Tennessee Vacancy - Who Wants It?

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BigZiti09 said:
It does seem that way. But I wonder how it will feel when/if Missouri hires him.

Everyone will talk about what a great hire it is.
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There is a reason Universities continue to pass on Howland and it probably isn't just an SI article.
 
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I am pretty sure not one coach we are talking to is concerned about our fan base. In fact I bet they all regard it as a major plus. What they are concerned about is (besides what they get paid of course) will they get the proper backing from an administration that has continually flubbed it with basketball for decades.
 
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jjay2518 said:
That's why it made our fanbase look so dumb. Basketball is a postseason sport, and UT fans collectively showed how ignorant they are by putting out this petition when we were still alive for the tournament. It would have still been a bad idea after the season was over assuming we flamed out and didn't make the tourney, but it was just flat out embaressing with so much left on the table.
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I agree with your general sentiment, but for those who believe that the petition "came into existence late in the game,...it seems ignorance is equal opportunity... and chooses no sides - even between "us" who are all on the same team.

FYI: the "petition" was "outed" by the media during the tournament. The petition had existed and was signed by many long before we made the sw16. I became aware of it (already in circulation) after the second aTm loss... it seemed inevitable that our (then) coach would be fired (had the petition not existed, the afformentioned is very likely how it would've played out), and it also was obvious that "he who shall not be fawned over" would be hired ASAP by a team as soon as the tournament was over.

Did the petition hurt us? Well, without it, it is quite likely that:
1) the team does not make the big dance, so
2) Cuonzo stays in hot water - is not a hot commodity, and gets no offers.
3) UT has no desire to pay the buyout, and Cuonzo has no good exit, so
4) We would've faired ok in the NIT and both UT and Cuonzo would wake up again next year ... in a house neither of them wanted to be in. I will say it again.. in every post. For all I can tell, Coach Martin is a Grrrreat guy and a good coach. I wish him the best.

Petition or not....the media is a shark. They will look for blood - draw it if necessary, and then swarm to the dollars. No harm, no fowl... that's just the way it is.
 
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Anyway you slice it the timing of that petition was very bad, should have waited 'til the season was over. On the media front this is a slow news period and stories like this are prime fodder. So what have we learned from this self inflicted wound? One thing for sure, the country knows expectations are high at Tennessee. :yes:
 
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RiverVol said:
I agree with your general sentiment, but for those who believe that the petition "came into existence late in the game,...it seems ignorance is equal opportunity... and chooses no sides - even between "us" who are all on the same team.

FYI: the "petition" was "outed" by the media during the tournament. The petition had existed and was signed by many long before we made the sw16. I became aware of it (already in circulation) after the second aTm loss... it seemed inevitable that our (then) coach would be fired (had the petition not existed, the afformentioned is very likely how it would've played out), and it also was obvious that "he who shall not be fawned over" would be hired ASAP by a team as soon as the tournament was over.

Did the petition hurt us? Well, without it, it is quite likely that:
1) the team does not make the big dance, so
2) Cuonzo stays in hot water - is not a hot commodity, and gets no offers.
3) UT has no desire to pay the buyout, and Cuonzo has no good exit, so
4) We would've faired ok in the NIT and both UT and Cuonzo would wake up again next year ... in a house neither of them wanted to be in. I will say it again.. in every post. For all I can tell, Coach Martin is a Grrrreat guy and a good coach. I wish him the best.

Petition or not....the media is a shark. They will look for blood - draw it if necessary, and then swarm to the dollars. No harm, no fowl... that's just the way it is.
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Why don't we just stop at #1. Do you honestly think the petition was the more motivation for guys like Stokes, Maymon, MacRae, and Barton than say, ending their NCAA careers in the N.I.T. again. Correlation does not = causation my friend.
 
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Those that are now telling us that we won't be able to hire a coach because of a petition are the same bunch of goobers who 3 years ago were telling us we wouldn't have any trouble hiring a top tier coach if Pearl was fired.

How did that work out for you? I expect that they are as wrong now as they were then.
 
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RiverVol said:
I agree with your general sentiment, but for those who believe that the petition "came into existence late in the game,...it seems ignorance is equal opportunity... and chooses no sides - even between "us" who are all on the same team.

FYI: the "petition" was "outed" by the media during the tournament. The petition had existed and was signed by many long before we made the sw16. I became aware of it (already in circulation) after the second aTm loss... it seemed inevitable that our (then) coach would be fired (had the petition not existed, the afformentioned is very likely how it would've played out), and it also was obvious that "he who shall not be fawned over" would be hired ASAP by a team as soon as the tournament was over.

Did the petition hurt us? Well, without it, it is quite likely that:
1) the team does not make the big dance, so
2) Cuonzo stays in hot water - is not a hot commodity, and gets no offers.
3) UT has no desire to pay the buyout, and Cuonzo has no good exit, so
4) We would've faired ok in the NIT and both UT and Cuonzo would wake up again next year ... in a house neither of them wanted to be in. I will say it again.. in every post. For all I can tell, Coach Martin is a Grrrreat guy and a good coach. I wish him the best.

Petition or not....the media is a shark. They will look for blood - draw it if necessary, and then swarm to the dollars. No harm, no fowl... that's just the way it is.
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From what I gathered martin sat down with Hart knowing full well he had the cal deal in hand. Hart was playing against a stacked deck. I have't read anything about that angle.
 
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jjay2518 said:
That's why it made our fanbase look so dumb. Basketball is a postseason sport, and UT fans collectively showed how ignorant they are by putting out this petition when we were still alive for the tournament. It would have still been a bad idea after the season was over assuming we flamed out and didn't make the tourney, but it was just flat out embaressing with so much left on the table.
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It was a bad idea period, I agree. But the national media and folks on here act like we knowingly ran off a "SW16 caliber" coach. We were .500 in a terribly weak SEC and had come off our 2nd loss to a sub RPI 100 A&M team. At that point not a single person in the fanbase or national media saw a SW16 run coming. Our noses were barely above water.

As they've been saying on Nashville sports radio all week, some of the same media blasting our fanbase about how disgraceful and subliminally racist we are, were the same media questioning how CCM and UT were sitting at .500 in the SEC with our level of talent. Everyone wants to be on the side that's "right" and usually that's a position that's taking after the fact.
 
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patrick said:
point is schools other than Marquette had some level of interest in Howland.
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Every school with an opening should have some level of interest in Howland. It appears to only take a phone call or two to kill the interest. The NCAA was hot on the trail when he left UCLA. They will pick up the scent again as soon as he remerges.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
It was a bad idea period, I agree. But the national media and folks on here act like we knowingly ran off a "SW16 caliber" coach. We were .500 in a terribly weak SEC and had come off our 2nd loss to a sub RPI 100 A&M team. At that point not a single person in the fanbase or national media saw a SW16 run coming. Our noses were barely above water.

As they've been saying on Nashville sports radio all week, some of the same media blasting our fanbase about how disgraceful and subliminally racist we are, were the same media questioning how CCM and UT were sitting at .500 in the SEC with our level of talent. Everyone wants to be on the side that's "right" and usually that's a position that's taking after the fact.
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Obviously things looked pretty bad when it came out. I would think that it's pretty obvious not to count a team out halfway through the season in basketball though. This isn't football. We started out well below where we should have, but technically were still in the national championship hunt. Our fanbase doesn't know how to wait and see. We bring a football mentality to a sport that's entirely postseason driven.
 
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rickyb712 said:
NO ONE. We are the worst fans in the world. You have a coach who took the job after your savior got caught doing wrong by the NCAA and in his 3rd year took us to sweet 16 but no, some butt wipe followed by 36000 followers didnt think he was doing good enough job
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He wasn't...You will those results next season....NEXT!
 
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RiverVol said:
I agree with your general sentiment, but for those who believe that the petition "came into existence late in the game,...it seems ignorance is equal opportunity... and chooses no sides - even between "us" who are all on the same team.

FYI: the "petition" was "outed" by the media during the tournament. The petition had existed and was signed by many long before we made the sw16. I became aware of it (already in circulation) after the second aTm loss... it seemed inevitable that our (then) coach would be fired (had the petition not existed, the afformentioned is very likely how it would've played out), and it also was obvious that "he who shall not be fawned over" would be hired ASAP by a team as soon as the tournament was over.

Did the petition hurt us? Well, without it, it is quite likely that:
1) the team does not make the big dance, so
2) Cuonzo stays in hot water - is not a hot commodity, and gets no offers.
3) UT has no desire to pay the buyout, and Cuonzo has no good exit, so
4) We would've faired ok in the NIT and both UT and Cuonzo would wake up again next year ... in a house neither of them wanted to be in. I will say it again.. in every post. For all I can tell, Coach Martin is a Grrrreat guy and a good coach. I wish him the best.

Petition or not....the media is a shark. They will look for blood - draw it if necessary, and then swarm to the dollars. No harm, no fowl... that's just the way it is.
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Stop trying to educate the masses with facts and true circumstances. There are too many on here that can't handle the truth.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Why don't we just stop at #1. Do you honestly think the petition was the more motivation for guys like Stokes, Maymon, MacRae, and Barton than say, ending their NCAA careers in the N.I.T. again. Correlation does not = causation my friend.
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...actually yeah I think it might have been! Martin said himself it awoke a sleeping bear.

though I'm not sure why the bear was asleep. The reasons you listed SHOULD have been ample motivation for a team.
 
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#46
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BigZiti09 said:
Well why don't we start counting high schools that want him as well?
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come on bz - surely you can see that there is a cloud around Howland - right or wrong it is there. Howland was aching for the Marquette job and they went with an asst coach.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Barely making the tournament every 3 years combined with NIT first round losses....clearly you and I have different standards.
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I like his standards better than yours. Ha averaged over 20 wins a season, with to the sweet sixteen, and achieved a very high academic level with his team. We lost a very good coach who was learning how to become an outstanding coach.With 36,00 fans signing the PETITION, who needs Kentucky, Florida, and Vandy as our basketball enemies? We already have 36,000 enemies of our own.
 
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crparker21 said:
All you guys on the petition subject are missing it. Zo DID NOT like knoxville period. Well before the petition came out people close to the program knew this. It was a perfect storm for him. The team went on a run and the petition was out, he had the perfect story. He was leaving no matter what, this year or next year.
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It is you guys who are on the wrong boat. Time to toss a few overboard.
 
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