Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

[governmentmule]

During my time at Tennessee I was a hostess and my daughter is currently a hostess at MS State and I will assure you I nor she has done anything against any rule. I would go as far as to say most do not. I do know that every organization, every business, every family, every whatever has those who do not follow the rules and it makes life hard on everyone. Please everyone let this play out before any judgments are made. I cannot say it didn't happen......I cannot say it did....I was not there. It just surprises me they are picking at the small details off the field and not addressing the bigger issues especially on the field. Case in point....bad calls determining outcome of the games.....players trying to physcially injury another player.........I personally think they need to be looking at what happens on the field and when they get the game following the rules then look at the other things. Okay I feel better now that I have vented.

oh my how can you live with the shame,since you were a Vol hostess?I can't imagine the pain you are in now,since your daughter is at MS State lol: j/k welcome to the board

 

[oUTKickedCoverage]

The NCAA really needs to be more transparent, it almost feels like a shadow government is running college athletics.

 

[governmentmule]

IIRC wasn't the hostess that went to the game was like 25 miles from her home? That would make more sense than driving that far for just 1 game

 

[utmba93]

The NCAA really needs to be more transparent, it almost feels like a shadow government is running college athletics.

Absolutely. They're worse than the IRS.

They write some garbled set of rules subject to multiple interpretations and then simply hammer whoever they choose while turning a blind eye to equally offensive behaviors from other institutions.

It's hard to believe they can exist and can continue to function in this manner.

There seems to be absolutely no accountability over them. I guess that's why Congress has decided to step in. Yet, they continue with their blindness to reality.

 

[Flipdaddy]

If we don't have coaches being the bag men...ronny contrell...ivy williams...then im not concerned with this crap with the hostesses with the mostesses. If this is a rival team starting this then they are throwing stones in glass houses. I don't think this should effect the coaching staff and or university unless they could prove that coaches are incouraging sex for recruitment or any thing like that and YOU know they are not that stupid. We are making such a quick impact in the SEC that it is making other schools nervous.

 

[Flipdaddy]

Oh I forgot...GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[utmba93]

If we don't have coaches being the bag men...ronny contrell...ivy williams...then im not concerned with this crap with the hostesses with the mostesses. If this is a rival team starting this then they are throwing stones in glass houses. I don't think this should effect the coaching staff and or university unless they could prove that coaches are incouraging sex for recruitment or any thing like that and YOU know they are not that stupid. We are making such a quick impact in the SEC that it is making other schools nervous.

That's basically the gist of it, but you'd like to have a governing institution that is smart enough to figure that out. Instead, these NCAA guys have their own programs to support.

 

[golfin_blondie]

Thanks for the welcome. I have posted on rivals, scout and GVX trying to reach out here. As far as my daughter at MS State.....OMG we will not talk about that one.....she has a mind of her own God Bless her......lol

 

[phi0129]

I think a lot of you are failing to understand that the NCAA is fast becoming another general representation of the horrifying direction our country is moving in. Large, powerful organizations with few, if any, true competitors have realized that they can do whatever they want without any accountability whatsoever or any repercussions from customers. The NCAA is only concerned with pursuing their own interests and making as much coin as they can. We will never get a playoff because the fans will never have enough leverage to force them to do anything about it. And so it is with this ridiculous saga. What gets me is how the NCAA, coupled with some of the large media conglomerates, can create a bogus investigation without a shred of proof and go around spreading it like wild fire. What about the LSU situation? What about Auburn and the coaches not being able to travel? Or what about USC and all the shocking information that has come out regarding the Bush era? This story is getting more exposure than any of those! After seeing such a public display of hatred for our school and their "we're going to get you" mentality, I'm honestly scared of what might happen on down the road. What happens when they fabricate some evidence and put the hammer down? Because we all know that none of us could do a damn thing about it, no matter how ridiculous and far fetched.

 

[Dustin4Vols]

so what happens to us? we get another slap in the wrist or worst?

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

53000+ views in 24 hours. is that a record?

 

[VOL_FAN_in KY]

53000+ views in 24 hours. is that a record?

Hard to believe it is not

 

[showdogvol]

Agreed on both points. The severity of the transgression would be minimal, even if we did know.

While this might get scrutiny, this is a new staff and would ever live up to inst control type problems.

IMO, the scrutiny has been there since day one with this staff. Same with Saban and Carroll.

Agreed

 

[MD1MD11]

Big time college football is a lot like eating a hotdog. You enjoy the hell out of it as long as you don't know what goes into making the finished product.

 

[KB5252]

I heard a listener call into a show on the drive home from work and he mentioned that the girls who went to the game and held up the sign left in the Orange Pride helicopter, said this was on video and he had seen it. I've looked for confirmation but was unable to find anything, surprising huh?

 

[utvolpj]

I heard a listener call into a show on the drive home from work and he mentioned that the girls who went to the game and held up the sign left in the Orange Pride helicopter, said this was on video and he had seen it. I've looked for confirmation but was unable to find anything, surprising huh?

Now the Orange Pride has their own helicopter? Amazing

 

[MystifyingVol]

I heard a listener call into a show on the drive home from work and he mentioned that the girls who went to the game and held up the sign left in the Orange Pride helicopter, said this was on video and he had seen it. I've looked for confirmation but was unable to find anything, surprising huh?

If there is video of this, I'll eat my hat.
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[T.G.]

At least it's not the Big Orange Army with the helicopter. I can just imagine an Orange Blackhawk armed with t-shirt cannons blasting the student section of a highschool stadium.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Looks like this may end up not being as bad as originally thought, but the NCAA snooping around is something that I would like them not ever to do. The biggest reason that we have been focused on IMO is the fact that every little thing we have done has been so publicized. All the secondary violations, Lane quoting the rule book wrong, the robbery fiasco, and other things is why they are doing what they are doing. The hostess thing simply gave them a reason to start, and it started sometime back. I know Lane doesn't care what is said in the media and what not, but sometimes it's best to let your on the field success talk for you and other things will take care of themselves. Lane still has a lot to learn, IMO.

 

[coffeevol]

Looks like this may end up not being as bad as originally thought, but the NCAA snooping around is something that I would like them not ever to do. The biggest reason that we have been focused on IMO is the fact that every little thing we have done has been so publicized. All the secondary violations, Lane quoting the rule book wrong, the robbery fiasco, and other things is why they are doing what they are doing. The hostess thing simply gave them a reason to start, and it started sometime back. I know Lane doesn't care what is said in the media and what not, but sometimes it's best to let your on the field success talk for you and other things will take care of themselves. Lane still has a lot to learn, IMO.

I agree, I was for the coaching change but I do not believe the "any news is good news" crowd. We have had the NCAA sniffing around for a while now. The B. Brown story first, the players getting in trouble, all the smack talk before we actually win anything, and now this. It may turn out to be nothing and I hope it does. Maybe I was ignorant before the Kiffin Era but it seems we have had lots of Neg. attention in the past year. There have been many awesome positives too but maybe Lane should go into hiding and keep quiet for a little while or until this blows over.

 

[Remy]

Gone are the days of The Godfather owning journalists to print whatever it is they need spun out toward the masses. The real scandal will come to light of day as the NYTimes journalist is exposed, the person associated with the institution who collaborated with him becomes exposed, and the NCAA leaker is exposed. The writing that has occurred by the NYTimes has libeled, not only one particular "hostess" but all hostesses. Were I the father of any of these young ladies, my attorney would have a suit filed against the NYTimes, the NCAA, and anyone associated with bringing the libel of my daughter forward. All the tears and snot that would ensue from Manhattan would be of no help to them until the NCAA leaker was known and that individual and organization was on the losing end of a 9 figure lawsuit. It's time somebody stood up for these young ladies, they have been seriously libeled and I ask their fathers to do it immediately.

 

[Volnbeers]

If i'm a parent of any of these kids, i'm seeking legal advice on any and everything i can sue for regarding the matter.

 

[DaddyChad]

Gone are the days of The Godfather owning journalists to print whatever it is they need spun out toward the masses. The real scandal will come to light of day as the NYTimes journalist is exposed, the person associated with the institution who collaborated with him becomes exposed, and the NCAA leaker is exposed. The writing that has occurred by the NYTimes has libeled, not only one particular "hostess" but all hostesses. Were I the father of any of these young ladies, my attorney would have a suit filed against the NYTimes, the NCAA, and anyone associated with bringing the libel of my daughter forward. All the tears and snot that would ensue from Manhattan would be of no help to them until the NCAA leaker was known and that individual and organization was on the losing end of a 9 figure lawsuit. It's time somebody stood up for these young ladies, they have been seriously libeled and I ask their fathers to do it immediately.

If only that would happen but it will not play out that way. At most we get out clean and still have damage done to our recruiting efforts this year. People are not interested in getting things right anymore in the news. Even if the NCAA found out Meyer or another coach embellished this whole story and got some hack to write about, nothing will ever come of it.

 

[bigvol77]

its a inquiry not a investigatin per sports animal,kns
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[Tidal Surge]

Article by Auburn beat reporter:

Melick: Maybe Lane Kiffin has it all figured out (LINK)

By Ray Melick -- The Birmingham News
December 10, 2009, 5:34AM

Lane Kiffin, during a friendly pre-game moment
with Auburn's Gene Chizik, is in hot water again.
Or is he? (The Birmingham News / Hal Yeager)


Here's what I can't figure out about Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin:

Is he really so dumb he can't figure out how to get away with the same stuff that everyone else is doing? Or is he just so arrogant he figures everyone else is doing it, so what's the point in trying to keep it a secret?

The latest Kiffin-capade comes courtesy of The New York Times, which despite being in New York understands nothing sells like the Southeastern Conference, even in New York City.

The Times reported and the University of Tennessee Wednesday confirmed that the NCAA was looking into possible misuse of pretty Tennessee coeds -- called "hostesses" -- in the recruiting of big ugly football players.

Of course, every school in the country that is remotely serious about recruiting uses pretty "hostesses" to show recruits around campus. Alabama has them, Auburn has them, Southern Cal and UCLA have them.

After all, we're dealing with 18- and 19-year-old boys here. As running back Marcus Lattimore, one of the recruits quoted in the article, said, "You don't want to go to a college where they (the girls) ain't pretty."

The alleged violation is that, in what has become typical Kiffin fashion, Tennessee may have taken it too far. Where everyone else understands hostesses are to be restricted to on-campus entertainment, Tennessee is under investigation for possibly sending its hostesses on the road. In one case, the Times alleges, Tennessee hostesses traveled 200 miles to be at a game where three Tennessee recruits were playing, making their presence known by holding up signs that read, "Come to Tennessee."

The bigger picture, though, is that when you look at almost everything Kiffin has been accused of doing, you get the sense that it's not so much that other coaches aren't doing or at least thinking the same things; the difference is that Kiffin seems to do or say them with such aplomb.

When Kiffin appeared on ESPN's "GameDay" before the SEC Championship Game as that panel's "guest picker," almost immediately I heard from coaches who said it was a flagrant violation of American Football Coaches' Association Code of Ethics.

Apparently it is OK to be a guest analyst and talk about the relative strengths and weaknesses of teams, but it's not considered appropriate to actually come out and pick winners and losers.

AFCA Executive Director Grant Teaff was in New York and unable to return my inquiry into the specifics of the Code of Ethics.

But the AFCA's code does say coaches are to, among other things, "cultivate the confidence and respect of rival coaches, to look upon them as colleagues and friends and to treat them and talk to them as such; to use one's influence to counteract unfounded rumors of questionable practices or violations of rules by opponents; to discourage illegitimate recruiting, betting on the games and all other practices tending to commercialize the players ..."

Maybe such a code seems arcane and has lost its meaning in today's ultra-competitive world of college coaching.

Kind of like secondary violations don't seem to mean much to the NCAA.

If that's the case, then give Kiffin credit for ending the hypocrisy.

Lane Kiffin, smarter than everyone else? Now that's a scary thought.