.

One more take away. I've mentioned on several occasions that teams have to learn how to win big games. Tennessee has not had that advantage since sometime around 2007. Saturday was another case in point. The only way to learn how to win big games is to win big games. The Vols are still in the learning phase. (sighs)

Already the snarks (who most likely never played a down of football in their lives) are oinking (and there's no other word for it) that so-and-so had achieved x by this point in their coaching career at y university. Yeah, whatever. I would assert that none of them walked into the absolute disaster Jones walked into in 2013.

John Majors, at a similar point and without meaningful scholarship restrictions still took three years to even get to a bowl, let alone win one. He went 5-6 the next year. Jones is still ahead of schedule.

All indications are that Coach Jones has the Vols on the right track but, like the Navy in 1942, has to fight his battles with what he has, not the sleeker and more powerful models he'll have in a couple of years.

Brick by Brick, Baby!

MAXOMG

Suggested Reading:

Lloyd Jones, U.S, Naval Fighters

John Lunstrom, The First Team: Pacific Naval Air Combat from Pearl Harbor to Midway

Barrett Tillman, The Wildcat in World War II

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1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.

In order for a young but talented team like Tennessee to prevail against an opponent of Oklahoma's caliber, they needed to play nearly error-free football. They didn't. In his post-game presser, HeadVol Jones pointed out that Tennessee had far too many motion penalties and started too many drives in the hole.

Tennessee had two false starts all game and had a average starting position somewhere near the 40 yard line.

2. Play for and make the breaks. When one comes your way … SCORE!

Yes they did, but the Vols simply didn't create enough of them. Nobody, not even the delusional fans who forecast an SEC-Championship year in 2015, thought 17 points was going to beat the Sooners.
We played to not lose almost all game. Two turnovers completely wasted by inept play calling.

3. If at first the game – or the breaks – go against you, don’t let up … PUT ON MORE STEAM!

Tennessee fought, scratched and “rassled” right up to the final gun. The critical factor was the fatigue factor that hit in the late third and in the fourth quarters. The loss of Maggitt and Kelly hurt.

We did the exact opposite. OU gave us every chance to put this game to bed all the way untill the last 5 min of regulation.

This disaster is all on Jones and Deboard. Our D held OU to 3 points untill the very end when 3 qtrs of three and outs finally caught up.
 
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"In Butch we trust;" and I think coaches have to learn to win also. I am just a Vol fan for 63 yrs but....The FG @ the 1? :hmm: Was not saying "we;re going to beat your a$$ tonight!"

I think Butch will be a great coach for TN, like he is a great "program builder" now. MHO

" Oh the growing pains of youth, are heartbreaking, " maturation."




Great work as usual OMG.:good!:
 
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It never ceases to amaze me now many people who CLAIM to be "knowledgeable" football fans are willing to give up two games into a twelve game season.

"The two most popular men on campus are the backup quarterback and the next head coach." - Doug Dickey
 
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I don't think you and I were watching the same game. Looked to me like the offense/coaching staff thought the 7th maxim was "Carry the fight to Oklahoma, and keep it there until you score 17 points."
 
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Message is spot on OMG. We are getting better but it's going to take time. And I get so sick of the Gus Malzhan/Auburn comparison. Thanks for the reality check but I bet the lines on the Gay Street Bridge only get bigger as the day goes on.
 
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Message is spot on OMG. We are getting better but it's going to take time. And I get so sick of the Gus Malzhan/Auburn comparison. Thanks for the reality check but I bet the lines on the Gay Street Bridge only get bigger as the day goes on.

Auburn outlasted Jacksonville State in essentially the same way Oklahoma won last night. JSU simply wasn't deep enough to go all four quarters against Auburn.

God, in college football, is on the side of the big battalions.
 
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As always OMG, your considerable writing talents are a welcome touch of sanity after reading so many maniacal posts this morning.
 
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As always OMG, your considerable writing talents are a welcome touch of sanity after reading so many maniacal posts this morning.

Swear to Heaven, my IQ dropped just reading some of the thread titles.

Part of me wants to get on those threads and do this:
 

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I mean good write up, and I appreciate the time and effort but it is quite simple. We didn't need to be 2-3 deep at every position, or have top 10 level talent to win the game last night. All we needed was to take advantage of the plethora of opportunities provided to us by Oklahoma's very poor play for 3+ quarters. They handed us the game and we refused to take it, and instead sat there and waited for them to change their mind. Say whatever you want about depth, talent, blah blah blah the game was won and we let it slip away. It would be easier to get over if we hadn't all seen the exact same thing happen last year. It is so hard for people because it just smacks of deja vu, like we learned nothing from the heartbreaking loss last year against Florida.. in Neyland.. while it was checker boarded..
 
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Swear to Heaven, my IQ dropped just reading some of the thread titles.

Part of me wants to get on those threads and do this:

Then do it.

Instead of circlerjerking in here about how CBJ "won the maxims" which he laughably didn't... defend him in those threads.

You know what? Actually, I'll just trash Jones against the Maxims here in your safe space.

1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.

Tennessee was well ahead in fewer mistakes. OU threw a pick just outside of our redzone and we didn't capitolize on it. OU had 2 turnovers, we had 1. With around 8:00 left in the game, OU was well ahead in penalties, penalty yards and turnovers (as ours was in OT).

This is a massive NOPE as Tennessee utterly fell apart halfway through the 4th.

2. Play for and make the breaks and when one comes your way - SCORE.
We got an INT at the 29 with about 10:00 left in the 4th with a 17-3 lead. We squandered it and didn't get any points. OU scored right after this.

NOPE.

3. If at first the game - or the breaks - go against you, don't let up... put on more steam.
The breaks went our way. In fact, almost everything was going our way and we let off the steam... not put more on.


4. Protect our kickers, our QB, our lead and our ball game.
Goes without saying. NOPE.


5. Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
Yes for the first 3.5 quarters. Absolutely massive NOPE in the final 8:00 or regulation and OT.

6. Press the kicking game. Here is where the breaks are made.
Punting was the one good thing. Medley blew a good shot. Jones kicked from the 1" line instead of going for a TD so, no, he perhaps shouldn't have gone for this maxim.

7. Carry the fight to our opponent and keep it there for 60 minutes.

We did... for ~50:00 then collapsed. We were great against the maxims in the first half and awful against them offensively in the entire 2nd. Defensively we were great until they were worn out due to aforementioned offensive woes.

So Jones gets some 1/2 marks on some maxims but ultimately we undid ourselves.

This was the biggest lead given up at home in UT history and 2nd biggest lead given up overall. To think you're in here using Neyland's maxims to even try to defend him is pathetic.

You want a military analogy? You're defending Lloyd Frendenhall. "But it's the Germans! It's North Africa! Equipment! Inexperience! Weather! Inexperience! Germans! Tigers!"
 
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Then do it.

Instead of circlerjerking in here about how CBJ "won the maxims" which he laughably didn't... defend him in those threads.

You know what? Actually, I'll just trash Jones against the Maxims here in your safe space.

1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.

Tennessee was well ahead in fewer mistakes. OU threw a pick just outside of our redzone and we didn't capitolize on it. OU had 2 turnovers, we had 1. With around 8:00 left in the game, OU was well ahead in penalties, penalty yards and turnovers (as ours was in OT).

This is a massive NOPE as Tennessee utterly fell apart halfway through the 4th.

2. Play for and make the breaks and when one comes your way - SCORE.
We got an INT at the 29 with about 10:00 left in the 4th with a 17-3 lead. We squandered it and didn't get any points. OU scored right after this.

NOPE.

3. If at first the game - or the breaks - go against you, don't let up... put on more steam.
The breaks went our way. In fact, almost everything was going our way and we let off the steam... not put more on.


4. Protect our kickers, our QB, our lead and our ball game.
Goes without saying. NOPE.


5. Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
Yes for the first 3.5 quarters. Absolutely massive NOPE in the final 8:00 or regulation and OT.

6. Press the kicking game. Here is where the breaks are made.
Punting was the one good thing. Medley blew a good shot. Jones kicked from the 1" line instead of going for a TD so, no, he perhaps shouldn't have gone for this maxim.

7. Carry the fight to our opponent and keep it there for 60 minutes.

We did... for ~50:00 then collapsed. We were great against the maxims in the first half and awful against them offensively in the entire 2nd. Defensively we were great until they were worn out due to aforementioned offensive woes.

So Jones gets some 1/2 marks on some maxims but ultimately we undid ourselves.

This was the biggest lead given up at home in UT history and 2nd biggest lead given up overall. To think you're in here using Neyland's maxims to even try to defend him is pathetic.

You want a military analogy? You're defending Lloyd Frendenhall. "But it's the Germans! It's North Africa! Equipment! Inexperience! Weather! Inexperience! Germans! Tigers!"

You want a military analogy? Wouldn't it be better for many of you who just aren't packin' the gear to handle the reality of rebuilding a team to SEC competition to follow another team for awhile. Negative stress can obviously take its toll upon the psyche, perhaps you should temporarily reconsider your team allegiance?:)
 
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You want a military analogy? Wouldn't it be better for many of you who just aren't packin' the gear to handle the reality of rebuilding a team to SEC competition to follow another team for awhile. Negative stress can obviously take its toll upon the psyche, perhaps you should temporarily reconsider your team allegiance?:)

PTSD from being a Vols fan. Lol
 
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Excellent as always and you also said something inadvertently that explains a lot of the frustrations expressed on the forum:

Lt Thatch adapted new tactics called the Weave! They took advantage of what they had while waiting for the bigger and better models that were on the way. Butch has not adapted and changed tactics. He has been stubborn and stayed the course and we lose the big games. If the U.S. Air Force and Marine pilots had been as stubborn the war could have turned out differently.

"Adapt and overcome" would be a good motto for Jones to borrow from the Marine Recon
 
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thank you sir! I tried to say it earlier....nowhere near as eloquent as you have written but alas...the masses only see what they want to see.
 
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PTSD from being a Vols fan. Lol

You know, I think you may be on to something there. I've been around so long and seen so much Tennessee football: good, bad and downright ugly, that I tend to just step over it and drive on.

The Tennessee fanbase (particularly the youngsters that make up the majority of posters here) have never seen the mountain, let alone the mountain top. Like a spooked herd, they think every setback is a portent of disaster and slam the panic button. When I consider them, I think of Wally Cox's character in "The Bedford Incident."

(Spoiler: at a crucial moment in battle against a submarine enemy, the Captain orders "Do not fire one until I say so!" Cox's character responds. "One fired, SIR!" Disaster ensues.)

I started with Dickey and the early (good) years of Battle and thence was there when Johnny literally came marching home. Maybe it was the Majors era that inoculated me. Johnny's squads one Saturday would look like they could take on Bradshaw and the Steelers or Staubach and the Cowboys and the next Saturday you'd scratch your head wondering if they'd ever played a down together.

The thing was that, particularly during the early Majors era, improvement was gradual and only noticeable over the course of a season or even seasons. Over his first five seasons (1977-81) his aggregate was 39-27-1, hardly overwhelming. Indeed, after the stirring '82 win over Bama, the Vols dropped a 31-21 embarrassment vs Georgia Tech and ended up 6-5-1 finishing with a loss to Iowa in the Peach Bowl.

I DO think Jones is Tennessee's best bet to return to storied greatness, IF AND ONLY IF our shell-shocked fan base will realize that progress in these circumstances cannot be measured or judged by a single game.

There will be disappointments and there will be thrilling wins. I fully expect these Vols to rise up on their hind legs and beat the crap out of someone they are not supposed to this year, but I'm not going to panic if they don't.

To be truthful I did not expect Tennessee to win Saturday. I was delighted they hung in as long as they did. They are learning and there is a price for that learning. They have to unlearn everything from the collective memory of the last ten seasons or so and rediscover that they can consistently win big games.

They just aren't there yet.

But they will be.
 
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Bless you, OMG.

Bless you.

Big Pharma would pay billions to have a drug that lowered blood pressure like your write up.

Thank you for the small island of sanity in a sea of absolutely insanity.
 
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